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Memory starts crashing Time Spy at 1100, so 1000~1050 seems to be the best I can do.

Core clock starts crashing at +165, so I presume if I want to attempt to push more there I would need to play around with the voltage curve. I did that with my 2080Ti (used a curve at 2100 1.093v) but for now I think I'll just stick with +150/+1000~1050.

GPU score above improving likely needs core going higher, not memory.

I'm surprised at how well these 3080s watercool, but then again this EK Block also has a nice nickel backplate with thermal pads for some additional passive cooling. My 2080Ti Corsair waterblock just had a standard backplate with no cooling properties.

(I abbreviated your post)
 
Test with even lower Memory OC to see if performance increases   ... crashes are an outright failure of OC.  These new cards will use "error correction" .... so performance can suffer - before crashing occurs ..(edit) If you push the RAM too hard
 
NVIDIA Boost has the last word in your boards final numbers, been that way for several generations.
 
As long as your MHz meet the advertised minimum it is Fine; after that it is the luck of the silicon lottery
 
Getting Max performance before hitting the Watt limit is a Good thing in my book
 
EDIT:  added = (edit) If you push the RAM too hard - for clarity

Thanks, I will keep that in mind! It's definitely the core causing the crashing, I've even tried with the memory slider at 0 lol.
 
Speaking of the core, Port Royal will happily complete with an unstable core https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/73317219? That's +200 lol
 
Time Spy is pretty much locked at +150 for me https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/73317601? I got a better score than earlier now though, GPU was up to like 19762.
 
 Max power draw with Time Spy
 

 
400w

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Memory starts crashing Time Spy at 1100, so 1000~1050 seems to be the best I can do.

Core clock starts crashing at +165, so I presume if I want to attempt to push more there I would need to play around with the voltage curve. I did that with my 2080Ti (used a curve at 2100 1.093v) but for now I think I'll just stick with +150/+1000~1050.

GPU score above improving likely needs core going higher, not memory.

I'm surprised at how well these 3080s watercool, but then again this EK Block also has a nice nickel backplate with thermal pads for some additional passive cooling. My 2080Ti Corsair waterblock just had a standard backplate with no cooling properties.

(I abbreviated your post)
 
Test with even lower Memory OC to see if performance increases   ... crashes are an outright failure of OC.  These new cards will use "error correction" .... so performance can suffer - before crashing occurs ..(edit) If you push the RAM too hard
 
NVIDIA Boost has the last word in your boards final numbers, been that way for several generations.
 
As long as your MHz meet the advertised minimum it is Fine; after that it is the luck of the silicon lottery
 
Getting Max performance before hitting the Watt limit is a Good thing in my book
 
EDIT:  added = (edit) If you push the RAM too hard - for clarity

Thanks, I will keep that in mind! It's definitely the core causing the crashing, I've even tried with the memory slider at 0 lol.
 
Speaking of the core, Port Royal will happily complete with an unstable core https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/73317219? That's +200 lol
 
Time Spy is pretty much locked at +150 for me https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/73317601? I got a better score than earlier now though, GPU was up to like 19762.
 
 Max power draw with Time Spy
 

 
400w

My Timespy Graphics score is similar to yours but your Port Royal score is a lot better than what I got.
 
I got curious about my 3080 FTW3 card and ran TS and PR to see if mine was going over 400W.  I think the most I got was like 407 for a split second but generally stayed at 400W.  This is a recent RMA KR that I got back last week.

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Really strange that a BIOS from a different company with a lower (430w) advertised power limit allowed your card to push past 400w. Have you ever tried the Evga Hybrid bios? I really hope that changing to a 16pin connector will alleviate these problems from future generations. Pretty ridiculous that you're having to jump through so many hoops. This is something that should have been handled a year+ ago.

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Really strange that a BIOS from a different company with a lower (430w) advertised power limit allowed your card to push past 400w. Have you ever tried the Evga Hybrid bios? I really hope that changing to a 16pin connector will alleviate these problems from future generations. Pretty ridiculous that you're having to jump through so many hoops. This is something that should have been handled a year+ ago.

IIRC I think I tried it when I first got the card, but I went to try it again there and I can't flash it now because of that dumb exe package EVGA use and "The display adapter firmware is up to date." error. I believe the BIOS this card shipped with was on an earlier version. EVGA really should put in a manual override feature for flashing.
 
Unfortunately, no one has dumped the Hybrid 450w LHR .rom file to techpowerup. Unless anyone knows if a ROM file can be extracted from these exe files? https://forums.evga.com/E...S-Thread-m3407542.aspx

BMJet posted a utility a long time ago that could extract the bios file, but it didn't work on the latest exe files last time I tried.

Did you flash both bios switch positions with a non-evga bios? If not, you could flash to the one with the EVGA bios and then dump the bios file out so you'd have it. Then flash that position back to whatever is there now.

I'd be surprised if any of the flavors of EVGA bios would behave differently.

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Memory starts crashing Time Spy at 1100, so 1000~1050 seems to be the best I can do.

Core clock starts crashing at +165, so I presume if I want to attempt to push more there I would need to play around with the voltage curve. I did that with my 2080Ti (used a curve at 2100 1.093v) but for now I think I'll just stick with +150/+1000~1050.

GPU score above improving likely needs core going higher, not memory.

I'm surprised at how well these 3080s watercool, but then again this EK Block also has a nice nickel backplate with thermal pads for some additional passive cooling. My 2080Ti Corsair waterblock just had a standard backplate with no cooling properties.

(I abbreviated your post)
 
Test with even lower Memory OC to see if performance increases   ... crashes are an outright failure of OC.  These new cards will use "error correction" .... so performance can suffer - before crashing occurs ..(edit) If you push the RAM too hard
 
NVIDIA Boost has the last word in your boards final numbers, been that way for several generations.
 
As long as your MHz meet the advertised minimum it is Fine; after that it is the luck of the silicon lottery
 
Getting Max performance before hitting the Watt limit is a Good thing in my book
 
EDIT:  added = (edit) If you push the RAM too hard - for clarity

Thanks, I will keep that in mind! It's definitely the core causing the crashing, I've even tried with the memory slider at 0 lol.
 
Speaking of the core, Port Royal will happily complete with an unstable core https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/73317219? That's +200 lol
 
Time Spy is pretty much locked at +150 for me https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/73317601? I got a better score than earlier now though, GPU was up to like 19762.
 
 Max power draw with Time Spy
 

 
400w

My Timespy Graphics score is similar to yours but your Port Royal score is a lot better than what I got.
 
I got curious about my 3080 FTW3 card and ran TS and PR to see if mine was going over 400W.  I think the most I got was like 407 for a split second but generally stayed at 400W.  This is a recent RMA KR that I got back last week.

If you flash the MSI 3080 BIOS I linked to it will pull upwards of 500w, and possibly even spikes exceeding that. It's difficult to measure when the software reporting is broken, but my crude measurements based on my power supply draw seem to indicate that. As well as watching what my water temp and card temp get to.
 
Worth it? Well, if you have the cooling capacity and aren't happy EVGA released a broken 450w BIOS, why not? However, instead of playing around with 2200mhz at 1.1v with my new power overhead, I've settled for locking in at 2100mhz 1.050v. That can be maintained in Metro Exodus EE even with RTing, so seems like the best balance for me between power, thermals and not hitting power limit constantly in one of the toughest gaming loads.
 
2200mhz at 1.1v for example is power limited in Metro, games without RTing or less intensive games can maintain it (even most of early Timespy can), but it's really entering "bragging rights" only territory versus a good balance for daily running.

talon951
The hybrid can handle 450-500w with good fans on the rad. Won't be quiet if you want to keep temps relatively low though. Remember that the same hybrid kit is used on 3080ti and 3090 FTW3's.

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Some more testing to show the BIOS works as it should up to 430w
 

 
1.05v is at least allowing me to play at 2100mhz (doesn't mean it's fully stable, but it's not crashing within a minute or two). So, at 111% GPU power usage out of 118%, still holds the frequency.
 

 
On this in-game scene with an NPC and a fair bit going on, you see a jump up to 118%, this is the max for this BIOS, so power level hit. Voltage drops and core frequency drops. As expected. Because yeah, Metro Exodus with RTing on at Ultra is just a monster. Can eat 430w for breakfast.
 
It returned to 2100mhz when the scene calmed down.
 
Now, how on earth do I contact EVGA about this? The last conversation I had with EVGA CS when they were going to speak to the BIOS team resulted in me being ignored, never got a follow up. I've quoted Jacob on this forum, and was ignored.
 
This BIOS works to get this card drawing up to 430w, but I'd very much like EVGA to fix their BIOS and make it so we don't need to use an MSI BIOS on our EVGA card. Given the wattage monster that is Metro Exodus, that 20w extra up to 450w would be even better, but I would take a small win with EVGA releasing a 430w BIOS.
 
edit - Power supply power usage has shown a spike to 700w in/652w out whilst playing Metro
 

 
I'm beginning to think this BIOS is allowing the card to draw more than 430w, as I cannot "find" what else would be causing me to see a spike to 700w. Around 600w power in is what I used to see on the EVGA bios. Maybe a little more. Nothing else in my build has changed since I made this topic. Even giving my old pictures in this topic some breathing space past 600w to 610~615w, that's still 80w extra now.
 
I guess I'm questioning whether or not the MSI BIOS sets a 430w limit or if, by chance, it just happens to interact in a way with this EVGA 3080 that it essentially sets no power limit and lets the card draw whatever it can. Safe, in theory, unless there is no balancing protection on any pin and it's a free for all lol. My card isn't getting any hotter than 42~44 degrees playing Metro on this BIOS, but I guess I should open my case side panel and check how hot the pins are.
 
Another reason why EVGA need to look at this and figure out why a 430w MSI BIOS is "unlocking" power draw on this card past 400w.

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Some more testing to show the BIOS works as it should up to 430w
 

 
1.05v is at least allowing me to play at 2100mhz (doesn't mean it's fully stable, but it's not crashing within a minute or two). So, at 111% GPU power usage out of 118%, still holds the frequency.
 

 
On this in-game scene with an NPC and a fair bit going on, you see a jump up to 118%, this is the max for this BIOS, so power level hit. Voltage drops and core frequency drops. As expected. Because yeah, Metro Exodus with RTing on at Ultra is just a monster. Can eat 430w for breakfast.
 
It returned to 2100mhz when the scene calmed down.
 
Now, how on earth do I contact EVGA about this? The last conversation I had with EVGA CS when they were going to speak to the BIOS team resulted in me being ignored, never got a follow up. I've quoted Jacob on this forum, and was ignored.
 
This BIOS works to get this card drawing up to 430w, but I'd very much like EVGA to fix their BIOS and make it so we don't need to use an MSI BIOS on our EVGA card. Given the wattage monster that is Metro Exodus, that 20w extra up to 450w would be even better, but I would take a small win with EVGA releasing a 430w BIOS.
 
edit - Power supply power usage has shown a spike to 700w in/652w out whilst playing Metro
 

 
I'm beginning to think this BIOS is allowing the card to draw more than 430w, as I cannot "find" what else would be causing me to see a spike to 700w. Around 600w power in is what I used to see on the EVGA bios. Maybe a little more. Nothing else in my build has changed since I made this topic. Even giving my old pictures in this topic some breathing space past 600w to 610~615w, that's still 80w extra now.
 
I guess I'm questioning whether or not the MSI BIOS sets a 430w limit or if, by chance, it just happens to interact in a way with this EVGA 3080 that it essentially sets no power limit and lets the card draw whatever it can. Safe, in theory, unless there is no balancing protection on any pin and it's a free for all lol. My card isn't getting any hotter than 42~44 degrees playing Metro on this BIOS, but I guess I should open my case side panel and check how hot the pins are.
 
Another reason why EVGA need to look at this and figure out why a 430w MSI BIOS is "unlocking" power draw on this card past 400w.

After reading your posts about the MSI bios I decided to try it on my 3080 12GB FTW3 card. With the normal bios it will draw 450W under heavy load such as furmark but under normal loads only around 420W. With the MSI Suprim X bios I measured the current on each 8 pin supply with a clamp meter while running furmark and found that it was drawing 163W, 225W, and 83W from input 1,2, and 3 and software reported 63W from the PCIe slot for a total of 534W! As a comparison with the normal EVGA bios I read 135W, 188W, 84W from inputs 1,2,3 and 47W from PCIe slot for a total of 454W. The card will also draw more power under normal use with the MSI bios pulling around 480W instead of 420 in benchmarks.
 

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No, you can't flash a bios with a different device ID. (which is different between the 10GB and 12GB bios).

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No, you can't flash a bios with a different device ID. (which is different between the 10GB and 12GB bios).

Thought as much! I do know from accidentally trying to flash a non-LHR 10GB bios to my card it just flat out refused to accept it, even with -6 in NVflash.
 
I guess the concern now is if the MSI BIOS just causes all EVGA cards to draw all the extra power through pin #2 lol. What are pins supposed to be max rated for, like 185w?

Well the spec is 150w, but contrary to some opinions, I've found they can easily handle 200w or more as long as you have good cables.