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AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
AMD is giving finishing touches to its 3rd generation Ryzen socket AM4 processor family which is slated for a Computex 2019 unveiling, followed by a possible E3 unveiling. Based on the "Matisse" multi-chip module that combines up to two 8-core "Zen 2" chiplets with a 14 nm I/O controller die, these processors see a 50-100 percent increase in core-counts over the current generation. The Ryzen 5 series now includes 8-core/16-thread parts, the Ryzen 7 series chips are 12-core/24-thread, while the newly created Ryzen 9 series (designed to rival Intel Core i9 LGA115x), will include 16-core/32-thread chips.
Thai PC enthusiast TUM_APISAK confirmed the existence of the Ryzen 9 series having landed himself with an engineering sample of the 16-core/32-thread chip that ticks at 3.30 GHz with 4.30 GHz Precision Boost frequency. The infamous Adored TV leaks that drew the skeleton of AMD's 3rd generation Ryzen roadmap, referenced two desktop Ryzen 9 parts, the Ryzen 9 3800X and Ryzen 9 3850X. The 3800X is supposed to be clocked at 3.90 GHz with 4.70 GHz boost, with a TDP rating of 125W, while the 3850X tops the charts at 4.30 GHz base and a staggering 5.10 GHz boost. The rated TDP has shot up to 135W. We can now imagine why some motherboard vendors are selective with BIOS updates on some of their lower-end boards. AMD is probably maximizing the clock-speed headroom of these chips out of the box, to preempt Intel's "Cannon Lake" 10-core/20-thread processor.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/10 12:10:19
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Why do I have a weird feeling that the base clock will be it's max OC on all cores? I read AMD is pushing the OC headroom on the chips meaning those base numbers might reflect close to all-at-once core max clocks
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/10 12:29:21
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Why do I have a weird feeling that the base clock will be it's max OC on all cores? I read AMD is pushing the OC headroom on the chips meaning those base numbers might reflect close to all-at-once core max clocks
4.3 GHz, 4.7 GHz, and 5.1 GHz. Nothing to complain about.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/10 12:35:03
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Why do I have a weird feeling that the base clock will be it's max OC on all cores? I read AMD is pushing the OC headroom on the chips meaning those base numbers might reflect close to all-at-once core max clocks
4.3 GHz, 4.7 GHz, and 5.1 GHz. Nothing to complain about.
I want 5GHz on all cores so yeah there is a difference.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/10 14:25:53
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I never said that there is no difference.
I don't think it is something to complain about.
I wish the best for AMD. I await positive reviews.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/10 14:36:32
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I never said that there is no difference.
I don't think it is something to complain about.
I wish the best for AMD. I await positive reviews.
Then what are you quoting me for and saying there is nothing to complain about?
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
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I never said that there is no difference.
I don't think it is something to complain about.
I wish the best for AMD. I await positive reviews.
Then what are you quoting me for and saying there is nothing to complain about?
Exactly!
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/10 17:51:35
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I never said that there is no difference.
I don't think it is something to complain about.
I wish the best for AMD. I await positive reviews.
Then what are you quoting me for and saying there is nothing to complain about?
Exactly!
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/10 19:26:36
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ty_ger07
I never said that there is no difference.
I don't think it is something to complain about.
I wish the best for AMD. I await positive reviews.
Then what are you quoting me for and saying there is nothing to complain about?
Exactly!
Ditto!
I'll humor you. "Nothing to complain about" means what? I'm complaining?
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/10 19:42:49
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Never mind. It's not worth explaining. I am not arguing with you; I just have a different opinion. Semantics is tiresome.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/10 20:54:46
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Never mind. It's not worth explaining. I am not arguing with you; I just have a different opinion. Semantics is tiresome.
Maybe you were thinking the IPC was enough? For me I've been waiting for the IPC to be equivalent to Intel's offering and for equivalent overclocking on all cores. I wasn't complaining and I get that if those are the final frequency speeds with Ryzen 2 that'll be fairly fast.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
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Its a sad state we've had multicore CPU/s for 14 years and largely software and operating systems has never caught up. IPC matters
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/11 11:46:31
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Its a sad state we've had multicore CPU/s for 14 years and largely software and operating systems has never caught up. IPC matters
That's true. If the devs only utilized the hardware properly, we'd see vast improvements.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/11 12:10:11
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Its a sad state we've had multicore CPU/s for 14 years and largely software and operating systems has never caught up. Developers will only optimize software for hardware most people have in order to net the most sales. From 2005 to 2017, most consumers purchased or built what? Systems with four-threaded CPUs (mainly dual-core w/HT and quad w/o HT), the sad state you're referring to isn't an independent coincidence. I know it goes against status quo around here, but enthusiasts don't set the pace for technology adoption, mass market does, and only recently were quad-cores moving down to the Core i3 and Pentium stage (in the past decade they were dual-cores). 7nm Ryzen 3 will raise the entry-level bar to 6-core, so to maintain Intel's dominance, they will follow with an equivalent performing Core i3-- this will be about when software will "catch up" because demand exists. Though keep in mind, software can take a few years to make from the ground up...so mainstream multi-core hasn't occurred yet. Of course time doesn't stop, and increasing core counts for each node shrink is AMD's main leverage over Intel's resistance to do so: 5nm will raise counts of Ryzen 3 beyond 6-cores. Intel will follow to keep their majority, and devs will follow. Until then, HCC processors are for folks that either multi-task or want endurance in an upgrade, this is what being an early adopter is about. 
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/11 12:12:40
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That or it is easier to backward engineer hardware than software. jk
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
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I have used OpenMP to hog CPU cores when needed
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/13 11:31:46
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A number of sites are suggesting the 16 core am4 part combine with htreadrippers dissappearance from the roadmap suggests this killed threadripper.
Might have matched the original processor in core count, but there was much more to threadripper that am4 doesn't come close to. Pcie lanes and nvme raid is two major ones.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/13 13:01:07
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I have only seen AM4 and nothing for TR4 processors. Most of the media are concerned about older boards not being able to use the 3000 series processors. This has pressured all of the vendors to clarify that they are going to support Zen 2 on existing AM4 motherboards.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/13 15:54:58
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correct me if I'm wrong maybe its an erroneous leak but doesn't the Zen 2 Ryzen 3000 series have up to 162 PCIe lanes more specifically 40 lanes for 3850x and the separate memory I/O that has greater compatibility and will support up to 4000 MHz memory?
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/13 16:18:25
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AM4 is able to have a theoretical 32 lanes, more lanes would need a PLX chip or 2 to be able to handle more peripherals
2000 series have a maximum of 24 lanes, 8 are reserved and not available. so I expect that will remain the same.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/14 05:37:56
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I have a feeling Threadripper parts will show up 2-3 months after the 3000 release. I can't see AMD passing on the chance to rub it in Intels face.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/14 05:56:49
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I have a feeling Threadripper parts will show up 2-3 months after the 3000 release. I can't see AMD passing on the chance to rub it in Intels face.
Probably August/September time frame or later
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/15 09:02:35
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correct me if I'm wrong maybe its an erroneous leak but doesn't the Zen 2 Ryzen 3000 series have up to 162 PCIe lanes more specifically 40 lanes for 3850x and the separate memory I/O that has greater compatibility and will support up to 4000 MHz memory?
On the server and threadripper platforms you will see the higher pcie counts. Am4 is simply has too few of pins to make use of all that. I sure hope AMD doesn't abandon threadripper. That would be a foolish move in my eyes. If they do through I guess I'll have to get a 2990wx and Asus' updated zenith x399 board for a computer I'll be keeping for many years. No way I will take so many steps back in regards to drive performance nvme raid is too sweet to give up and I just can't abide Intels hedt at this moment.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
2019/05/15 19:58:31
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I sure hope AMD doesn't abandon threadripper. That would be a foolish move in my eyes. Of course not, there is just no reason to update it yet. Only 12/16 -core models are being made obsolete with Zen 2 AM4, but since even Intel X299 successor is 'up to 18-cores', then there is no hurry to bring 7nm version of the 2970X/2990X. In my mind, if 16-core is the max at 7nm for AM4, then 24-core is the entry-level for Threadripper 3000. 24/32 cores are the initial push, then when 7+ comes, then the 48/64-core models will come as Threadripper 4000. But again, there is no competitive threat for AMD, ironically.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
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Its a sad state we've had multicore CPU/s for 14 years and largely software and operating systems has never caught up. IPC matters
That's true. If the devs only utilized the hardware properly, we'd see vast improvements.
+1  Outside of professional software that cost $$$$$ -- it is hard to use many cores Effectively -- seems the first two cores can bog the whole system with many applications as the other 6 core just basically sit there.
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