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2019/02/23 16:00:43 (permalink)
I was running one 2080ti ftw3 perfectly fine. Using as a CUDA compute machine. Temps never got above 70C even training taxing NN such as StyleGAN. Was amazing.
 
I recently added another 2080ti ftw3 directly below it. I can imagine this is sub-optimal but I have no other options. So with 6 slots, the top 3 are occupied by one 2080ti ftw3 and the 3 directly below are occupied by another 2080ti ftw3. There is very little space between the cards. I can get a pic if needed but just moved the machine under the desk to abate the fan noise and that is not immediately available. I understand this is the consequence of motherboard and case choice.
 
Under load, the top card is reporting P2, 88% fan, 88C. the bottom card is reporting P2, 63% fan, 67C. My EVGA CPU water cooler is now showing red LED on the logo which never happened with one card presumably because internal case temps have bumped the CPUs over 45C. This is a Linux machine so running "sensors" shows CPU cores 55C and below.
 
That NVLink is offered on 2080ti cards at 3 spacings, I'm presuming I am okay. But just asking the community: is this setup sustainable? Should I have gone with rear exhaust options? This is my first GPU compute effort and I appreciate any input or thoughts. Thanks in advance.
 
 
 
 
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    Re: 2 x 2080ti tfw3 obviously hot 2019/02/23 16:16:09 (permalink)
    Welcome to the Forum
    "Using as a CUDA compute machine." What Software?
    Maybe you can buy some Hybrid Kits and install them or even the Hydro Copper Water Block.
    But if you are saying that you are using a 3 Slot NVLink SLI Bridge then you have a Small Case and maybe even a small Motherboard.
     
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    Re: 2 x 2080ti tfw3 obviously hot 2019/02/23 17:11:11 (permalink)
    Looks like your top GPU is almost at the threshold of throttling and possibly shutdown @ 89c which is the max temp for these GPUs. 

    If budget permits and is possible with the case, I would see to get a hybrid kit for both to help keep those temps down, assuming your air flow is up to par internally.

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    Re: 2 x 2080ti tfw3 obviously hot 2019/02/24 11:34:57 (permalink)
    Or maybe a vertical cable extender
    https://www.evga.com/prod...aspx?pn=W002-00-000064
    post edited by Whitney - 2019/02/24 11:39:16
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    Re: 2 x 2080ti tfw3 obviously hot 2019/02/24 12:16:16 (permalink)
    EVGA sells a 4 slot nvlink connector. Of course your motherboard spacing needs to match.
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    Re: 2 x 2080ti tfw3 obviously hot 2019/02/24 13:02:41 (permalink)
    Ashame nvlink connectors don’t have ribbon connectors to allow for large coolers hydro kits quickly become your only option or use 4 extenders to some custom cooled side box (probably sound like a hair dryer tho)
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    Re: 2 x 2080ti tfw3 obviously hot 2019/02/24 13:33:54 (permalink)
    Hybrid cooler for the top card atleast! Bottom card is always cooler then the top.. but I guess why loose the fun with the overclocking potential of just one card running cool when the other would hold it all back. Dual hybrid coolers.. guess you should be able to afford it if ya already running 2x 2080ti cards.

    Edit: prob be easier to just do it right and go all out and do dual water blocks and slap a quad 120 rad or dual tripple 120 rads.. if ya got the room.

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    Re: 2 x 2080ti tfw3 obviously hot 2019/02/24 14:04:28 (permalink)
    With SLI, the top card is always going to run noticeably hotter. Typically, if there is not an option to add another space between the two cards, I would recommend a hybrid kit for the top card. This would allow for the top card to stay adequately cooled along with the bottom card.  Sometimes, removing the side of the case can help, but will introduce more dust into the system, and decrease airflow optimization for the case.
     
    If price / patience is not an issue, I would recommend a full, custom, water loop for the two cards. This will keep both cooled and will be quieter as well. :)
     
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    Re: 2 x 2080ti tfw3 obviously hot 2019/03/24 16:04:19 (permalink)
    Thanks all for your input. I do appreciate it. Looked in to extender ribbons (thanks again) and adding additional fans.
    Turns out a bios update dramatically increased performance, lowered temps, and ceased the intermittent reboots under GPU load that I had attributed to thermal conditions given GPU proximity.
     After the BIOS update under the same conditions, I see top card at 75C and bottom card at 55C and they are totally stable.

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    Re: 2 x 2080ti tfw3 obviously hot 2019/03/24 16:15:58 (permalink)
    full custom loop and don't look back.  I got tired of those fan noises and temps a long time ago. 

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    Re: 2 x 2080ti tfw3 obviously hot 2019/03/24 17:06:45 (permalink)
    Sorry.. yeah best thing for you is a custom loop, evga blocks for both.

    Or you may be able to add just 1 hybrid cooler to the top card.

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    Re: 2 x 2080ti tfw3 obviously hot 2019/03/24 17:21:32 (permalink)
    You also might rethink about using to Separate PCIe Power Cables for Each Graphics Card.
    For Safety I would remove the second card. 


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    Re: 2 x 2080ti tfw3 obviously hot 2019/03/24 18:27:06 (permalink)
    this really isn't sustainable, you need to atleast buy a hybrid cooler and quite possibly a power supply. definitely use one cape per input as BC said.
     
    75c should really be the max you let them see

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    Re: 2 x 2080ti tfw3 obviously hot 2019/03/24 18:40:42 (permalink)
    Not to hijack the thread but what BIOS update?  I have a 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Gaming model 11G-P4-2487-KR on BIOS 90.02.0B.40.B6.

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    Re: 2 x 2080ti tfw3 obviously hot 2019/04/12 17:32:09 (permalink)
    All, thanks for your valuable input and ehupp01 sorry for the late reply on the BIOS update:
     
    FYI: I have a Gigabyte X299 UD4 motherboard which I purchased around Jan 2019 with a BIOS version F4. My CPU (Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9800X CPU @ 3.80GHz) purchased at the same time isn't supported until BIOS version F6j according to the link below:
     

     
    I updated to F6j and now have a much more stable setup and much cooler temps (top card at 75C and bottom card at 55C) as reported earlier. The update didn't take with both GPU's in, I took them out and had a single spare GT1030 that worked for the BIOS upgrade for some reason. Once the BIOS updated I swapped the GPUs back out and all was good. Dunno what that was all about.
     
    I've also accepted the advice of commenters and used separate PCIe cables for each 8pin connection. Seems like a best practice.
     
    After the BIOS update, temps and noise are much less of an issue given exact same tasks, and I'm looking in to EVGA HYBRID Kit for EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti FTW3, 400-HY-1484-B1, RGB for the top card to further redice temps and sound. But paying a $300 premium for the FTW3 cooling system and THEN paying $170 to throw all that away and just do hybrid two months later as if I had just bought a FE is a bitter pill to swallow. Honestly, I think some nominal price break would be fair. But ultimately the purchase was my call and I'll take the hit maybe.
     
     
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    Re: 2 x 2080ti tfw3 obviously hot 2019/05/01 17:48:29 (permalink)
    Dunno if anyone is interested, But the 2080Ti Hybrid kit was well worth the $180 for the top card. Both cards now hover between 50-55C under full load. Some pump noise as reported by other threads but night and day better than before.
     
    EVGA should amend their documentation: on the 2080Ti FTW3 installation guide it shows 2x 2080TI FTW3 in a (3/4?) slot NVLink configuration. But as good as the 2.75 slot cooling solution is at radiating heat away, it is also just as good at drawing heat from the bottom card to the top card. Nobody should be running two 2080Ti FTW3 in proximity as the installation instructions suggest.
     
    It was also not awesome buying 2x 2080TI FTW3 at a premium and then adding 180 for a hybrid kit for the top card. Add 40 for Advanced RMA because the first kit ordered had no working LED, was Part Numbered for FTW3 but packaging and instructions were  for ULTRA, and when installed and troubleshooted (shot?) shorted out basic CUDA apps that ran before the kit fine (and on the other unmodified card fine as well)
     
    But I think I finally have a pretty awesome, stable, and very high end system for work and school. Many thanks to EVGA support and the EVGA community for guiding me through my first build. Much appreciated.
     
    Next stop: cable management :)
     
     

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    Re: 2 x 2080ti tfw3 obviously hot 2019/05/01 19:42:28 (permalink)
    cudadev
     
    But I think I finally have a pretty awesome, stable, and very high end system for work and school. Many thanks to EVGA support and the EVGA community for guiding me through my first build. Much appreciated.
     
    Next stop: cable management :)
     



    Glad it worked out. 

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