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2017/12/26 12:34:09 (permalink)
Why have video card prices gone up so much ?
 
Is it because of Bitcoin ? I am talking about for the Geforce 1080 ti.
 
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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2017/12/26 12:40:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ng4ever2 2017/12/26 12:42:04
Yeah, that and you aren't shopping around for the best price? Amazon has third party sellers and Amazon can't control what price they charge.
 
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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2017/12/26 12:41:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ng4ever2 2017/12/26 12:42:06
Video cards ave gone up for several reasons:
 
1: Memory prices (GDDR) have shot upwards
2: Demand due to Cryptomining

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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2017/12/26 12:42:57 (permalink)
These reasons are all true! Thanks guys!
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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2017/12/26 12:43:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ng4ever2 2017/12/26 12:43:37
Buy directly from the source when possible, like evga or Nvidia. Bitcoin scalpers doesn’t my need the funds. If it is used* and priced at or above msrp, or new and not from a certified reseller, don’t buy it. It’s not worth the hassle or additional cost when you can find them for the msrp or below.
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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2017/12/26 13:50:28 (permalink)
I hope this isn't the new normal for video card prices. Crypto miners resulting in GPU's going above MSRP is atrocious.
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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2017/12/26 13:58:04 (permalink)
One would think that with a large market mining they will eventually will make cards just for thst and then they will leave are gaming cards alone.

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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2017/12/26 18:10:12 (permalink)
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One would think that with a large market mining they will eventually will make cards just for thst and then they will leave are gaming cards alone.

They want Gamer Versions in case their market crashes and they sell them on the open market to gamers. If they buy mining only editions(which exist by the way) they lose out on potential revenue from resale of GFX cards. Also mining cards have terrible warranties and come with limited options.
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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2017/12/26 20:15:24 (permalink)
Mining versions are only available in Asia AFAIK due to the limited warranties that the mfg's put on the cards that laws in non Asian countries don't allow due to consumer protections.  But yes, people are STILL buying GPU's by the car load.  Apparently cards shot up again this weekend.

 

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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2017/12/27 03:05:56 (permalink)
The GTX 1080 ti does NOT have much demand from cryptocoin miners, nor has the pricing gone up much on it at ALL this year. Any price rise would be due to the rise in MEMORY pricing.
The GTX 1070 ti is fairly popular due to it having the highest efficiency on some specific coins (specifically including ZEC).
The GTX 1070 is fairly popular due to it being a fairly-good ETH mining and general all-around mining effectiveness, but it's popularity dropped a LOT when AMD card pricing dropped back down OUT of the same range killing the ETH demand for 1070 cards.
The GTX 1060 is popular due to it being a fairly-good ETH mining card at a "competes with AMD on price per hash" level, as long as AMD card pricing stays elevated much at all.
The GTX 1080 isn't generally popular due to being less efficient and cost effective overall than most mining options.
 
 For perspective - there are more GPUs mining ETH than ALL OTHER CRYPTOCOINS COMBINED - with ZEC being in second at about a THIRD as many cards (ZEC is a lot friendlier to NVidia mining than ETH is).
 Last time I ran my "estimated GPUs in use" figures, it came out to MORE THAN 3 million GPUs mining ETH (probably closer to 4 million by now) with ZEC at PERHAPS 1 million GPUs and nothing else even close to 500K.
 
 ETH is also predominantly AMD, as AMD cards offer more hash/$ when not MASSIVELY GOUGE PRICED than anything NVidia except PERHAPS the 1060.
 
 Some mining version cards ARE in fact available (some of the time at least) in the US - Sapphire in specific sells ALL of it's "mining-specific" cards through Newegg, among other sources.
 The down side to them is they have a limited resale market if mining collapses again (most have no video connector at ALL, a few have a DVI connector only) - they're viable for 2'nd card in a SLI / Crossfire / DirectX 12 / Vulcan setup, but lack of commonly-used video connectors limits their resale to non-miners a LOT.
 Also, mining-specific cards have ALSO been in short supply - often they have been MORE OFTEN sold out than non-mining cards where they ARE available.
 

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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2017/12/31 18:43:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ng4ever2 2017/12/31 18:43:53
buy direct from EVGA. there prices are currently lower then  amazon or newegg.
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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/01 15:31:17 (permalink)
Once you factor in EVGA shipping costs, Newegg is USUALLY cheaper.
Academic point right now though, as prices went through the roof across the board in the last 48 hours - AMD high-end Polaris cards are now BACK into 1070 territory for the first time in months, 1070 pushed into 1070 ti territory and starting to threaten 1080 pricing, and availability across the board VERY LOW on the NVidia side.
 
 I'm starting to wonder if Volta isn't far off at all, and if Nvidia has started ramping down high-end Pascal GPU production to start up high-end Volta production - only to get hit with an unexpected demand spike right at the worst possible time of year (post-Christmas when stocks tend to be low ANYWAY).
 
 
 It's .... interesting .... to note how many models EVGA is out of stock on.

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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/01 21:21:42 (permalink)
Don't forget that Christmas just passed. It's probably not good to speculate about future supply and prices based on this little slice in time. Supply plummets this time of year and takes a while to build back up after Christmas vacations are over.
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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/02 11:04:47 (permalink)
If you haven't followed any blogs like Jayz2Cents, right now a Volta card which is horrible at gaming cost's $2500 and his last advice was if you NEED it now buy it now. Otherwise he says most new GPU's show up at Computex in April or May.

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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/02 17:08:44 (permalink)
I'm sure Christmas is a factor - just not sure how BIG a factor it is this year.
I don't remember retailers talking about having a "really good" Christmas season this year, and the shortages usually happen during the week BEFORE 'cause that's when the last of the sales for the season happen.
 
 April or May would be another likely timeframe for Volta consumer card introduction - NVidia has launched new series in that timeframe before.
 
 The Volta card that "Jayz2Cents" is talking about would probably be the Titan V - which is $3000, seems to actually be a very good gaming card, but NOT worth the crazy cost and not really aimed at gamers (though NVidia talks about it's prowness in some of their postings).
 The Titan V isn't new news any more, it's been for sale for a bit now.
 

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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/08 07:42:51 (permalink)
Wow talk about video card prices being insane again!
 
Should of had enough time to resupply by now I would think.
 
 
 
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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/08 20:50:25 (permalink)
I was all set to upgrade too.  Had everything in my cart.  i7-8700k, new motherboard, ram, and gtx 1080 FTW2...and...out of stock...........everywhere.  Don't forget your loyal customers out there.  We're being price gouged to hell and back.  
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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/09 16:29:33 (permalink)
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The GTX 1080 ti does NOT have much demand from cryptocoin miners, nor has the pricing gone up much on it at ALL this year. Any price rise would be due to the rise in MEMORY pricing.



EVGA is completely sold out of 1080 Ti anything. Newegg is sold out of 1080 Ti anything (only ~4 third party sellers have cards, and they start at $1200). Looks like miners have decided to start buying everything. The cheapest 1080 Ti on Amazon is now $950. If someone wants a $800 1080 Ti they have to buy one off ebay now.  
 
I would really like to know why NVIDIA and AMD don't appear to be increasing the production of GPUs to meet this demand. Mining has been grossly inflating GPU prices for the past year, now the only card not affected is the Titan V.  
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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/09 20:22:15 (permalink)
I would argue 1080ti pricing and availability are in fact impacted from mining. Your estimates are not accurate based on GPU mining efficiency available in the market today.
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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/10 11:11:20 (permalink)
Here's what I've noticed after monitoring both Amazon and Newegg these last few months. There are a few 3rd party sellers which I won't name who's stock increases as Amazon/Newegg's decreases. It's more difficult to track Newegg since they don't publish "XX left in stock, order soon" but on Amazon it's quite easy. You'll see Amazon get a shipment and as an example it'll say "13 left in stock, order soon" and that 3rd party will list it as "1 left in stock, order soon". Within hours Amazon will be completely sold out and that specific 3rd party reseller will then show an increase of almost Amazon's previous number. Like I said it's more difficult to monitor exactly on Newegg but there are 2 3rd party sellers who will have no inventory on a specific card(s) yet the moment Newegg resupplies and promptly sells out, one of those two resellers will suddenly have inventory.
 
A bigger problem there is I have a friend who's fighting with Asus because he purchased from a Newegg reseller and Asus is saying no warranty due to purchasing from an unauthorized dealer.

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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/10 11:15:07 (permalink)
If you are desperate for a new high end 1080ti (ftw3, kingpin)... and don’t mind spending a few extra $$$. Nvidia themselves has plenty of stock of Xp and the “star wars” edition is discounted:

{nvidia dot com} /en-us/geforce/products/10series/star-wars-jedi-order-titan-xp-collectors-edition/

At $1,138 - that’s $62 off a regular Titan Xp and about $100 more than a kingpin. Flashing led and silly shrouds are not my thing but hey, it’s the exact same hardware and some lunch money off.

Granted, you don’t get a whole lot more in terms of performance, but it certainly is not an inferior card.

Interesting that NVIDIA has *plenty* of stock of Xp and no stock for 1080 ti’s (same processor, same memory).
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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/10 11:22:33 (permalink)
As anyone has already seen, third party sellers are asking absurd, obnoxious prices for their piddling stock of ti’s... $1200 is the minimum
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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/10 11:27:49 (permalink)
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I would really like to know why NVIDIA and AMD don't appear to be increasing the production of GPUs to meet this demand. Mining has been grossly inflating GPU prices for the past year, now the only card not affected is the Titan V.  




At the end of the day the only concern is profit. AMD tried to say they were pro-gamer with that ridiculous bundle deal but it backfired. When it comes down to it all the manufacturers have a forcast of XXXX cards produced and sold for XXXX amount of money. They don't really care who purchases as long as they get sold. I'd like to exclude EVGA from that idea because they do something the others don't in offering sales directly to the consumer. They don't seem to be marking them up astronomically every time a new batch arrives but they still can't control who buys them(with the exception of offering them to elite members). I really don't see manufacturers addressing the problem.
 
My concern is if this keeps up are we watching the decline and possible demise of PC gaming? I had two friends who were planning new PC builds over the past holiday. Both usually build or upgrade every two years or so and operate on a $1000 budget. With misc parts carry over it usually puts them into an upper mid range CPU and 70 series Nvidia GPU. Neither could find a 70 series to come close to their budget and both decided to grab the XBX instead. Both are blown away with what it offers for gaming and might not revisit PC gaming for a long while.

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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/10 11:41:21 (permalink)
Given the current prices, Nvidia does not care about the 1080 ti line or it gpu partners. In fact, if you go to their gpu cloud site, only Titan Xp and up are supported for their AI software.

It you want a high end card, I’m guessing you will be waiting a long time for the next 1080 ti to come back in stock.

The new price is $1200 direct from Nvidia in the form of the Titan Xp.

The partner manufacturers are screwed. Nvidia knows full well the market price for this chip and they are going to keep it for themselves.

Partners such as evga will file lawsuits, but I’m sure there are enough caveats that will make their pleas worthless.

This is the end of the moderately priced high-end gpu boys
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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/10 12:23:58 (permalink)
Tbought.. pretty soon they will figure out how to use the Xbox one x to mine. Hell it's got a 980ti I hear or equivalent?

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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/10 14:49:22 (permalink)
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Tbought.. pretty soon they will figure out how to use the Xbox one x to mine. Hell it's got a 980ti I hear or equivalent?

It has a fully enabled Polaris 10 GPU from AMD with 2560 cores. It's roughly on par with a AMD RX580 in terms of performance. 

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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/10 20:27:31 (permalink)
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This is the end of the moderately priced high-end gpu boys



I'd go so far as to say it's the end of the reasonably priced midrange gpus. I'm expecting to see what we paid for 1080/1080ti this gen be the price range for the 70 series Amperes.

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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/11 02:55:08 (permalink)
 
Hello All.
 
I wanted to buy an SC2 1070 , because Amazon sold out in 1 hour  , I  phoned Sales Department before Christmas and a "polite gentleman" said to me if it is out of stock means we dont have any.  Thanks EVGA , you have clever employees.  
 
I wonder EVGA Couldnt take any processors from NVIDIA since then?  In That time we could find SC and SC Black , FTW   but now everthing is out of stock in US-CANADA thanks to Zcash , Ethereum Miners.

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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/11 18:34:53 (permalink)
This timing is bad, I bet plenty of people still have holiday gift money to spend, so demand is already high this time of year without the cryptomining craze.  In addition to the cryptocurrency mining and memory prices, apparently there has been a huge surge in demand from China for systems capable of playing PUBG.  Another thing to keep in mind, Chinese New Year is on Feb 16, and most places in China (including all of the manufacturing facilities) shut down for at least a few days for the holiday.  I have a feeling supply shortages may last a while.
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Re: Amazon video card prices and video card prices in general 2018/01/11 19:42:24 (permalink)
Another thing worth mentioning is it's also affecting power supply inventory on the upper end. I've been trying to order a Corsair AX1200i or EVGA 1200P2 and haven't been successful for quite a while. Even those who say "in stock" don't have them as I placed orders with both Newegg and B&H with both being cancelled.

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