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2018/10/16 00:41:24 (permalink)
I mentioned this before, but hoping to get a more official answer before I decide to return my 2080's. Is there going to be a 2 slot nvlink for those of us that run matx or other cards in our system. I already have a matx build in the works but without a 2 slot nvlink it's pointless to have the 2080's.
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    Re: 2 slot NVLink 2018/10/16 05:08:20 (permalink)
    Currently we only offer 3 and 4 slot NVLink. 

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    Re: 2 slot NVLink 2018/10/16 06:29:03 (permalink)
    @seta8967  On what mATX Motherboard?
    Most Low End mATX Motherboards are set to run only One Graphics Card from what I have seen.
    But all the high end mATX Motherboards show support for 0 Slot HB SLI Support.
    So Only Old School 0-Slot HB GTX SLI Support for now.
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    Re: 2 slot NVLink 2018/10/16 06:56:50 (permalink)
    I run a Z370 micro (since no z390 micro). Isn't the z370 micro 2 slots as 2 normal cards are back to back with no space. The bottom slot is a x4.

    The x299 would work though would need to redo my setup again.
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    Re: 2 slot NVLink 2018/10/16 07:07:48 (permalink)
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    I run a Z370 micro (since no z390 micro). Isn't the z370 micro 2 slots as 2 normal cards are back to back with no space.

    Yep We are all out of luck ATM even on the X299 Micro/2 we have no NVLink SLI Bridge support ATM.
    But maybe EVGA will come out latter with a 0-Slot (2-Slot) NVLink SLI Bridge as the did for the Older HB SLI Bridges.
    Note that Jeff said "Currently"
    But then is it really practical to run Two RTX Cards on a mATX Motherboard.
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    Re: 2 slot NVLink 2018/10/16 07:45:25 (permalink)
    Old School HB SLI Bridges, why the different names is only known by EVGA.

     
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    Re: 2 slot NVLink 2018/10/16 08:52:15 (permalink)
    I thought the m.2 came off the pch instead of pulling from PCI lane 2 on the micro boards. I cannot find a definitely answer in the manual for the motherboard.
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    Re: 2 slot NVLink 2018/10/16 09:32:04 (permalink)
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    I thought the m.2 came off the pch instead of pulling from PCI lane 2 on the micro boards. I cannot find a definitely answer in the manual for the motherboard.

    Yea, it is not very clear in the Manual.
    On Z370 motherboards, the CPU and PCH are directly linked via DMI 3.0, which uses 4 lanes to provide transfer rates at up to 8 GT/s per lane. From there, the PCH allocates bandwidth to smaller PCIe slots and devices, such as M.2 Key-E, USB, audio, etc. In simplified terms, the PCH works as a hub for peripherals that are less bandwidth-intensive.
     
    11. PCIe Slot x16/x8
    PCIe x16/x8 slots are primarily for video cards. These full-length slots will provide 8 or 16 lanes of bandwidth to a full-size card, and are backwards-compatible with x8, x4, and x1-length cards.
    Coffee Lake-S Socket 1151 processors have 16 PCIe lanes available for routing.
    The 16 PCIe lanes are pulled from the CPU and shared with the x16 PCIe slot 2 (PE2). Lanes automatically switch from x16/x0 to x8/x8 when the motherboard detects a card in slot PE2.
    12. PCIe Slot x8
    PCIe x8 slots are primarily used for video cards, and share lanes from adjacent x16 slots, when populated. These full-length slots will provide 8 lanes of bandwidth to a full-size card, and are backwards-compatible with x8, x4, and x1-length cards.
    This slot is limited to a maximum of 8 lanes as it shares bandwidth with the primary PCIe x16 slot 1 (PE1). This slot is primarily recommended for secondary video cards, such as the 2nd card in a SLI configuration, or a PhysX card.
    13. PCIe Slot x4 PCIe Slot x4
    PCIe x4 slot PE3 uses up to 4 Gen 3 lanes from the PCH. This slot is typically used for sound cards, WiFi, USB, LAN or other peripheral cards.
    Using this slot will have *NO EFFECT* on the bandwidth or throughput of the x16 slots used for SLI because this slot uses only PCH bandwidth.
     
    PCIe Slot Breakdown
    PCIe Lane Distribution (All Socket 1151 processors provide 16 lanes.)
    PE1 – x16 (Gen3, x16 lanes from CPU, x8 shared with PE2)
    PE2 – x16 (Gen3, x8 lanes from CPU, shares 8 of PE1’s 16 lanes)
    PE3 – x4 (Gen3, x4 lanes from PCH)
     
    M.2 Slot Breakdown
    M.2 Lane Distribution
    M.2 Key-M (80mm) – x4
    o M.2 Enable/Disable is set within the BIOS
    M.2 Key-E (32mm) – x1
    o M.2 Enable/Disable is set within the BIOS
     
    This motherboard does NOT have any lane replication via PLX; all lanes are native and derived from CPU or PCH.
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    Re: 2 slot NVLink 2018/10/16 10:45:19 (permalink)


    If you look at the graphic (I added the Red Arrows) ---> you can See the spacing is counted differently

    Old SLI - (name system): previously "2-Slot" as it "skips 2 PCIe slots" Between graphics cards)
     
    New NVLink - (name system):  Counts the Total number of PCIe slots that are spanned


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    Re: 2 slot NVLink 2018/10/16 10:51:43 (permalink)
    I did have this posted but removed it.

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    Re: 2 slot NVLink 2018/10/16 11:01:20 (permalink)
    I would guess that in most cases the 3 and the 4 will fit the majority of users. We might see changes in the future to the line but I think it will take seeing how many people are using the NVLINK.

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    Re: 2 slot NVLink 2018/10/16 14:15:01 (permalink)
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    I run a Z370 micro (since no z390 micro). Isn't the z370 micro 2 slots as 2 normal cards are back to back with no space.

    Yep We are all out of luck ATM even on the X299 Micro/2 we have no NVLink SLI Bridge support ATM.
    But maybe EVGA will come out latter with a 0-Slot (2-Slot) NVLink SLI Bridge as the did for the Older HB SLI Bridges.
    Note that Jeff said "Currently"
    But then is it really practical to run Two RTX Cards on a mATX Motherboard.


    The x299 micro can use the 3 slot nvlink, as it has a pcie x16 on the 3rd pcie slot. The z370 has a x4 there.

    Why isn't it practical? It uses just the needed amount of space, same CPU as it's bigger brothers, same specs. The matx just removes the excess size of a atx. Sure it would be nice if EVGA released a z390 micro with 2x m.2 on the back like another company, but I'm fine with 2tb of m.2 and a external NAS.

    I guess I will return my 2080's. Not like manufacturer will raise the price of what they are now.
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    Re: 2 slot NVLink 2018/10/16 14:58:39 (permalink)
    "Why isn't it practical?" NVIDIA or EVGA has not made an NVLink SLI Bridge so there seems reason why they did not.
     
    X299 Micro 13. PCI-E Slot 4x Page 13/14 Support Manual for EVGA X299 Micro (131-SX-E295)
    The Slot need to run at x8 for SLI
    That last Slot in meant for use as a PhysX if a graphics card is installed.
    Furthermore, this board is designed not ONLY for overclockers, but also for
    gamers with NVIDIA® 2-Way SLI + PhysX Support
     
    13. PCI-E Slot x4*
    PCI-E x4 slot uses up to 4 Gen 3 lanes from the PCH. This slot is typically
    used for sound cards, WiFi, USB, or other peripheral cards.
    Because this slot uses PCH bandwidth, this will have *NO EFFECT* on the
    bandwidth or throughput of the x16 slots used for SLI.
     
    12. PCI-E Slot 16x/8x Only PE1 and PE2 can be used for SLI
     

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    Re: 2 slot NVLink 2018/10/16 15:11:52 (permalink)
    They did make one for below Quadro Graphics Cards (Quadro RTX NVLink 2-Slot) / (Quadro RTX NVLink HB 2-Slot)
    CHOOSE THE RIGHT NVLINK BRIDGE FOR YOUR QUADRO GPUs Only $600 Each
    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/design-visualization/nvlink-bridges/
     
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    Re: 2 slot NVLink 2018/10/17 02:59:32 (permalink)
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    They did make one for below Quadro Graphics Cards (Quadro RTX NVLink 2-Slot) / (Quadro RTX NVLink HB 2-Slot)
    CHOOSE THE RIGHT NVLINK BRIDGE FOR YOUR QUADRO GPUs Only $600 Each
    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/design-visualization/nvlink-bridges/
     


    I saw that when I was looking up a 2 slot nvlink. Find it odd they made a professional version but not a consumer version.
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