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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/10/11 21:13:43
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4GB vram is fine for those on a single monitor
its only if you are running 3 monitor surround you will run into problems.
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/10/11 21:36:35
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4GB of vram is good for 1080p but not higher res or multi monitor
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/10/11 22:22:16
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4GB of vram is good for 1080p but not higher res or multi monitor
Turn down the AA then and it will be fine on a higher res screen, if running on 1080p set to 8x, if running in 1440p set to 4x, if running on 1600p set to 2x, etc etc. Higher resolution does not need high AA, follow this method and it should stay under 4GB vram usage.
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/10/11 22:31:21
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You can use zero aa in 4k and go over 4 gb vram. Ultra 4k textures
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/02 00:37:34
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Now here comes the 8 gb cards:-)
Within the next 6 weeks we will see a lot of 4 gb buyers having buyers remorse
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/02 00:43:48
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Tylerslikewhoa
Now here comes the 8 gb cards:-)
Within the next 6 weeks we will see a lot of 4 gb buyers having buyers remorse
Surprise! Welcome to the Green vs Red war.
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/02 00:48:51
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Yes it is a war. But 4k was going to bring 8 gb cards anyways
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/02 09:32:59
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I don't have a 4k monitor and have no plans on one for now. Thank god I am not going crazy over vram amount. 4GB works just fine for me. :)
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/02 10:15:20
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I bought 16GB of RAM. I'm good to go 
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/02 10:36:17
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I bought 16GB of RAM. I'm good to go
We're talking about the amount of RAM in the graphics card, available to the GPU.
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/02 11:26:05
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FluffyZack
I bought 16GB of RAM. I'm good to go
We're talking about the amount of RAM in the graphics card, available to the GPU.
Off topic? 
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/02 12:15:54
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FluffyZack
I bought 16GB of RAM. I'm good to go
LOL I think he was just being funny :)
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/02 14:53:12
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Too many pc users look at things "IN THE NOW" and they buy for RIGHT NOW.
Others look at longevity and want to get the most for the money they spend without having to upgrade every year and a half.
For me I fall in the latter category. I will be getting the 8gb probably two for SLI. I will be covered for quite a while. If I were to get two 970's Id regret it in 6 months.
For those that say games dont need 4gb ram
COD AW
Mordor
Skyrim with Mods
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already have 4gb as recommended settings.
Witcher 3, GTA 5 probably will ask for more. This time next year 6gb will be the norm. Book this post.
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/02 15:20:15
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Buying an 8gb card with a 256bus is not going to help you very much, its been proven time and time again by the time you see a real gain the GPUs dont have enough power to push it.
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/02 15:33:59
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MADOGRE
Buying an 8gb card with a 256bus is not going to help you very much, its been proven time and time again by the time you see a real gain the GPUs dont have enough power to push it.
the memory bus is nearly irrelevant if wanting to run higher res textures. higher res textures require little to no more processing power but do require more vram.
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/02 17:20:33
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Too many pc users look at things "IN THE NOW" and they buy for RIGHT NOW.
Others look at longevity and want to get the most for the money they spend without having to upgrade every year and a half.
For me I fall in the latter category. I will be getting the 8gb probably two for SLI. I will be covered for quite a while. If I were to get two 970's Id regret it in 6 months.
For those that say games dont need 4gb ram
COD AW
Mordor
Skyrim with Mods
Evil Within
AC Unity
already have 4gb as recommended settings.
Witcher 3, GTA 5 probably will ask for more. This time next year 6gb will be the norm. Book this post.
by the time 8GB Vram goes mainstream your longetivity will be short lived and the video cards will be too slow, this is why most of us prefer to save money and just get the 4GB option instead now and upgrade around 1 - 2 years later. also all the games you mentioned where vram would be an issue is only on a 3 monitor surround setups or those running on a single 4K monitor, which is still today a very small market percentage. most gamers are on single 1440p or 1080p screens I still choose to be on 1080p for this reason so I have a good balance of performance and vram usage, while others on higher setups will just keep burning money and complaining of performance and lack of vram (gee I wonder why) some people have more money then they do common sense.
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/02 17:32:50
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DavidML3
Too many pc users look at things "IN THE NOW" and they buy for RIGHT NOW.
Others look at longevity and want to get the most for the money they spend without having to upgrade every year and a half.
For me I fall in the latter category. I will be getting the 8gb probably two for SLI. I will be covered for quite a while. If I were to get two 970's Id regret it in 6 months.
For those that say games dont need 4gb ram
COD AW
Mordor
Skyrim with Mods
Evil Within
AC Unity
already have 4gb as recommended settings.
Witcher 3, GTA 5 probably will ask for more. This time next year 6gb will be the norm. Book this post.
Uhmm.... Every year something new comes out. The next big thing. And then six months from that "next big thing" your 6gig video card is obsolete. Go figure
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/02 17:41:08
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Wouldnt system ram come into play if it ran out of Vram, of course itll be slower but isnt that how it works.
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/02 18:22:27
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Wouldnt system ram come into play if it ran out of Vram, of course itll be slower but isnt that how it works.
have you really never ran out of vram in a game ever? hitching, stuttering, massive framerate drops and freezing is what happens. system ram will do nothing for you there.
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/02 20:39:54
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If you like your games limited to a 30Hz refresh rate, go ahead and get a cheap 4K panel and a single GTX 980. If you want your FPS around 60, you will need to spend a lot more for a good display that uses display port to get you to that 60Hz refresh rate. You also need to run SLI to get near 60FPS on a 4K monitor... VRAM is the last thing you need to worry about at that point... the GPU's can barely keep up at that resolution. http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_980_sli_review,23.html Not to mention... the CPU power you need to back it up... That review uses a i7 3960X @ 4.6GHz to get those results.
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/03 01:45:00
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Sli 970 and a Samsung U28D590D is entry level into 4k 60 fps. But the 4 gb of vram can cause trouble
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/03 02:26:59
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I'm running 4 monitors in NVIDIA Surround at 7680x1440 + 1920x1080 with ONE 4GB card. This RAM hype is just that: a hype. There's no evidence for the claim, that we'll need more VRAM in the near future.
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/03 02:57:30
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I'm running 4 monitors in NVIDIA Surround at 7680x1440 + 1920x1080 with ONE 4GB card. This RAM hype is just that: a hype. There's no evidence for the claim, that we'll need more VRAM in the near future.
The truth is you'll never know what's coming. You can buy now the GTX980 or wait a few months for the 8GB variant... And a month later a GTX980Ti comes out and so on... I guess if you're going to SLI a 8GB of VRAM would come in handy, for a single card 4GB seems quite reasonable. Of course 6GB would be more future-proof, however nVidia is not stupid to release a "perfect" card.
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/03 03:08:58
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Yes, but when you go SLI with two 980's you actually are at 8GB. So I don't see a problem ^_^
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/03 03:15:00
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Yes, but when you go SLI with two 980's you actually are at 8GB. So I don't see a problem ^_^
VRAM doesn't get add up in SLI.
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/03 03:16:43
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Ok that I didn't know. Thanks for the info!
Good to know that I won't need more VRAM with 4 monitors at my current res then. 4GB will be ok for the next 2 graphics card generations for me.
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/03 03:17:36
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Verun
Ok that I didn't know. Thanks for the info!
That's why they're all so mad about it :D
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/03 05:35:41
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Sli 970 and a Samsung U28D590D is entry level into 4k 60 fps. But the 4 gb of vram can cause trouble
No its not, GTX 970s in SLI can bearly hit 40FPS on 4K with a i7 3690X @ 4.6GHz. You run out of GPU power WAYYYY before you run into VRAM issues.
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/03 05:45:15
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That's why I called it entry level not BIG pimpin level. Lol
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Re: 4 gb of ram isn't enough
2014/11/03 05:51:45
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too much technical broscience in this thread. Alot of unfounded opinions.
Show proof that 8gb is worthless?
If Bethesda comes out with fallout 4 next year with all the mods for that there is no way a 4gb will be able to handle it.
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