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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/01/26 11:32:40 (permalink)
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It's been shown by multiple people now that the card actually does reach 450w or even a bit more. GPUZ/HWINFO underreport the total power draw. This has been covered over and over.

And I've shown multiple times including just a few posts back in this thread that the difference in benchmark scores between the stock bios and the 1kw Galax is very small. 300-400 pts in PR.



i dont think thats true for everybody. my 3080ti ftw3 is showing 400 watt at 100% PL but it will not go above 108% PL in 3dmark. 
If you would be right, it would tell me that 108% is 112% in  Reality and even with 100% PL im over 400 watt. 
 
But on the other hand i found out that i can pretty easy hit 450 watt with this card showing in Gpu-z if i use OCCT stresstest.
This shows me also that this card is heavy throttling by over 50 watt if it hits 450. So i guess it does reach 450 also in benchmarks but we dont
see it as the intervall is to short.


Some numbers from my occt run default x1 setup with 450 W PL for 25 sec with a intervall of 0.1sec in GPU-Z so i got 250 samples. compaired to a curve optimized setting where i wouldnt stay under 450 W with a PL 112% ( i tried to find a setup with 440 watt average so i would be save below 450 Watt) (std=standard deviation)


 
 PL 450 / 450PL 450/440Max469,1 watt435,7 wattMin396,1 watt392,6 wattAverage446,7 watt427,8 wattStandard Deviation82,5663,31 
My theory is, that with this powerhorses its best to stay far away from powerlimit, as best es u can. U see standard deviation is much higher if u hit PL. At least you cut peaks al lot.  U see also u can hit 446 watt average readout from gpu-z with some heavy workload. I guess this holds ftw3 card back from hitting 450wat in "real World" benchmarks or games.  the second setting is not the best possible you can get closer to 450 PL but its long way to find the right setup for every case ( benchmark  game)
Thats what i thought before this test. you wont have a single setup for every usecase with this CUDA heavy cards.
post edited by ra773 - 2022/01/26 11:59:01
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/01/26 12:02:32 (permalink)
All depends on the load but I've been seeing consistently above 400W on demanding games and benchmarks - 3dmark included.


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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/01/26 12:02:50 (permalink)
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talon951
It's been shown by multiple people now that the card actually does reach 450w or even a bit more. GPUZ/HWINFO underreport the total power draw. This has been covered over and over.

And I've shown multiple times including just a few posts back in this thread that the difference in benchmark scores between the stock bios and the 1kw Galax is very small. 300-400 pts in PR.



i dont think thats true for everybody. my 3080ti ftw3 is showing 400 watt at 100% PL but it will not go above 108% PL in 3dmark. 
If you would be right, it would tell me that 108% is 112% in  Reality and even with 100% PL im over 400 watt. 
 
But on the other hand i found out that i can pretty easy hit 450 watt with this card showing in Gpu-z if i use OCCT stresstest.
This shows me also that this card is heavy throttling by over 50 watt if it hits 450. So i guess it does reach 450 also in benchmarks but we dont
see it as the intervall is to short.


As I said, the power is reported low (by about 30w). So any power reading you see needs to have 30w or so added to get the true power draw. Yes this means if you see 450w reported, it's actually 480w. I verified this with a clamp meter to measure amps at each 8pin connector. The middle 8pin runs about 30w higher than reported. (yes meaning power balance is even worse than it appears)
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/01/26 12:15:42 (permalink)
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It's been shown by multiple people now that the card actually does reach 450w or even a bit more. GPUZ/HWINFO underreport the total power draw. This has been covered over and over.

And I've shown multiple times including just a few posts back in this thread that the difference in benchmark scores between the stock bios and the 1kw Galax is very small. 300-400 pts in PR.



i dont think thats true for everybody. my 3080ti ftw3 is showing 400 watt at 100% PL but it will not go above 108% PL in 3dmark. 
If you would be right, it would tell me that 108% is 112% in  Reality and even with 100% PL im over 400 watt. 
 
But on the other hand i found out that i can pretty easy hit 450 watt with this card showing in Gpu-z if i use OCCT stresstest.
This shows me also that this card is heavy throttling by over 50 watt if it hits 450. So i guess it does reach 450 also in benchmarks but we dont
see it as the intervall is to short.


As I said, the power is reported low (by about 30w). So any power reading you see needs to have 30w or so added to get the true power draw. Yes this means if you see 450w reported, it's actually 480w. I verified this with a clamp meter to measure amps at each 8pin connector. The middle 8pin runs about 30w higher than reported. (yes meaning power balance is even worse than it appears)



im not so sure if its true for every GPU. 
i think its not true for my system. then i would have a 5800x beeing idle in benchmark as my whole system shows 580  watt at the wall. with 95% efficiency leaves me 550 watt Power out and only 100 watt for multiple ssds/ 32gb/ unify x570.  In idle my system draws 100 watt of which 34 watt is the gpu so thats gives me around additional CPU power in a benchmark to stay below 550 watt incl 450watt for my gpu. so i guess the readout is not 30 watt low here. 
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/01/28 22:44:22 (permalink)
I finally slapped the hybrid kit on my card... And I'm back in the top 100 again! My previous best on the stock air cooler was 15066. 15405 so far today and it's getting chillier outside 😂.

https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1417587

This was my previous best TS on air as well. Haven't gotten to messing with that yet. 21110

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/25266717
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/01/29 03:03:50 (permalink)
 ok. 
how many watt did u put through that little evga card with you galax firmware. 
i`ll maybe be give it a try but waiting for a clamp meter. 
rather not burn my card with that 1k fw. 
 
bye
post edited by ra773 - 2022/01/29 03:06:52
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/01/29 03:09:10 (permalink)
It says Galax right on the run report... And I wasnt too far off using the regular EVGA bios. https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1415602
Stop whining.

That's a sneaky ninja edit.

Anyway, I know how electrical components work so I am okay running the Galax bios for the occasional bench session. I'm sorry you didn't pay attention in class. You probably wouldn't hit those numbers anyway since it seems you got a poor binned card.


Bye.
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/01/29 03:12:06 (permalink)
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It says Galax right on the run report... And I wasnt too far off using the regular EVGA bios. https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1415602
Stop whining.



yes i found it later. 
pretty good. maybe win in silicon lottery.
my 3080ti ftw3 is throttleing from 400watt even with 450 PL thats why im asking. not getting more then 14400 here even fully custom water cooled. 
i guess that ftw3 FW / hardware combo sucks in some cases. 
looks like lots of people do have the same probs but no one really cares.
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/01/30 16:40:53 (permalink)
What sort of tricks can I do to improve my score? I'm still trying to dial in my OC but are there any "tricks" I can do to improve things by a few points? I'm just running the benchmark normally with AB and HWinfo running. Does closing programs effect the results? I'm on air so I'm not expecting fantastic scores. Any help appreciated. Thanks!
Port Royal
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1416266
Time Spy
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/25787842
 
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/01/31 20:07:13 (permalink)
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What sort of tricks can I do to improve my score? I'm still trying to dial in my OC but are there any "tricks" I can do to improve things by a few points? I'm just running the benchmark normally with AB and HWinfo running. Does closing programs effect the results? I'm on air so I'm not expecting fantastic scores. Any help appreciated. Thanks!
Port Royal
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1416266
Time Spy
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/25787842
 




Your PR score is right on the mark for your Card w moderate OC.
You will be able to add another +400 - 500 pts by pushing your OC to the absolute outer edge (borderline stability) along with some very very cool / cold ambient temps (if your PC is near window, open the window and let your room get cold).
With your room cold, turn on system...OC GPU and CPU and run benchmark while everything cold, will produce higher Avg Boost throughout.
Close all non essential running apps / services, kill gsync...turn off Rebar in BIOS.
nvcp set to high perfirmance. Windows set CPU to high performance...
 
I read that some are enabling Rebar within nv Inspector and inflating scores that way (as much as +300 pts) and some are flashing Card to Galaxy 1000w vbios.....I cant confirm these last 2 as haven't tried it, but I know my highest scores reflect my system pushed to the limits, so yeah when I see scores in PR in the 15.2K + those last 2 are likely the last steps.
I'm also on a very large Custom Loop.
 
For TS OC your CPU as high as you can get...this will inflate your CPU Score resulting in higher overall score
 
Have fun!
post edited by rjbarker - 2022/01/31 20:10:42

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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/04 03:51:46 (permalink)
Eek'ed out a bit more on the stock bios. Couldn't get temps enough lower to make a big difference though,

15464
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1430927

I did manage to break 23k graphics in TS though,

23019 graphics,

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/26080108
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/04 15:12:33 (permalink)
Thank you very much! I've managed a few more points in PR but I'm hoping to take advantage of the cold winter season to pump in some 10°F-20°F weather from my office window to see if I can crack 14600. That is my current goal. I appreciate the help!
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/09 05:39:45 (permalink)
This was easier than I thought. All I had to do was open my office window in the morning to let that cold air in and my scores went up several hundred points! Cracked my goal of 14600 so now I'm going to go for 15k.
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/71849780
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/09 18:14:17 (permalink)
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This was easier than I thought. All I had to do was open my office window in the morning to let that cold air in and my scores went up several hundred points! Cracked my goal of 14600 so now I'm going to go for 15k.
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/71849780




Thats the key....now try enabling Rebar w nv inspector (I havent tried this) toss a 1kW BIOS at it.(havent tried this either)....and you could be right up there in the 15k+ range ;)
That what drove me over the 15K mark was 1st run in the AM....highest possible OC....very cool temps....if you continue to try your card will be too warm and you wont get there .
Note your "Average Boost Clock"...the higher the OC and cooler the ambient temperature....the higher this will be = higher scores .....I had cool temps...1st run in the AM as soon as I turned on my system....OC +210 / +1275.....once my system is "warmed up" a bit...+210 not doable....silicon lottery plays into it as well at this point....
 
Note my Average Clock Frequency......
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1411187
 
 
post edited by rjbarker - 2022/02/09 18:19:49

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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/23 13:47:20 (permalink)
 got my 3080 ti pretty high and still ran kinda cool lol
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/25 06:51:56 (permalink)
Probably my last effort for this winter with the Galax bios. Personal bests for these,

15810
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1460554

23183 gfx reBar off (reBar on was 233xx, but this gives my highest combined)
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/26568532

12052 gfx reBar off
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/26568732
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/25 08:27:52 (permalink)
talon951
Probably my last effort for this winter with the Galax bios. Personal bests for these,

15810
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1460554

23183 gfx reBar off (reBar on was 233xx, but this gives my highest combined)
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/26568532

12052 gfx reBar off
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/26568732

Definitely is a Silcone winner you have there
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/25 17:37:14 (permalink)
Does the Galax Bios allow a higher voltage limit?

Talon95, are you on the hybrid or a water block?
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/25 17:42:41 (permalink)
No, only higher power limit. Yea I'm still using the hybrid, just sitting next to an open window. A good block would be 10C or more lower.
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/25 17:52:13 (permalink)
just wondering if you crank up the fans to precool the card as much as possible before the run?
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/25 18:05:53 (permalink)
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just wondering if you crank up the fans to precool the card as much as possible before the run?




Oh yea, 4 ML120's running full speed along with the hybrid fan.  It gains like 10C through the run as the coolant warms up.  Just such a small rad and volume of coolant.  And the hybrid block delta doesn't appear to be particularly good either.  Probably 20C or more at the power levels in the runs above.  From what I've seen comparing to others too, I don't think my mount can really get a lot better either.  Poor little thing just wasn't meant to dump 600w.  LOL
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/27 15:42:44 (permalink)
Yeah, that's pretty good silicon I think. Mine seems to be decent and I don't think I could get it over ~2230MHz on the voltage limit on light loads. I don't think I really tried to push peak frequency though when I had it pulling cold air as the stock 450W only got me to ~2160MHz anyway.
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/27 17:16:47 (permalink)
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Yeah, that's pretty good silicon I think. Mine seems to be decent and I don't think I could get it over ~2230MHz on the voltage limit on light loads. I don't think I really tried to push peak frequency though when I had it pulling cold air as the stock 450W only got me to ~2160MHz anyway.


I think it's just decent silicon, nothing that amazing. Like I think I talked about before (one of these threads), it's all about low temps, enough power to hold 1100mv, and a bunch of little tricks and tweaks to bump up the score.
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/27 17:23:47 (permalink)
Some cases have 2 layers of fan dust filters, one of which is magnetic and one that is nonmagnetic. Removing one of the layers can help improve airflow and decrease temps, because generally speaking a 2nd layer isn't nearly as helpful as the first for filtering out dust and can definitely worsen airflow from my experience.
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/27 18:22:34 (permalink)
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I think it's just decent silicon, nothing that amazing. Like I think I talked about before (one of these threads), it's all about low temps, enough power to hold 1100mv, and a bunch of little tricks and tweaks to bump up the score.


Ah, you get rid of the repeat runs and the N/A temperatures (sub-ambient) and you're #3 on Port Royal for 3080Ti. Pretty sure that's better than "decent" silicon.

On a run you posted a while back, you are like 250-300 points higher to a run I have with nearly identical average clock and memory speeds, your tricks are definitely working. Nice job.
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/27 18:56:12 (permalink)
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I think it's just decent silicon, nothing that amazing. Like I think I talked about before (one of these threads), it's all about low temps, enough power to hold 1100mv, and a bunch of little tricks and tweaks to bump up the score.


Ah, you get rid of the repeat runs and the N/A temperatures (sub-ambient) and you're #3 on Port Royal for 3080Ti. Pretty sure that's better than "decent" silicon.

On a run you posted a while back, you are like 250-300 points higher to a run I have with nearly identical average clock and memory speeds, your tricks are definitely working. Nice job.


Keep in mind that the average clock 3DMark shows is not effective clock like you see in HWINFO. How you manipulate the VF curve can change the difference between reported clock and effective clock. So it's possible I had higher effective clocks than you and effective clock is what really determines the performance you get.

I assume you are forcing rebar on? That's 200-300 pts right there.
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/28 06:49:18 (permalink)
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I think it's just decent silicon, nothing that amazing. Like I think I talked about before (one of these threads), it's all about low temps, enough power to hold 1100mv, and a bunch of little tricks and tweaks to bump up the score.


Ah, you get rid of the repeat runs and the N/A temperatures (sub-ambient) and you're #3 on Port Royal for 3080Ti. Pretty sure that's better than "decent" silicon.

On a run you posted a while back, you are like 250-300 points higher to a run I have with nearly identical average clock and memory speeds, your tricks are definitely working. Nice job.


Keep in mind that the average clock 3DMark shows is not effective clock like you see in HWINFO. How you manipulate the VF curve can change the difference between reported clock and effective clock. So it's possible I had higher effective clocks than you and effective clock is what really determines the performance you get.

I assume you are forcing rebar on? That's 200-300 pts right there.

so you're running with rebar off to get higher scores? 
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/28 06:52:39 (permalink)
No forcing it on. It's good for 200-300 pts.
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/28 06:58:50 (permalink)
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No forcing it on. It's good for 200-300 pts.

ohhhh thats in time spy. does it also juice up TSE? nice runs btw! I think you're in the top 3 for non sub ambient. 
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Re: 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Overclocking Results 2022/02/28 07:15:59 (permalink)
I'm not familiar enough with how it reports to know what ya mean? I assumed 3D mark takes the reported clock speed chart that it has and then averages all that data to create the average clock?

By "Forcing on Rebar" is there something else I need to do besides just having the MB settings right and turning it on in PX1?

Not going to lie, I'm just in the lazy man OC realm where I get it as much cold air as possible, turn the offsets and power limits as high as is stable and see where it ends up. About the only thing I do beyond that is capping the frequency so it avoids spiking the frequency too high at load transitions. Doing this was enough to put me in the top 1% on 3080Ti list but haven't been able to break top 100. Of course, top 100 is really like 5 people with 18 different scores and then maybe 10 others that only submit their highest, different topic though.
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