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2021/10/15 21:57:54 (permalink)
Howdy - Long time EVGA customer, and I’ve been very pleased with my cards. Up until my recent 3080ti Hybrid card. Its pump is making a noise not unlike an aquarium or refrigerator. I sent it back under warranty, out $100 for expedited shipping and got the same card back with the noise only slightly less than it was before. The card at idle is by far the loudest thing in my system, and it’s not a pleasant sound.

Has anyone run into this before? I sent it back once. My other hybrid kits didn’t make this noise. Is there even a possibility to get evga to send me a heat sink? I’d gladly lose the hybrid cooler if I have to listen to it vibrating away all day.

Any thoughts/suggestions are welcome.
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/15 22:09:19 (permalink)
    Hybrid GPUs or any AIOs are hit or miss. I’ve had some that are quiet enough that case fans absolutely drown out the noise, and some that sound like you described. It could even be air trapped in the pump. Have you tilted your case every ol’ which way to try to work out any potentially trapped air? Also, is your radiator above the card?


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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/15 22:51:04 (permalink)
    Radiator is mounted at the top of the case as an exhaust.  I’ve tilted the whole system back and forth repeatedly. My Liquid freezer II is dead silent.  I’ve let it run for 7 hours with no improvement.
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/15 22:54:10 (permalink)
    Yeah mine is rather loud at idle too, but it's soooo much quieter than the air cooler when under loud (plus 20C cooler) that I've learnt to happily live with it.

    There's a cable mod you can do to allow the motherboard to ramp the pump speed down when idle, which completely gets rid of the noise, but I haven't bothered. Search around on this forum if you want more details.
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/15 23:00:05 (permalink)
    I don’t mind it loud under heavy load.  I mind it being loud when I’m trying to get some work done or listen to music.  I‘d gladly put a stock cooler on it if that was even an option. 
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/15 23:06:35 (permalink)
    I had this issue with my 3090 hybrid, I  had to RMA it cause I didn't wanna cable mod it and then I got a new card, to fix that issue. asetek pumps are frustrating, cause if even the tinyest ammount of liquid is not in the pump it will just sound awful.

    when ever I get more money for pc stuff I am going to get an EK d5 pump and water block cause D5 pump > >>>>>>>> Asetek AIO
    post edited by Ravena - 2021/10/15 23:07:38
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/15 23:28:12 (permalink)
    I really don’t want to have to RMA it again…they sent me the exact same card back. No guarantees they wouldn’t do the same thing again. 
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/15 23:51:23 (permalink)
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    I really don’t want to have to RMA it again…they sent me the exact same card back. No guarantees they wouldn’t do the same thing again. 


    then consider doing water black then, cause that is really the only option you have.

    and if you cross ship they couldn't happen cause they would have to send you a different card and you send the card to them after you get new card so that also is option.

    or you can do the pump cable mod by searching the forum for information on how to and decreasing the pump speed from 100 to 90 or what not.
    post edited by Ravena - 2021/10/15 23:59:09
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/16 03:24:01 (permalink)
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    Howdy - Long time EVGA customer, and I’ve been very pleased with my cards. Up until my recent 3080ti Hybrid card. Its pump is making a noise not unlike an aquarium or refrigerator. I sent it back under warranty, out $100 for expedited shipping and got the same card back with the noise only slightly less than it was before. The card at idle is by far the loudest thing in my system, and it’s not a pleasant sound.

    Has anyone run into this before? I sent it back once. My other hybrid kits didn’t make this noise. Is there even a possibility to get evga to send me a heat sink? I’d gladly lose the hybrid cooler if I have to listen to it vibrating away all day.

    Any thoughts/suggestions are welcome.



    You probably have a vapor lock. Since you can't control the pump rpms, and tilting your case didn't do much, the best alternative is to remove the waterblock and shake the whole AIO outside of the case, to remove the air that got trapped in the pump. You could also power up the pump while shaking it.
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/16 08:03:30 (permalink)
    I think I'll contact EVGA and see if they're willing to do an RMA and send me an air cooled model to replace it.  I can live with a little less performance to get rid of the fridge sound beside me.  Otherwise, I may look into the pump power adapter to see if adjusting its PWM speed helps at all.
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/16 08:51:45 (permalink)
    It will help. People are giving you answers.
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/16 08:53:33 (permalink)
    Time for the adapter cable and pump voltage control mod.
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/16 09:40:25 (permalink)
    Ordered the adapter as well as a 2-pin sensor to tape to the back of the card using engine bay tape.  My mobo has temp sensor headers, so we'll see if this is a viable solution.  Everyone's situation is a little difference, so we'll see if this works for me...will know in a couple of days.
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/16 09:54:54 (permalink)
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    Ordered the adapter as well as a 2-pin sensor to tape to the back of the card using engine bay tape.  My mobo has temp sensor headers, so we'll see if this is a viable solution.  Everyone's situation is a little difference, so we'll see if this works for me...will know in a couple of days.

    I’m not quite familiar with this mod, but I recommend caution because physical mods could void your warranty. At the end of the day, it’s your card and your choice of what to do with it. Just throwing it out there.


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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/16 10:03:50 (permalink)
    Sounds good, just make sure to use enough voltage to get the pump to start at boot, about 7.5V or so, and monitor temps carefully, if the pump ever stops temps will climb fast even at idle.
     
    If the Sensor doesn't work out, "Fan Control" can be used to run the pump, rad and VRM fans off GPU temp.
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/16 10:08:22 (permalink)
    Awesome, let us know how you get on.
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/16 10:37:28 (permalink)
    This isn't going to void the warranty.  EVGA doesn't void warranties for replacing thermal paste.  I'm not even removing the cold plate.  This is just running the pump off of a motherboard header and fixing a temp probe to the back of it.
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/17 12:49:53 (permalink)
    This got a little more complicated, but learn as you go, I suppose. If I set the mode on the mobo to PWM, the pump runs at full speed and the fans can be controlled and report RPM. If I run by voltage, I can control the pump, but the fans are in lockstep voltage percentage with the pump. It seems okay as I’ve peaked at 70.7C GPU Temp on the 3DMark Port burn-in tests with my system only making a slight air noise and the pump almost inaudible, with fans and pump pegged to the CPU temp (temporarily).

    I’m going to use automotive tape to place a 2 pin thermal sensor on the back of the GPU and run the AIO fans to a y splitter off a fan header and then use the thermal sensor as the source for both. I’ll put the pump at 50% until it reaches 55C, then it’ll go 90%. At 75C, it will go 100%. Fans (Noctuas) via PWM will run at 40%, 70%, 100% at those same points. The Phobya sensor I’m using is a Phobya 10K Temperature Sensor, 80cm, Sleeved (a bit long, but I can tie up the remainder) along with Tesa wiring harness tape that’s engine bay rated. The Aorus Xtreme 1.2 I’m using has 2 2-pin headers, one that I’ll be leveraging for this. I’ll be comparing what EVGA precision says the GPU temp is compared to my external readings and adjust as appropriate.

    This got complicated fast. But overall, the pump is no longer annoying. Thanks all for the advice. The pump’s lead ran neatly out of the same hole the coolant hoses do out of the shroud.
    post edited by LeoBurr - 2021/10/17 12:57:28
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/17 13:07:48 (permalink)
    Interesting, I never thought of running both the rad fans and pump off voltage control, most people run them separately.  There is another reverse adapter cable that can be used to loop the rad fans back into card PWM control and 12V, but I ran into stability problems using it.
     
    Sensor sounds interesting but a bit excessively complicated.  I see it's insulated but I'd be sketched out having that close to or on any live components.  I use the "Fan Control" freeware off github, it has been very reliable and you can control any fan in the PC off GPU temp.
     
    When I was just using bios control, I would use system temp and have two fans speed set points.  When the PC warmed up under gaming the rad fans would go to 1800rpm and the pump to 10.5V.
    post edited by kevinc313 - 2021/10/17 13:13:06
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/17 14:07:22 (permalink)
    I didn’t want to run the rad fans and pump off voltage control. That’s just how it worked. I’ve since put my rad fans onto a motherboard fan connector, controlled via PWM with the pump controlled by voltage, and I canceled my sensor order since evidently the motherboard comes with two sensors. I ran the sensor lead along the metal plate of the GPU with 2 taping points and taped the sensor to the PCB right above the GPU. The sensor is within +/- 3C of the EVGA Precision GPU temperature comparing SIV and HWMonitor64. The tape is TESA 51056 150 Celcius (3000H) rated automotive tape.

    TL;DR: So now my motherboard is controlling both GPU pump and fans based off the temperature probe reading at the GPU and the card itself is only controlling the VRM cooler fan. Ran 3D Mark again and GPU temp per 3DMark and HWmonitor showed a max GPU temp of 68.2C. The External sensor was 3C off of this at 68C. So I’ll compensate a bit in the curves.
    post edited by LeoBurr - 2021/10/17 19:02:20
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/17 14:15:33 (permalink)
    Hey sounds super great.  Just be extra sure the sensor is well insulated and never, ever shorts out the board.
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/18 07:18:05 (permalink)
    The sensor has no exposed metal and is taped to the PCB, away from anything it could possibly interfere with.
     
    EVGA should consider pump control in future card revisions or future GPUs.
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/18 08:28:45 (permalink)
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    The sensor has no exposed metal and is taped to the PCB, away from anything it could possibly interfere with.
     
    EVGA should consider pump control in future card revisions or future GPUs.


    everyone has been wanting this since they started doing hybrid and they still haven't done it
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/18 08:31:47 (permalink)
    It's a shame.  I've made the rep I've been working with aware of this thread, yet no EVGA representatives have commented here, yet.
     
    When you have a product that has tolerances, some will be on the bad end of the tolerance range.  It makes sense to enable it to be remedied via software, since it's a relatively easy fix for EVGA's engineering that is impacting quite a few buyers of their ostensibly premium models.
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/18 08:32:56 (permalink)
    though pump control might have merit ..... Complaints and Suggestions
     
     
    I can tell you from first hand experience (now that I finally have one) that the 3080Ti FTW3 Hybrid pump (at least mine sample) ...
     
    is Not very noisy  .... After the air was bled out of the pump ... Pump Cavitation does make a bit of noise
     
    I can tell you from experience with many custom loop builds, the Air bubbles will only travel uphill & gets "stuck at the next pocket or high point, the force of the water flow just does a very poor job at removing "stuck" air bubbles ... even with my custom loops D5 at full power
     
    My trick, Shutdown the PC, disconnect the fan power on radiator, lay PC on its side the hoses coming out of the GPU should face Up
     
    Raise unmounted hybrid radiator above the GPU - hoses at bottom
     
    Now start the PC ..... no reason to enter W10 & if you do do not start any tasks .. you do not need or want the radiator getting hot
     
    Start to  "Gently Rock the radiator" &/or "Gently tap the radiator"
     
    You will hear the difference as soon as cavitation stops, inside of the pump. Shutdown the PC ....
     
    - Keep the radiator above the GPU in elevation, and carefully move it to the place you are going to mount it, keeping hoses at the bottom and the radiator end cap - without hose - As the highest point, as best as you can while moving the PC & mounting radiator
     
    Reconnect fan power previously disconnected.
     
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/18 08:40:26 (permalink)
    While I appreciate the response, prior to all of this I'd already attempted the above.  It has always been mounted with the hoses above the GPU, and the radiator at the top of the case, exhausting as I have an Arctic Freezere II on the front..  I've rocked and tapped the radiator with it unmounted while in the BIOS.  Things did not tangibly improve in my situation.
     
    I've rocked the whole system.  It did nothing.
     
    What did solve the problem?  Pump control.  What are many folks, including Gamers Nexus (FOUR YEARS AGO) recommending?  Pump control.  What is EVGA not offering?  Pump Control.
     
    I've been building PCs since about 1993 - This ain't my first build, AIO, water, or otherwise.  And EVGA taking a hard stance on this, and in my situation, simply plugging in my card, saying, "annoying noise normal" and sending it back to me in the same shape, with no note, and me needing to contact support for them to tell me that yes, I did in fact send my card on a pointless $100 round trip to Brea, CA, and they would do absolutely nothing, is the epitome of bad customer support, from a company that for years I praised for its amazing support.
     
    As has been said above, this has been mentioned to EVGA, but they aren't doing anything about it.  Improve tolerances or provide a way in software to mitigate that has been proven.
    post edited by LeoBurr - 2021/10/18 08:49:47
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/18 08:49:11 (permalink)
    The Aux fan on the FTW3 cards is voltage control, so you could plug the pump into it, then the fans into a board header with a mini-GPU adapter.
     
    I think things are configured the way they are because:
     
    - They don't want people accidently shutting off the pump.  Temps SKYROCKET if that happens.
     
    - Reference card compatibility.  Wiring that works with two fan controllers / headers.
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/18 08:50:05 (permalink)
    Both Hybrid and Strix LC uses Gen 7 Asetek.  My Strix LC had perfect pump noise but today It started to make GURGLING noise. I tried to place / orient best possible way. (  open to comments for my orientation )   
     https://imgur.com/Ns9xt3T
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/18 08:53:47 (permalink)
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    - They don't want people accidently shutting off the pump.  Temps SKYROCKET if that happens.




    This is silly logic and a poor excuse.  EVGA could simply enable pump control in EVGA Precision X and set limits, just like they do for power, voltage and temperature.  Do not enable the ability to turn off the pump completely.  Maybe 65%-100% static or a curve based on temperatures. 
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    Re: 3080ti Hybrid pump sounds like an aquarium pump 2021/10/18 09:30:44 (permalink)
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    Howdy - Long time EVGA customer, and I’ve been very pleased with my cards. Up until my recent 3080ti Hybrid card. Its pump is making a noise not unlike an aquarium or refrigerator. I sent it back under warranty, out $100 for expedited shipping and got the same card back with the noise only slightly less than it was before. The card at idle is by far the loudest thing in my system, and it’s not a pleasant sound.

    Has anyone run into this before? I sent it back once. My other hybrid kits didn’t make this noise. Is there even a possibility to get evga to send me a heat sink? I’d gladly lose the hybrid cooler if I have to listen to it vibrating away all day.

    Any thoughts/suggestions are welcome.



    When I bought the AIO for my 2080 I plugged it in and ran it while holding the pump in my hand.  The weird thing was it was loud at slow speed and dead silent at full speed.    But while it was on low speed with the heatsink facing up I flipped it 90 degrees and then it went dead silent, flipped it back to sink facing up and it went loud again.       
     
    If I hadn't of went with the "Keep it at full speed always to keep it quiet" option I would have vertical mounted my GPU and this would have kept it silent on low speed.  So maybe vertical mount is a possibility?

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