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2019/01/11 06:28:09 (permalink)
So now that these cards have been shown at CES.. What is the expected drop date? 
What was the story with the 1080TI Kingpin after it was revealed? a week? Two weeks?
Anyone know anything about preorders :)?
Who wants my money....come on EVGA Sales TALK!
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/01/11 06:52:58 (permalink)
    It was over a month and a half from reveal to launch for the 1080ti if I am not mistaken. They will not rush the launch, because the engineers need to do a lot of verifications prior to launch day.

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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/01/11 07:04:15 (permalink)
    Oh damn that's a long time...
    I read somewhere that MSI lightning Z will be out on 22nd... who know...
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 06:42:33 (permalink)
    Gonna be pointless buying one of these. By the time it comes out we'll be a few months away from nvidias next wallet emptying 2180 or whatever they're gonna call it. I went with the lightning z. Although buildzoid didn't seem particularly impressed. Its beating most of the other 2080ti's (galax excluded) all for less than a ftw3. 
    post edited by AdamB170 - 2019/02/07 07:38:12
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 07:12:24 (permalink)
    Unless you are an extreme LN2 overclocker, there is no point to the kingpin cards.

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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 07:47:04 (permalink)
    Vince himself posted some overclocks he achieved recently. Its a bit disappointing actually because someone with a lightning z achieved higher clocks and currently nothing is coming close to the galax cards. Hopefully with some more time they can figure it out.
     
    I DONT believe its pointless. A lot of ppl have been touting that on this forum but you might as well say the ultra and ftw3 is pointless then while your at it.
     
    It WILL achieve higher clocks on air and water, thats something ppl will look for and gladly pay a premium.
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 07:59:40 (permalink)
    1 very good reason for a kingpin or lightning z is the 3 power connectors. "2080 ti's can pull 400w from the wall with just a mild oc. I've seen mine spike up to that anyhoo. Don't know how accurate gpu-z is but 2 power inputs are just stupid on these cards. 2 x 150w + 75w pcie leaves zero headroom. All 2080 ti's should have 3 power connectors. Edit I now know a power connector can handle way over 150w. So basically ignore my comment as I can't delete it lol.
    post edited by AdamB170 - 2019/02/07 05:27:58
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 08:04:54 (permalink)
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    Vince himself posted some overclocks he achieved recently. Its a bit disappointing actually because someone with a lightning z achieved higher clocks and currently nothing is coming close to the galax cards. Hopefully with some more time they can figure it out.
     
    I DONT believe its pointless. A lot of ppl have been touting that on this forum but you might as well say the ultra and ftw3 is pointless then while your at it.
     
    It WILL achieve higher clocks on air and water, thats something ppl will look for and gladly pay a premium.


    I've got a lightning z and have been keeping a close eye on the 3d mark scores. Kingpin seems to be getting 200mhz more than gunslinger who is the MSI guy. Buildzoid did a breakdown of the lightning z and wasn't impressed. I'm not an ln 2 guy just a gamer though. My lightning z with a +100 clock and +1000 memory just got me 9433 in fire strike ultra which Isn't bad for a card that costs less than a ftw3!
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 08:28:46 (permalink)
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    Vince himself posted some overclocks he achieved recently. Its a bit disappointing actually because someone with a lightning z achieved higher clocks and currently nothing is coming close to the galax cards. Hopefully with some more time they can figure it out.
     
    I DONT believe its pointless. A lot of ppl have been touting that on this forum but you might as well say the ultra and ftw3 is pointless then while your at it.
     
    It WILL achieve higher clocks on air and water, thats something ppl will look for and gladly pay a premium.


    The Ultra is just a thicker cooler, nothing to do with the pcb on any card.

    The FTW3 provides upgraded VRM, but not targeted at ln2, so it can’t be considered pointless when compared to a card that is actually targeted for ln2 overclocking.

    It is NOT guaranteed to have higher clocks. The 1080ti was only guaranteed to overclock to 2025mhz by K|ngp|n and EVGA, which was a pretty normal overclock for all cards, including the most basic versions. The stock Base/Boost clocks were still “low” for the product being sold on air/hybrid/water.

    It will have a higher base/boost clock than the FTW3, but GPU boost almost always negates base/boost clocks unless the core is just overall a dud.

    The pictures Vince posted are just the beginning. There will plenty of changes and work completed on getting everything better and faster, especially with proper cooling.

    If you look at Vince’s Port Royal benchmark, you can see he is running the test in SLI, with the cards at 2550mhz and a 9980xe at 5.7 ghz https://www.3dmark.com/pr/31782

    Comparing his score to the next closest score, posted by Rauf, the Galax cards are at 2600 MHz. Unfortunately, the tests are not direct comparisons because Rauf is using a 9900k at 6.7 ghz. There is no other Galax card to challenge the lightning or K|ngp|n at the top of the sli HOF currently, which is unfortunate. For a 9900k versus a 9980xe, and a 100mhz GPU clock difference, this system holds a strong chance. https://www.3dmark.com/pr/32881

    A direct comparison comes with GunSlinger in 4th place. Same CPU and CPU overclock, also running two MSI 2080ti’s (guessing lightning, but he didn’t put the exact model). The MSI cards are at 2415mhz, and the score is nearly (not quite) 1,000 points lower. https://www.3dmark.com/pr/30435

    For direct comparison, the MSI cards are publicly available, and have no more testing to completed technically, unless there is a new revision later, and they are already being outpaced by a card that is essentially in its alpha state still.

    Vince also tends to test offline. He doesn’t typically upload every result as they come out like some folks do when testing on air/water. He has to take everything from the offline side of the house, and cross load it to get the result validated, so there is still a lot to come with the K|ngp|n cards that just isn’t available to the public yet.

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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 09:25:53 (permalink)
    https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/fire+strike+3dmark+score+ultra+preset/version+1.1/1+gpu
     
    Yeah, get in there. I'm 98 in the hall of fame lol. +100 clock + 1000 memory on me lightning z. adamdrums he he.
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 15:09:17 (permalink)
    The kingpin is an amazing card. And i dont believe the Msi 2080ti Lightning is available publically yet! Or atleast I cannot find it!
     
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 15:57:46 (permalink)
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    The kingpin is an amazing card. And i dont believe the Msi 2080ti Lightning is available publically yet! Or atleast I cannot find it!
     


    Had my lightning about a week now. Tbh I really wanted the EVGA but I think it's going to be really hard to get one. As soon as it's released they'll be gone I reckon.
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 15:58:46 (permalink)
    Where did you get the lightning? Because im showing it nowhere!
     
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 16:00:45 (permalink)
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    Where did you get the lightning? Because im showing it nowhere!
     


    UK £1425 which puts it £75 cheaper than a ftw3 :-)
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 16:35:26 (permalink)
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    Where did you get the lightning? Because im showing it nowhere!
     


    UK £1425 which puts it £75 cheaper than a ftw3 :-)

    What's performance like? All the YouTubers are getting results pretty similar to a good ftw3 on stock cooling.
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 16:50:57 (permalink)
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    Where did you get the lightning? Because im showing it nowhere!
     


    UK £1425 which puts it £75 cheaper than a ftw3 :-)

    What's performance like? All the YouTubers are getting results pretty similar to a good ftw3 on stock cooling.

    Glad you asked :-) I've just put +100 clock and +1000 memory and got 9486 in fire strike ultra which has put me at 97 in the hall of fame and I'm at no 90 in port royal. Most of the cards in the top 100 are galax on ln2 so it's doing pretty well on the stock bios on air. Beating a lot of titan rtx's too.
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 16:55:54 (permalink)
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    Where did you get the lightning? Because im showing it nowhere!



    UK £1425 which puts it £75 cheaper than a ftw3 :-)

    What's performance like? All the YouTubers are getting results pretty similar to a good ftw3 on stock cooling.

    Glad you asked :-) I've just put +100 clock and +1000 memory and got 9486 in fire strike ultra which has put me at 97 in the hall of fame and I'm at no 90 in port royal. Most of the cards in the top 100 are galax on ln2 so it's doing pretty well on the stock bios on air. Beating a lot of titan rtx's too.

    Nice. What's the actual clock at +100?
    Have to ask thanks to the huge variance with GPU boost 4.0 lol
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 17:02:46 (permalink)
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    Where did you get the lightning? Because im showing it nowhere!



    UK £1425 which puts it £75 cheaper than a ftw3 :-)

    What's performance like? All the YouTubers are getting results pretty similar to a good ftw3 on stock cooling.

    Glad you asked :-) I've just put +100 clock and +1000 memory and got 9486 in fire strike ultra which has put me at 97 in the hall of fame and I'm at no 90 in port royal. Most of the cards in the top 100 are galax on ln2 so it's doing pretty well on the stock bios on air. Beating a lot of titan rtx's too.

    Nice. What's the actual clock at +100?
    Have to ask thanks to the huge variance with GPU boost 4.0 lol

    It peaked at 2160 but that might have only been for half a second, other than that it's up and down as usual with gpu boost. OC3D did a good review of it. They've reviewed all the 2080 ti's apart from galax and kingpin and this was the only one they got passed 9000 in FSU and they know their stuff. I don't lol. I was just checking my card was stable in 3d mark and got myself in the hof.
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 17:03:46 (permalink)
    I was getting ready to post that +100 means nothing lol. +100 at 1800mhz isn’t impressive, so users really have GOT to put the actual clocks.

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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 17:07:10 (permalink)
    K|NGP|N -v- Rauf -v- Gunslinger
    https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/31782/pr/32881/pr/30435 Compares
    From Post https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2918216 Above.
    Intel Core i9-9900K Processor Seems to not be up to the Task Even at 6,803 MHz
    Lack of 2 x16 -v- x8 Maybe More is Better in this Case of PCIe Lanes.
    But now I know why Sajin uses Galax Graphics Bios.
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 17:19:32 (permalink)
    Yea that's pretty consistent with what I've been seeing. Pretty much on par with a good FTW3 my first one (RIP) peaked at 2160 and +1200 mem.
    And I got in before the price hike lol. Was worried I'd have buyer's remorse when the lightning came out.
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 17:24:44 (permalink)
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    I was getting ready to post that +100 means nothing lol. +100 at 1800mhz isn’t impressive, so users really have GOT to put the actual clocks.

    It passed the benchmarks with +175 but the scores weren't as good. Peak clocks mean less and less with gpu boost. A good score comes from maintaining a high consistent frame rate. You can oc a card too much. I'd rather have a card that can score in the top 100, than one that can hit 2200 and not. +100 might not sound impressive but hitting 9486 in fsu with just +100 is. This is why we have benchmarks like 3d mark. They give a much better idea of how your card is going to perform in real life than just going for max clock frequency. 
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 17:50:47 (permalink)
    Cooling being adequate the lightning isn't going to sustain it's clock better then any other card.
    I only run the free version of time spy because I'm not huge into benchmarks, and the sustained clock it measured was 2145, sometimes dropping to 2130.
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 18:40:49 (permalink)
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    Cooling being adequate the lightning isn't going to sustain it's clock better then any other card.
    I only run the free version of time spy because I'm not huge into benchmarks, and the sustained clock it measured was 2145, sometimes dropping to 2130.

    I prefer to use a bench than look at peak frequency because I think it gives a better idea how a card performs overall. Especially now in the age of gpu boost when clock speeds are up and down. Like I said I can get a much higher clock speed from my card but the overall score goes down. Trust me mate 9486 for fire strike ultra on a card straight out of the box is insane. It put's my personal card as the 98th best confirmed score in the world ever! and that's including kingpin and gunslinger etc on ln2. It's put me at 90th in the world ever for the port Royal bench. This is why I'm saying it's so impressive by literally just adding +100 and +1000 on stock bios on air. I have zero interest in peak clock frequency. It has it on my cards lcd but I changed it to just show temp. The days are gone where you can judge a gpu of its maximum clock which it may only hit for a fraction of a second. Use your free version of timespy, see what your score is. Try lowering your oc a bit and you might get a better score. Can't do any harm to try, you can always put your oc back up if the score is lower :-) 
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 19:01:21 (permalink)
    I that was after playing with it. I lowered from 2210. I don't see how lowering it would have made a difference, as the card was able to sustain 2130-2145 without going lower.
    I'm just saying for all the hype they put on the lightning z I thought it was going to be more in league with the kingpin, but it seems closer to the ftw3

    And there are plenty of evga cards ahead of you.
    Seems like you're kinda just side tracking this thread to brag and don't even really have much to brag about.
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 19:12:31 (permalink)
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    I was getting ready to post that +100 means nothing lol. +100 at 1800mhz isn’t impressive, so users really have GOT to put the actual clocks.

    It passed the benchmarks with +175 but the scores weren't as good. Peak clocks mean less and less with gpu boost. A good score comes from maintaining a high consistent frame rate. You can oc a card too much. I'd rather have a card that can score in the top 100, than one that can hit 2200 and not. +100 might not sound impressive but hitting 9486 in fsu with just +100 is. This is why we have benchmarks like 3d mark. They give a much better idea of how your card is going to perform in real life than just going for max clock frequency. 


    No clue why you quoted me here.

    You went into a long winded explanation, and has nothing to do with what I said.

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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 19:14:25 (permalink)
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    1 very good reason for a kingpin or lightning z is the 3 power connectors. "2080 ti's can pull 400w from the wall with just a mild oc. I've seen mine spike up to that anyhoo. Don't know how accurate gpu-z is but 2 power inputs are just stupid on these cards. 2 x 150w + 75w pcie leaves zero headroom. All 2080 ti's should have 3 power connectors.




    Please see here: //xdevs.com/guide/evga_2080tixc/
     
    Since it's a lot of scrolling, here's the part I'm referring to:
     
     
    This RTX 2080 Ti have both 8-pins located on top edge of the PCBA. These can provide plenty of power for any normal-condition benchmarking, stress-testing and overclocking.

    There is common misunderstanding to refer 6-pin or 8-pin MiniFit.JR connectors as fixed 75W or 150W power capable inputs.

    Nothing can be further from truth actually, as connector port itself does not define the power cap. These power levels are nothing but just the way for how NV determine capability of used board hardware to deliver high power to the voltage regulators. It’s purely imaginary specification and have nothing to do with actual power taken from connector nor power input capability. Active circuitry on PCBA after the connector is used to measure current flowing from the connector into the VRM. This enables software, driver and NV BIOS to handle GPU clocks and reduce voltages if measured power hitting programmed BIOS limit value (which can be lower or higher value than 75/150W!).

    So if we play and change circuit to adjust the calibration point, this limitation will be lifted accordingly as well. Also to make sure we are not at any physical limit of power connector itself, check Molex 26-01-3116 specifications, which have specifications both 13A per contact (16AWG wire in small connector) to 8.5A/contact (18AWG wire). This means that using common 18AWG cable, 6-pin connector specified for 17A of current (3 contacts for +12V power, 2 contacts for GND return, one contact for detect). 8-pin have 25.5A current specification (3 contacts for +12V power, 3 contacts for GND return and 2 contacts for detection). This is 204W at +12.0V level or 306W for 8-pin accordingly.

    Now when somebody tells you that 6-pin can’t provide more than 75W, you know they don’t understand the topic very well. It’s not the connector itself or cable limit the power, but active regulation of GPU/BIOS/Driver according to detection of used cables and preprogrammed limits. So how actual power measured? Will see later on detail shots of the RTX 2080 Ti PCBA.

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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 19:41:03 (permalink)
    Hey, look mate. I bought a gigabyte card that was faulty. When I exchanged it I had a choice of this card or a ftw3. This was £75 cheaper so I got this. Of course there's evga cards ahead of me. Kingpins got one for a start lol. In the top 100 most are serious oc'ers and most are at the very least using liquid cooling. Most are sub zero with ln2. I was just testing my cards stability in 3d mark and found myself in the hof so was pretty chuffed. For what it's worth I already know the evga is a better card than the msi cause it's doing better in 3d mark. Sorry if you think I'm side tracking the thread and bragging. It wasn't my intention. I originally responded to a guy asking when the lightning was being released and told him I already had one. He asked how it performed and I told him. I guess I am guilty of bragging. I was actually looking through the 3d mark results to compare kingpin and gunslinger scores and couldn't believe it when I saw my own name there. This card is the kingpins direct competitor so some people on this thread might be interested in it's performance. Sorry to have offended you. Cheers Adam. 
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 19:50:04 (permalink)
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    I was getting ready to post that +100 means nothing lol. +100 at 1800mhz isn’t impressive, so users really have GOT to put the actual clocks.

    It passed the benchmarks with +175 but the scores weren't as good. Peak clocks mean less and less with gpu boost. A good score comes from maintaining a high consistent frame rate. You can oc a card too much. I'd rather have a card that can score in the top 100, than one that can hit 2200 and not. +100 might not sound impressive but hitting 9486 in fsu with just +100 is. This is why we have benchmarks like 3d mark. They give a much better idea of how your card is going to perform in real life than just going for max clock frequency. 


    No clue why you quoted me here.

    You went into a long winded explanation, and has nothing to do with what I said.

    Sorry when you said +100 means nothing I assumed you were referring to something I had just said. Apologies
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    Re: 2080ti Kingpin release date 2019/02/06 19:52:29 (permalink)
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    1 very good reason for a kingpin or lightning z is the 3 power connectors. "2080 ti's can pull 400w from the wall with just a mild oc. I've seen mine spike up to that anyhoo. Don't know how accurate gpu-z is but 2 power inputs are just stupid on these cards. 2 x 150w + 75w pcie leaves zero headroom. All 2080 ti's should have 3 power connectors.




    Please see here: //xdevs.com/guide/evga_2080tixc/
     
    Since it's a lot of scrolling, here's the part I'm referring to:
     
     
    This RTX 2080 Ti have both 8-pins located on top edge of the PCBA. These can provide plenty of power for any normal-condition benchmarking, stress-testing and overclocking.

    There is common misunderstanding to refer 6-pin or 8-pin MiniFit.JR connectors as fixed 75W or 150W power capable inputs.

    Nothing can be further from truth actually, as connector port itself does not define the power cap. These power levels are nothing but just the way for how NV determine capability of used board hardware to deliver high power to the voltage regulators. It’s purely imaginary specification and have nothing to do with actual power taken from connector nor power input capability. Active circuitry on PCBA after the connector is used to measure current flowing from the connector into the VRM. This enables software, driver and NV BIOS to handle GPU clocks and reduce voltages if measured power hitting programmed BIOS limit value (which can be lower or higher value than 75/150W!).

    So if we play and change circuit to adjust the calibration point, this limitation will be lifted accordingly as well. Also to make sure we are not at any physical limit of power connector itself, check Molex 26-01-3116 specifications, which have specifications both 13A per contact (16AWG wire in small connector) to 8.5A/contact (18AWG wire). This means that using common 18AWG cable, 6-pin connector specified for 17A of current (3 contacts for +12V power, 2 contacts for GND return, one contact for detect). 8-pin have 25.5A current specification (3 contacts for +12V power, 3 contacts for GND return and 2 contacts for detection). This is 204W at +12.0V level or 306W for 8-pin accordingly.

    Now when somebody tells you that 6-pin can’t provide more than 75W, you know they don’t understand the topic very well. It’s not the connector itself or cable limit the power, but active regulation of GPU/BIOS/Driver according to detection of used cables and preprogrammed limits. So how actual power measured? Will see later on detail shots of the RTX 2080 Ti PCBA.



    Yeah, I'm going to try to delete that. Literally 5 minutes after I put it up I watched buildzoid review a lightning 1080ti and he said each cable can manage way over 150w. Cheers.
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