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2019/06/18 09:15:08 (permalink)
Hi guys,
 
Quick few Qs. My choice is between the 2080 Ti XC Ultra Gaming and the 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Gaming.
 
  1. I'm concerned that the FTW3 might be considerably louder than the XC Ultra, which I've heard is pretty quiet?
  2. Both cards seem very similar performance-wise in stock config. (only 1-2% difference), so I assume the price difference is down to the FTW3 stretching its legs when overclocked?
  3. Does overclocking the card void the warranty (will be taking the 10 year one)?
  4. I understand that the XC's fans will not spin at all under low loads, is that the same for the FTW3?
Any thoughts on the two appreciated.
 
Thanks.
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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/06/18 09:24:36 (permalink)
    Hi
     
    I own a XC Ultra (trying to sell though) and a FTW3 Hybird (So not exactly what you are referring to but) so I may have some input.
     
    1. The FTW3 from what I have seen, is not any louder and may even be a bit quieter due to there being more fans allowing them to be spinning slower for similar performance. But I suppose if they were were running at the same speed the FTW3 would be louder.
     
    2. Yes you are paying for a custom PCB with upgraded VRMs and sensors. This allows for a higher power limit, which translates to potentially higher overclocks. But this is also limited by the chip which you get on your card. For example, both my FTW3 and XC Ultra can do about ~2055-2070 while gaming. The difference is that the XC Ultra is achieving it with less power and not using watercooling (So the core is at a higher temp).
     
    3. As long as you are not flashing a custom bios or doing anything too crazy with the card, you shouldn't be voiding the warranty. Warranty also transfers from used cards as well if you wanted to go that route.
     
    4. Not 100% sure, but I believe it depends on which bios you have it set to. The normal bios should not spin the fans when it is at idle, but the oc bios will always have them spinning
     
    Hope that helps!
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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/06/18 12:29:40 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info there, Nighthawk7397.
     
    According to the TechPowerUp reviews, the XC Ultra produces 35 dBA (gaming load) vs 38 for the FTW3, which increases further to 40 dBA when running the OC bios (whilst 35 vs 38/40 sounds minor, they state that 'human hearing perception is a bit different, and it is generally accepted that a 10 dBA increase doubles the perceived sound level'). They note that gaming noise is 'a bit high,' and louder than the FE cards.
     
    XC Ultra: 
    FTW3: 
     
    The XC Ultra appears to be hands down the better card from a noise perspective. The FTW3 runs cooler, but the XC Ultra is already pretty decent in that department. Non OC'd performance is close to identical at 4K, 0-2%, so it would seem that at stock it's a choice between quieter operation vs cooler running (I think the FTW3 uses more power too)...
    Watching the JayzTwoCents review where he overclocks the card, the FTW3 shows substantial gains of around 12% (8-18% min/max) over a stock XC Ultra. I'm not really a fan of overclocking as worry about reducing longevity of the parts, plus system stability is very important to me, but 12% is 12%... If that's stable and covered by warranty (which I can increase to 10 years), well, I'm a little tempted. The FTW3 is substantially longer than the XC Ultra; it'd fit my case, but would sit very close to a large intake fan (blowing air right across it is good, but I wonder if, so close, it might affect the operation of the end card fan).
     
    How'd you find the XC Ultra by the way, and why are you selling it?
     
    Thanks.
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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/06/18 14:16:14 (permalink)
    If you want all the bells and whistles and a better probability of a better OCer?  It's the FTW3.  If you want cooler temps and possibly quieter operations, it's the FTW3 Hybrid.

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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/06/18 14:28:06 (permalink)
    Thanks Jack, choice is between the XC Ultra and the FTW3 3-fan model though; I don't want to go with water.
     
    If I found the FTW3 a bit loud under default settings would it be possible to set a slower RMP fan profile via software? Temp-wise it looks to have headroom for this.
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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/06/18 14:47:57 (permalink)
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    Thanks Jack, choice is between the XC Ultra and the FTW3 3-fan model though; I don't want to go with water.
     
    If I found the FTW3 a bit loud under default settings would it be possible to set a slower RMP fan profile via software? Temp-wise it looks to have headroom for this.




    You could lower the Temp and or Power Targets so your fans don't have to ramp up high depending on your situational and environmental temps.

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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/06/19 02:55:27 (permalink)
    The XC Ultra has an idle temp of 50°C with a load temp 71°C and produces 35 dBA noise when gaming.
    The FTW3 Ultra has an idle temp of 42°C with load at 64°C (62°C OC BIOS) and produces 38 dBA noise when gaming (40 dBA OC BIOS).
     
    Would it be possible/desirable to run the FTW3 at a similar temp to the XC Ultra, and thus match the lower 35 dBA noise levels? I'm not familiar with EVGA's software, but presumably this is what Jack Bauer (previous post) suggests using to achieve this? Is it easy/safe and do the settings stick?
     
    At what temp to the fans kick in (assuming both are off at low loads), I had heard this was 60°C?
     
    I'm torn between these two cards and have to make a decision today.
     
    Thanks
    post edited by Robert_Stevens - 2019/06/19 04:16:34
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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/06/19 06:06:44 (permalink)
    Could someone please confirm the exact length of the 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra? Officially it's listed as 301.925 mm, but when I line an image of the back plate up against an image of my motherboard (matching the PCIe slot location) it appears as though that measurement might not include the plastic shroud. My case's max GPU length is 314 mm, so not got much to play with!
     
    Thanks.
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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/06/19 11:20:58 (permalink)
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    Could someone please confirm the exact length of the 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra? Officially it's listed as 301.925 mm, but when I line an image of the back plate up against an image of my motherboard (matching the PCIe slot location) it appears as though that measurement might not include the plastic shroud. My case's max GPU length is 314 mm, so not got much to play with!
     
    Thanks.


     
    Which case are we talking about but regardless, you should be ok if you have that much room to play with.
     
    Here's a image for reference.  FTW3 is taller even though the both coolers on both cards are triple slot.

    XC Ultra (Left)  FTW3 (Right)



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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/06/19 16:08:28 (permalink)
    Thanks, Jack - I think the card should fit OK.
     
    If anyone has any thoughts on the XC Ultra vs the FTW3 I'd really love to hear them, specifically in terms of noise levels and power draw (I know the latter draws more power, but unsure how much of a difference that makes).
     
    Given the two choices and ignoring the price difference, which card would you choose?
    post edited by Robert_Stevens - 2019/06/19 17:21:28
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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/06/20 09:35:45 (permalink)
    Hi sorry for the delay, I switched from the XC Ultra to the FTW3 because I found a good deal on one which was similar price to my XC Ultra and wanted to try one with the hybrid kit. Overall, the hybrid kit was the real reason to switch in my opinion. I was already very happy with the performance of the XC Ultra and the temps never really got higher than like 74 in stress tests. I never thought the card was too loud, and I had it next to my head on my desk. I think if they were the same price, then get the ftw3. But I am not sure I could advocate an extra $250 for the FTW3 unless you need the features or really want to try and push high overclocks.
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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/06/20 14:03:31 (permalink)
    Thanks, Nighthawk.
     
    The price difference is £50, with a £250 reduction on the FTW3 Ultra, making it £1,150. I have paid for both cards due to the low (for RTX!) pricing, but will only be keeping one, thus I don't have forever to think about this. When spending in excess of £1,100, £50 isn't a lot, hence why I say to ignore the price - which is the best?
     
    Stock performance seems close to identical between the two, and I'm not 100% sure whether I'd overclock it or not (which seems to be the primary advantage of the FTW3 Ultra). My main concern with going with the FTW3 Ultra is that some reviews state that it's loud (or louder at least than the XC Ultra), but others on YouTube seem to say it runs quiet with the fans hardly ever spinning up... Additionally, I can't seem to find 100% confirmation that the fans don't spin at all under load either, as I believe to be the case with the XC Ultra. I'm also not sure how much of a difference the added power consumption would make to the electricity bill, presumably very little, but I really have no idea...
     
    Am tempted towards the FTW3 Ultra with it being the flagship (on air, at least) and all the other part of the system are top spec, especially with there being close to nothing in it price-wise, but if it's louder then I'm probably just being silly and would be better off sticking with the XC Ultra.
     
    Hopefully a FTW3 Ultra owner will chime in at some point...
     
    Thanks again.
     
    EDIT: Something I don't quite get is a lot of reviews refer to the 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra as a $1,350 card, but as far as I can see it retails for $1,499.99 (on the EVGA site) and £1,399.99 in the UK (P/N: 11G-P4-2487-KR). Did the price go up since release?
    post edited by Robert_Stevens - 2019/06/20 14:21:36
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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/06/20 15:26:41 (permalink)
    There's two versions of FTW3.  One comes with a higher base clock.

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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/06/21 00:14:43 (permalink)
    AFAIK, the two FTW3 (air-only) versions are differentiated by the base clock and whether they are the 'Ultra' model or not, with the Ultra variant having the much thicker cooler (quiet/cool operation is important to me so going with this version is a no-brainer).
     
    The two I'm deciding between:
     
    • 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Gaming (11G-P4-2487-KR) - 1755 MHz Boost Clock
    • 2080 Ti XC Ultra Gaming (11G-P4-2383-KR) - 1650 MHz Boost Clock
     
    There is an XC2 Ultra model as well, which I think adds extra sensors, but that's not an option for me (none in my system builder's inventory). As far as I can tell, the higher boost clock of the FTW3 (above) delivers close to zero performance gains in real-world usage, 0-2%, which is a shame. Logic says to go with the XC Ultra as it's smaller, consumes less power and I know it's quiet, but with them being the same price, or close enough, and the FTW3 Ultra originally being a lot more, I'm somewhat tempted to go with the flagship.
     
    As said, it'd be really great if an FTW3 Ultra owner could help out here.
     
    If it's of relevance, a summary of my (yet to be build, but ordered) system:
     
    Case: SilverStone Temjin TJ11
    Motherboard: ASUS Maximus XI Extreme
    CPU: Intel i9 9900K
    CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15
    Memory: 64 GB (4x16GB) Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 MHz
    Graphics Card: EVGA GeForce RTX2080 Ti XC Ultra / RTX2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra
    PSU: Seasonic PRIME Ultra 850 W 80+ Titanium
    Operating System: Windows 10 Pro High End 64-Bit 
     
    As mentioned previously the FTW3 model would have 1-2 cm clearance from one of the 2 180 mm main intake fans. I will be running a 4K display, so that's the only resolution I care about.
     
    If anyone can help here I'd really appreciate it.
     
    Thanks.
    post edited by Robert_Stevens - 2019/06/21 00:56:03
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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/11/07 00:15:50 (permalink)
    Nice information in this thread. Curious to know what did you get in the end ? 
     
     
    I am in this delima for quite some time now. usually I like to own FTW3 models but with RTX cards, FTW3 is considerably bigger than previous 1080 Ti FTW3. So I am thinking of 2080 Ti XC  Dual slot. On newegg, XC is 270$ cheaper... So I think XC is a better option for me. Do you think performance difference between XC and FTW3 worth 270$ ?
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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/11/07 05:41:31 (permalink)
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    Nice information in this thread. Curious to know what did you get in the end ? 
     
     
    I am in this delima for quite some time now. usually I like to own FTW3 models but with RTX cards, FTW3 is considerably bigger than previous 1080 Ti FTW3. So I am thinking of 2080 Ti XC  Dual slot. On newegg, XC is 270$ cheaper... So I think XC is a better option for me. Do you think performance difference between XC and FTW3 worth 270$ ?




    Only if you want every benchmarking point possible otherwise for gaming, they'll all perform the same.  Maybe a few FPS difference at best.

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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/11/07 14:08:01 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info Jack. let's see if I can wait on a R* miracle and add SLI support to RDR2, otherwise, I'll get a 2080 Ti to play it. 3440x1440 on ultra just brings my 1080 Ti on its knees.
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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/11/07 15:38:04 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the info Jack. let's see if I can wait on a R* miracle and add SLI support to RDR2, otherwise, I'll get a 2080 Ti to play it. 3440x1440 on ultra just brings my 1080 Ti on its knees.




    Have been very happy with my XC, with the stock cooler it should be in the low-mid 70's at 130% power, with aggressive fans and good case airflow.  April-ish build came with Samsung memory.  Stable at 2100mhz gaming with a hybrid kit around 50-55C.
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    Re: 2080 Ti XC Ultra vs FTW3 Ultra (fan noise and other Qs)? 2019/11/13 11:47:05 (permalink)
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    Nice information in this thread. Curious to know what did you get in the end ? 
     
     
    I am in this delima for quite some time now. usually I like to own FTW3 models but with RTX cards, FTW3 is considerably bigger than previous 1080 Ti FTW3. So I am thinking of 2080 Ti XC  Dual slot. On newegg, XC is 270$ cheaper... So I think XC is a better option for me. Do you think performance difference between XC and FTW3 worth 270$ ?


    I went with the 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra - though for me the price difference was only £50.
     
    Been very happy with it so far.
     
    I don't quite remember right now (so please check yourself!), but I seem to recall the Ultra models were said to run much quieter than the non-Ultra variants. The card is silent (fans don't spin) in Windows and some relatively un-demanding games, which coupled with an NH-D15 on the 9900K make the PC super quiet.
     
    I'll be picking up RDR2 soon myself; it looks really great. Slightly annoying to have to make some compromises to get a smooth frame rate at 4K with top of the line hardware, but oh well!
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