snoopy3525
It sounds like nvidia is just trying to shuffle around and push the prices higher on their high end cards which started with the 3080 Ti.  My guess on probable sequence of events...
 
3080 Ti released ($1200 MSRP) already occurred
3090 will be discontinued ($1500)
3090 Ti released at ($2000)
 
Nvidia could eventually discontinue the 3070 and 3080 and came out with two different "Super" chips (or at least the 3080).  Could be priced around $1000 in between the 3080 Ti ($1200) and current 3080 ($800)
 
The question is, if one is on a Step-Up queue for the 3090, what happens if the chip is discontinued?  I presume this situation hasn't occurred yet , and I recall reading on the forums evga will eventually get the card for you to step-up to, but this doesn't sound possible.  Unless EVGA already has their orders in to nvidia for each step-up which a person applied for
 
 

Nereus
 
EVGA always does a KingPin edition for the flagship GPU.. since the 3090Ti will be the new flagship card, it's a pretty good bet there will be a 3090Ti KingPin. Considering the 3090 KingPin Hydrocopper was priced at $2,350 from EVGA (when it was 'available'), I'd expect the 3090Ti KPHC will likely be priced a little higher - maybe $2,500. ..and if there's a hybrid, maybe $2,350? I don't know if EVGA will be doing the full FTW3 / XC3 lineup for the 3090Ti, but whatever they do, I'm guessing they'd be priced at minimum $2k and up from there for the FTW3 models, and maybe minimum $1,750 / $1,800 and up for the XC3 models.
 

Nereus

nist7

Nereus
EVGA always does a KingPin edition for the flagship GPU.. since the 3090Ti will be the new flagship card, it's a pretty good bet there will be a 3090Ti KingPin. Considering the 3090 KingPin Hydrocopper was priced at $2,350 from EVGA (when it was 'available'), I'd expect the 3090Ti KPHC will likely be priced a little higher - maybe $2,500. ..and if there's a hybrid, maybe $2,350? I don't know if EVGA will be doing the full FTW3 / XC3 lineup for the 3090Ti, but whatever they do, I'm guessing they'd be priced at minimum $2k and up from there for the FTW3 models, and maybe minimum $1,750 / $1,800 and up for the XC3 models.

Ah ok interesting....that's insane though....how much GPUs cost these days. But such is the time we live in.
 
I've also heard rumors that 90Ti are not going to be alot...since they need to bin out the best GA102 dies for the 90Ti....so looks like it could make sense for EVGA and other AIBs to make flagship cards instead of more "mass marketed" ones...since the top end cards like the kingpin probably have higher profit margin and if there's not that much 90Ti to go around...might as well make it a flagship model.
 
I'm gonna venture that Nvidia MSRP will be something like $1999 for the 90Ti and then AIB cards can be quite a bit higher...wouldn't be surprised if some AIBs price it closer to $3k with how everything is STILL selling out like hot cakes here in 2022

Yeah you might be right - very limited supply, and I may be low-balling it there.. considering the difference between the 3080 and the 3080Ti models is about $400+...  maybe $2,750 for the 3090TI KPHC... damn that's a lot of money for a GPU! You can built a fairly decent entire rig for that money lol.


 

Hoggle
I think the price might have limiting factor on resellers. The 3080 can be marked up 50% pretty easily but a reseller isn't going to be able to get a 50% markup on a 3090Ti. That could really help since people who are reselling are cared mostly about the profit margin and also how little they can be spend. The 3090Ti is kind of priced outside the reseller range.

Nereus

GTXJackBauer

Hoggle
I think the price might have limiting factor on resellers. The 3080 can be marked up 50% pretty easily but a reseller isn't going to be able to get a 50% markup on a 3090Ti. That could really help since people who are reselling are cared mostly about the profit margin and also how little they can be spend. The 3090Ti is kind of priced outside the reseller range.

You make a good point. 

Now add the newly improved "theft act", regardless if you're a resellers but the average joe and want to sell something like your new or used GPU, PC, pokemon cards etc. or a crafter on etsy or what have you, the IRS want's to know about it.    They changed it from $20,000+ annually to $600 in gross sales.  Ebay said they're going to lobby congress to change that threshold.  Lots of sellers threaten to leave and have left.  Oh and they're asking the looters to file too.  Google it if yall don't believe me. smh
 
While this is great against scalpers, it's horrible for everyone else.

Reading that article, it seems the IRS want to track all online sales as income, although at present EBay, Paypal etc. are only reporting if the total sales in one year is >$20k or 200 items.. but that had me thinking... if people like me are just selling our own used computer gear because we're upgrading (and not scalping!), then freaking bring it on - most of my gear I buy new, and I never recoup the original cost, so if IRS want to take anything I sell on EBay etc into account as part of my total income, then sure, I'm running at a loss in that case, so I can therefore reduce my total taxable income accordingly! Haha - winning! And if scalpers have to pay tax on their gains, I'm all for it!
 
An interesting point: income from criminal activity such as theft or drug dealing is still taxable income, and I've seen that used in criminal court where a drug dealer had tax fraud charges added on top of his criminal charges for all the cash he got busted with - it's a convenient and easy way for Prosecutors to gain some added leverage to negotiate plea deals.
 

GTXJackBauer

Nereus

GTXJackBauer

Hoggle
I think the price might have limiting factor on resellers. The 3080 can be marked up 50% pretty easily but a reseller isn't going to be able to get a 50% markup on a 3090Ti. That could really help since people who are reselling are cared mostly about the profit margin and also how little they can be spend. The 3090Ti is kind of priced outside the reseller range.

You make a good point. 

Now add the newly improved "theft act", regardless if you're a resellers but the average joe and want to sell something like your new or used GPU, PC, pokemon cards etc. or a crafter on etsy or what have you, the IRS want's to know about it.    They changed it from $20,000+ annually to $600 in gross sales.  Ebay said they're going to lobby congress to change that threshold.  Lots of sellers threaten to leave and have left.  Oh and they're asking the looters to file too.  Google it if yall don't believe me. smh
 
While this is great against scalpers, it's horrible for everyone else.

Reading that article, it seems the IRS want to track all online sales as income, although at present EBay, Paypal etc. are only reporting if the total sales in one year is >$20k or 200 items.. but that had me thinking... if people like me are just selling our own used computer gear because we're upgrading (and not scalping!), then freaking bring it on - most of my gear I buy new, and I never recoup the original cost, so if IRS want to take anything I sell on EBay etc into account as part of my total income, then sure, I'm running at a loss in that case, so I can therefore reduce my total taxable income accordingly! Haha - winning! And if scalpers have to pay tax on their gains, I'm all for it!
 
An interesting point: income from criminal activity such as theft or drug dealing is still taxable income, and I've seen that used in criminal court where a drug dealer had tax fraud charges added on top of his criminal charges for all the cash he got busted with - it's a convenient and easy way for Prosecutors to gain some added leverage to negotiate plea deals.

AFAIK, it got changed across the board and lessened to $600 on everything including paypal and all online transactions in general.  This is going to hurt the middle and lower bracket of folks trying to get by or just trying to sell a few things.
 
As for the DAs and the likes, they're releasing everyone on the fly.  All the top shops are constantly being looted with carjackings and armed robberies up the wazoo near me.  They're also apparently using tech devices like the apple air tags to track the vehicles they want.  The only good side I heard of that was the guy that stole the keys and vehicle was able to be tracked and arrested but chances are was released.  I got so many stories but I know this isn't the place here.
 
I hope EVGA finds their truck.

kraade

snoopy3525
It sounds like nvidia is just trying to shuffle around and push the prices higher on their high end cards which started with the 3080 Ti.  My guess on probable sequence of events...
 
3080 Ti released ($1200 MSRP) already occurred
3090 will be discontinued ($1500)
3090 Ti released at ($2000)
 
Nvidia could eventually discontinue the 3070 and 3080 and came out with two different "Super" chips (or at least the 3080).  Could be priced around $1000 in between the 3080 Ti ($1200) and current 3080 ($800)
 
The question is, if one is on a Step-Up queue for the 3090, what happens if the chip is discontinued?  I presume this situation hasn't occurred yet , and I recall reading on the forums evga will eventually get the card for you to step-up to, but this doesn't sound possible.  Unless EVGA already has their orders in to nvidia for each step-up which a person applied for
 
 

 
Seems probable and quite sad news for the 40 series if this trend continues we could see a mid tier 4080 at +2k. Profit over consumer value seems to be a trend without end.

snoopy3525
It sounds like nvidia is just trying to shuffle around and push the prices higher on their high end cards which started with the 3080 Ti.  My guess on probable sequence of events...
 
3080 Ti released ($1200 MSRP) already occurred
3090 will be discontinued ($1500)
3090 Ti released at ($2000)
 
Nvidia could eventually discontinue the 3070 and 3080 and came out with two different "Super" chips (or at least the 3080).  Could be priced around $1000 in between the 3080 Ti ($1200) and current 3080 ($800)
 
The question is, if one is on a Step-Up queue for the 3090, what happens if the chip is discontinued?  I presume this situation hasn't occurred yet , and I recall reading on the forums evga will eventually get the card for you to step-up to, but this doesn't sound possible.  Unless EVGA already has their orders in to nvidia for each step-up which a person applied for
 

Harriman
Does anyone know if the 3090 TI is going to be a Kingpin upgrade only?? or are we getting XC/FTW variants as well???

Nereus
 
Looking at the EVGA YouTube video, release is obviously January 27th, and the video shows 3 circles which seems to infer the iCX version is launching on that date... so KingPin variants might be further down the line.
 

 

the_Scarlet_one

zippytek
still firmly in camp TEE EYE over here. if you want to say Tie make it Tie

They literally make it lol, and will continue to call it Ti because it stands for Titanium, meaning the first two letters would be pronounced exactly how they say it is pronounced. T.I. or T-I Would be pronounced as such, but you wouldn’t say T-I-tanium because it doesn’t make sense.

And I have always, and will probably always, call it T-I. Doesn’t change why they call it what they do.

Even Jensen Huang called them T-I at the 2080 Ti launch, and the 1080 Ti launch as well. My assumption would be that this was an employee preference.