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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/12 08:15:59
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EVGA doesn’t make or lose money on the promotions held by nvidia. I have no clue why the price increased, but it has nothing to do with the games.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/12 08:18:36
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As of right now it's still for sale @1099. Good job to everyone talking with their wallets.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/12 08:59:59
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EVGA doesn’t make or lose money on the promotions held by nvidia. I have no clue why the price increased, but it has nothing to do with the games.
I also seems to have nothing to do with Nvidia, as the FE price hasn't changed.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/12 09:25:49
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EVGA doesn’t make or lose money on the promotions held by nvidia. I have no clue why the price increased, but it has nothing to do with the games.
I also seems to have nothing to do with Nvidia, as the FE price hasn't changed.
Wasn’t nvidia already charging $200 extra from day 1?
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/12 11:41:31
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The funny thing is, it was never in stock @ $999 (Or at least I couldn't hit it in time). Then magically it went up to $1099 and became in stock. Maybe it is a revised version? or do they change the model number. I can't believe I paid these ridiculous prices. The last card I bought was in 2014 GTX780 $529.00 / 2009 GTX285 $435, / 2008 8800GTS $289 / now the ??80 cards are a grand. I wont say it's inflation at that rate. Time to get a new Hobby, as I already have to many expensive hobbies. At least the others don't lose value like PC Components. I make my hardware last as long as I can. the 780 just can't do enough frames at decent settings 1080P in the last year. Mainly due to 3GB or vRam card is at 100% all the time. I will note, that this card had better frame rate at 1920x1200 maybe because my CPU was taking on some load. I should get 100-200 FPS now to take advantage of the 144HZ As far as tariffs go that will help shift some jobs back to US economy, I don't mind that. It would cost a US company much more to ship the other way. If it helps our economy, and create jobs, I'm okay with the price increase. But the entire price of Nvidia cards seems lunar.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/12 12:41:33
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EVGA doesn’t make or lose money on the promotions held by nvidia. I have no clue why the price increased, but it has nothing to do with the games.
I also seems to have nothing to do with Nvidia, as the FE price hasn't changed.
Wasn’t nvidia already charging $200 extra from day 1?
Yes they were …. But that's because its an a-chip with higher pl available I think their intention which is crappy would be to have lesser chips at the suppose 999.00 launch price we never saw .. then we did shortly and now boom tack on 100.00 for someone at evga to buy a few thousand leather jackets I guess ….lol Everyone including evga is now a savage every dollar for themselves they can collect they will... I will say I own one I grabbed for 999 and it is not worth a dollar more... my 2 cents
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/12 13:26:11
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Quite a few people showed that the Black (Non A) chip can overclock to the nearly the same exact performance of the higher cost chips. Many of the higher costs chips across all manufacturers have also shown to perform below the lower cost chips.
I usually buy a GPU shortly after release, and I avoided even the lower cost chip because I never thought the price was justified by the performance. Nvidia should have released 2 cards themselves instead of dumping that responsibility on the partners.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/13 03:40:03
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Quite a few people showed that the Black (Non A) chip can overclock to the nearly the same exact performance of the higher cost chips. Many of the higher costs chips across all manufacturers have also shown to perform below the lower cost chips.
I usually buy a GPU shortly after release, and I avoided even the lower cost chip because I never thought the price was justified by the performance. Nvidia should have released 2 cards themselves instead of dumping that responsibility on the partners.
Yep. That's what helped me pull the trigger is hearing those under water get great clocks out of the box. All it is is a reference GPU as it was in the past based on silicon lottery. Some will get lucky but others won't. I think being in liquid cooling you have an advantage versus on air meaning, the 'low end GPUs' say non A-Chips might be horrible on air but shine under water since they're more demanding versus say $300-$400 A-Chip on air since it can handle it better. Also, I'am really curious if the RAM went from Micron to Samsung so if anyone buys a new GPU since the price increases, a shot of the PCB up close would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/13 06:22:14
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The funny thing is, it was never in stock @ $999 (Or at least I couldn't hit it in time). Then magically it went up to $1099 and became in stock.
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Time to get a new Hobby, as I already have to many expensive hobbies. At least the others don't lose value like PC Components.
Same thing here, waiting patiently... But at the end of the day the $ 1099 also sold out, so people silently accept the abuse. So I bought the 2080 black ($699) before the prices goes up too and a new FPV racing drone. As you said, we already have many expensive hobbies. The other consequence of not getting a 2080TI for a fair price was to cancel the purchase of the 9900K and switch to a 2700X, saving about ~300.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/13 06:37:50
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Quite a few people showed that the Black (Non A) chip can overclock to the nearly the same exact performance of the higher cost chips. Many of the higher costs chips across all manufacturers have also shown to perform below the lower cost chips.
I usually buy a GPU shortly after release, and I avoided even the lower cost chip because I never thought the price was justified by the performance. Nvidia should have released 2 cards themselves instead of dumping that responsibility on the partners.
I agree it is really nvidias fault for the whole 2 chips design.. However they saw an opportunity however from what evga started with your binning practice of cards awhile ago .. Guess who saw that there was money left on the table and bang they wanted it... Still does not explain your price increase .. Tariffs did not affect anything else yet.. Also you can get lucky getting a good non-a chip[ but rare .. Also could you guys give us a 120 pl bios without a overclock on it so nvidia can't get mad but we can get the full use of our 999.00 cards that don't perform as good as they should for 999.00 Please and thanks I get no response I have asked nicely a few times??
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/13 06:50:12
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The power limit bios would be at NVidia's mercy. NVidia has to approve every bios that is going onto their cards. IF EVGA is not posting a new bios with higher power limits, then more than likely NVidia isn't approving the bios or the changes. EVGA and NVidia also only guarantee performance to the level advertised by the base clocks and boost clock on the product page that they are selling. Overclocking is never guaranteed, and the extra power limit should not be required to meet the advertised speeds. NVidia has never advertised that they will bump power limits at customers request, unfortunately.
I keep noticing people state that the tariffs haven't affected anything else, yet...The tariffs would not affect anything that was already in the warehouse, only the items that are received after the tariffs were implemented. Out of all of the 2070s, only two models are out of stock.. out of all of the 2080's, only two models are also out of stock. Only the 2080ti stays sold out consistently. As stock would be coming in, the tariffs would affect that, so stating that the tariffs haven't affected anything else makes perfect sense, IF that is why there was an increase. I honestly have no idea why the price went up $100 dollars though.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/13 07:05:43
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The power limit bios would be at NVidia's mercy. NVidia has to approve every bios that is going onto their cards. IF EVGA is not posting a new bios with higher power limits, then more than likely NVidia isn't approving the bios or the changes. EVGA and NVidia also only guarantee performance to the level advertised by the base clocks and boost clock on the product page that they are selling. Overclocking is never guaranteed, and the extra power limit should not be required to meet the advertised speeds. NVidia has never advertised that they will bump power limits at customers request, unfortunately.
I keep noticing people state that the tariffs haven't affected anything else, yet...The tariffs would not affect anything that was already in the warehouse, only the items that are received after the tariffs were implemented. Out of all of the 2070s, only two models are out of stock.. out of all of the 2080's, only two models are also out of stock. Only the 2080ti stays sold out consistently. As stock would be coming in, the tariffs would affect that, so stating that the tariffs haven't affected anything else makes perfect sense, IF that is why there was an increase. I honestly have no idea why the price went up $100 dollars though.
It will be interesting to see the prices in March when the tariffs hit. They are having good talks right now though so maybe not at all.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/13 07:22:27
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Hopefully the tariffs go away. It would be better to refine a good trade deal for both parties.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/13 12:43:51
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Hopefully the tariffs go away. It would be better to refine a good trade deal for both parties.
I agree hopefully we make a good trade deal everyone's happy and no tariffs.. Also thanks for answering on the bios nvidia blocking thing... first response I have gotten
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/13 13:00:34
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I agree hopefully we make a good trade deal everyone's happy and no tariffs..
Also thanks for answering on the bios nvidia blocking thing... first response I have gotten
I miss the days where we could load a bios of our choosing and we could edit our own bios’ to increase power limit as wel as fan speeds. I wish we could get more control back, but alas, NVidia controls the firmware pretty well for the cards that we buy these days.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/15 18:42:04
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Those Asus Strix Cards are looking good over at New Egg. Think I might pick one of those up. EVGA just hasn't had the right card, price or place for me this round. I want the excellent CS, but buying a card from them just isn't working this round.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/15 20:15:07
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It wouldn't surprise me if it was to make up for the losses with all the RMAs.
Selling devices at premium prices didn't work for Apple, and it won't work for Nvidia in the long run.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/15 20:22:50
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It wouldn't surprise me if it was to make up for the losses with all the RMAs.
Selling devices at premium prices didn't work for Apple, and it won't work for Nvidia in the long run.
Well, Apple had people fooled into believing those products were actually worth the extra money. Nvidia has no one fooled and is doing it because there is no competition. At least Apple was building sheep. Nvidia is just pissing people off. The difference is that Apple created loyalty, Nvidia customers are now just waiting for competitors to come along and make something better.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/01/16 04:58:00
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I don't find our two 2080Ti Black's terrible by any means. My son's is slightly faster, clocking to +200 and +750. Mine clocks to +190 and +700. Heat has not been an issue. We bought at $999 but I do believe I would have bought at $1099 if need be. He may not have paid the increase. We were both coming from GTX 970's and i7 920's with Classified MB's so.... No regrets at all.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/10/21 04:22:45
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5-600 for a top tier card is not realistic, not when using the previous generation as an example. The 1080 ti was an anomaly the nvidia cranked out as a result of the AMD's marketing and inevitable failure of their vega/Polaris lines.
In short the card would have either cost more or performed less if AMD hadn't had such good hype.
To the point, the 1080 Ti was underpriced for the value. That is why the 2080s cost so much. As someone said, they have no real competition, AMD is on the slack train.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/10/22 01:20:47
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Honestly, you guys are right. If people continue talking with their money and just buying these up, the prices will never drop. Just think.. next release of the 3080 Ti.. *Only $1499.99!*
It's sad because people don't understand that. Companies will robbed them for hardware, they pay 700-800$ more then regular price.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/10/22 03:52:05
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I think people complaining about the future for NVIDIA cards should look at the stock price for NVIDIA during the 10XX series until the launch of the 20XX series. That graph really shows a good story and it wasn't until the supply of 10XX cards ran out and the release of the Super cards that we saw the stock really climb back up. That will really play an important role in the future for NVIDIA graphics cards. I also feel that the next generation will have less hurdle for NVIDIA to show the value of ray tracing. At the time the 20XX series launched no games supported it. Now it's over a dozen and by the next generation of cards it will justify it being a feature to look at having.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/10/22 04:56:37
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I'm just glad the price/value of my $1000++ card hasn't cratered in a few months, unlike memory and SSD prices.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/10/22 06:33:09
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For price of fabric overclocked RTX2080Ti people can buy most famous Parka jacket on planet used by Canadian rescue service and scientists on Antarctic.
With warmest materian from goose feather and synethetic exterior to protect from water, with real Coyote fur.
You see them in Hooliwood movies... RTX2080Ti cost as best parkas on planet, made in Canada or Italian Alpes.
Moncler or Canada Goose. I don't need to talk about them if you look movies with winter condition and such form of jackets you see them.
Such clothes you buy once when you have 20 years second time when you have 40 years and that's it.
RTX2080Ti outdated for 3-4 years reach such price.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/10/22 19:34:02
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First world problems  Not everyone wants a lower tiered card, some want the best even if it's 20 more fps, or some would rather pimp their rig than buy a parka, or whatever, they want what they want, and that's good for Nvidia EVGA and those they hire in the USA, and oversees I bought what I felt I could afford, a 2080 TI XC Ultra, I paid retail... No remorse no regret! In 3 years I'll probably buy something else.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/10/22 22:15:44
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For price of fabric overclocked RTX2080Ti people can buy most famous Parka jacket on planet used by Canadian rescue service and scientists on Antarctic.
With warmest materian from goose feather and synethetic exterior to protect from water, with real Coyote fur.
You see them in Hooliwood movies... RTX2080Ti cost as best parkas on planet, made in Canada or Italian Alpes.
Moncler or Canada Goose. I don't need to talk about them if you look movies with winter condition and such form of jackets you see them.
Such clothes you buy once when you have 20 years second time when you have 40 years and that's it.
RTX2080Ti outdated for 3-4 years reach such price.
Odds are good that the parka would be replaced in 3-4 years as fashions change. While the coat would still be good and warm clothing is a self expression and I don't feel many people feel they are the same person for 20 years.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/10/23 03:29:22
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Vlada011
For price of fabric overclocked RTX2080Ti people can buy most famous Parka jacket on planet used by Canadian rescue service and scientists on Antarctic.
With warmest materian from goose feather and synethetic exterior to protect from water, with real Coyote fur.
You see them in Hooliwood movies... RTX2080Ti cost as best parkas on planet, made in Canada or Italian Alpes.
Moncler or Canada Goose. I don't need to talk about them if you look movies with winter condition and such form of jackets you see them.
Such clothes you buy once when you have 20 years second time when you have 40 years and that's it.
RTX2080Ti outdated for 3-4 years reach such price.
Odds are good that the parka would be replaced in 3-4 years as fashions change. While the coat would still be good and warm clothing is a self expression and I don't feel many people feel they are the same person for 20 years.
Parka change for 3-4 years? That's like you say M65 jacket change... Parka jackets like Canada Goose are excellent after 10 years and design is almost same. Still is available iconic model just little redesigned first Canadian wear on 1985 on Mont Everest. No they change very little over years. If you buy classic black Parka with original fur she is attractive after 15 years easy. They still sell models from 2010 and before. Parka is almost like M65 and M51, Bomber Jacket or Flying Jackets. Only different models show up but not every years, every 4-5 years. Canada Goose have increase on demand over 50% last few years. And prices of 800-1500$ are only because such demand. Before few years they were much cheaper in Canada. Simply production of graphic cards and value can't cost so much. This jacket was good before 10 years and will be for 10 years. Off course normal person will buy black color. Even manufacturer advertis them as life investment and not expect to be replaced for 5 years. 
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/10/23 03:37:41
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NVIDIA is simply abnormal with prices... Do you see what happen with Intel processors.
I can bet Cascade Lake-X 18 core would cost 2200-2300$ without AMD.
But price will be 900$. Even thats totally unreal.
Their politic is to profit 1000$ for high end products over normal profit, Intel and NVIDIA, and AMD only when chance show up.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/10/23 12:07:34
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No thanks ... not buying at these overinflated prices ... you can get a really decent gaming laptop for less than the cost of a single, top o' the line graphics card these days. Sooner of later, the GPU market "bubble" has to burst, and prices will have to fall due to decreased demand. Then, Jenson will have to switch leather jackets to cardigans 
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
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Re: 2080 Ti Black Price Increased?
2019/10/23 13:07:06
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No thanks ... not buying at these overinflated prices ... you can get a really decent gaming laptop for less than the cost of a single, top o' the line graphics card these days.
Sooner of later, the GPU market "bubble" has to burst, and prices will have to fall due to decreased demand. Then, Jenson will have to switch leather jackets to cardigans
The bottom GPU price support is crypto currency, the bubble has already burst. If GPU prices fall too far it becomes economical to mine using them, or vice-versa.
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