DirtySouthWookie
Glad I'm skipping this generation! (First skip in years) The 1080s are meh compared to the 980tis and are absolutely not worth an upgrade. Now that I've heard there will be no 1080ti? SUPER glad I am skipping. Maybe go AMD next year? Nvidia hasn't been doing as well as they used to and I've lost interest with all their BS and lies.

DirtySouthWookie
Glad I'm skipping this generation! (First skip in years) The 1080s are meh compared to the 980tis and are absolutely not worth an upgrade. Now that I've heard there will be no 1080ti? SUPER glad I am skipping. Maybe go AMD next year? Nvidia hasn't been doing as well as they used to and I've lost interest with all their BS and lies.

ArmeniusLOD
I wouldn't say since "time immemorial."  Kepler to Maxwell was the first really lackluster generational jump in performance for awhile since that was 28nm pretty much stretched to the limit.  By comparison the jump to Pascal feels really great, though.
 

sethleigh
Yeah, as far as I can tell the 8800gtx was the single biggest jump in performance I can remember, and not coincidentally is the only other time I've paid over $600 for a video card. I think the 1080 jump isn't quite as massive as the 8800gtx jump, but it's up there.

SUGI0LOVER
You proved my point. There are some games that One Titan XP with Oced can't reach 60fps at 4k, which is not good enough for my standard. Our standards are just different, so I also respect your opinion. Let's just enjoy what we have. Life is too short.

Iluv2raceit

DirtySouthWookie
Glad I'm skipping this generation! (First skip in years) The 1080s are meh compared to the 980tis and are absolutely not worth an upgrade. Now that I've heard there will be no 1080ti? SUPER glad I am skipping. Maybe go AMD next year? Nvidia hasn't been doing as well as they used to and I've lost interest with all their BS and lies.

It may in fact not be worth the upgrade if you game only at 1080P or 1440P, though there are several games that can be played at UQHD and 4K/UHD with GTX980Ti SLI.  But you have to keep in mind that this is the generation of DX12.  As you are probably already aware, DX12 games do not scale well at all in SLI.  Something to consider depending on how long you want to wait to upgrade.  BF1 is a DX12 game and right now several YouTube videos show that a single GTX1080 can't maintain playable frame rates (in some areas of the game) at 1920x1080 with Ultra settings, which is just crazy!  Yes, it is a beta and Nvidia just yesterday released new drivers to help with performance.  But regardless, you get the point.

I recently upgraded from two GTX980Ti cards to a single Titan XP and am really happy about the choice.  No more SLI issues whatsoever and I get almost the same if not better (in some games) vs. GTX980Ti in SLI while using about half the power and generating less system heat.  It's amazing.  Temps in my water cooling circuit dropped 10C and my system is even quieter than before.  Lower coolant temps mean lower pump and fan noise.  Still amazed to game at 4K and the system is near silent while temps are in the high 30C to low 40C range - wow.  I definitely consider that a win-win upgrade.  Also, I game at UQHD (3440 x 1440) and 4K/UHD resolutions on a regular basis, so not having to toggle on and off SLI is another advantage.  I have used SLI for over 10 years, and this is the very first time my main gaming rig has had only one card and I am so glad I made the move.  It's a bit difficult to describe, but even though frame rates are a bit lower at times in some games, the gameplay is so much smoother.  One would have thought there wouldn't be a difference, and that frame rates tell the whole story.  But they don't and you actually have to experience it to really understand.  Needless to say, YouTube videos won't convey this huge advantage

Stevethegreat

BTW I challenge anyone to find similar numbers to any previous generation:
 
 
nvidia in going from GM200 to GP102 gave GM200 SLI performance in one card in a single year. Again, last time that happened was the distant 2006 with G80 (8800 GTX).
 
Such generational gains are incredibly rare. Funny thing is that I don't find many upset about pricing yet I do find ones about performance. Between '06 and '16 high end cards ballooned from $650 to $1200

Stevethegreat

Iluv2raceit
And those are performance numbers using a Titan XP at stock speeds using the early 1st gen drivers on initial release.  Add in the fact that drivers are already showing significant improvements in performance AND then overclock the Titan XP from the puny ~1540Mhz GPU/10000Mhz Memory stock speeds to the astounding +2000Mhz GPU (35% increase)/11000Mhz (10% increase) Memory overclock speeds and the Titan XP becomes an absolute beast

To be fair nVidia does boost their cards this gen even without overclock (if the "temps are right"). So with overclock you can see an additional 20% performance boost if you can sustain the clocks (have good cooling). Guru 3d made a special about that. 
 
 

Stevethegreat

Iluv2raceit
As far as stock clock boosts, there is definitely a noticeable delta from aircooled GPU boost and liquid cooled GPU boost performance.  For example, my Titan XP only boost up to 1534Mhz on the aircooler.  But after installing the EKWB full water block, GPU boost went up to 1867Mhz!  That's a crazy increase of ~330Mhz - wow!  Proof that thermal throttling really is a bottleneck with the Pascal GPU architecture...no matter what JayZ Two Cents wants you to believe as he recently did a 180 about his initial claims regarding Nvidia cards exhibiting thermal throttling, but that's another story for another day

My understanding is that what you experienced was not exactly thermal throttling. After careful examination of the afterburner stats on my Titan XP I could see that I was getting voltage throttled at high temps. My temperatures were way below the 90 C limit but I was still being throttled. The reason is that at higher temps, higher voltage is needed too. So you exceed the voltage limit (which btw is not adjustable) far more frequentry than you can can exceed the temp limit (*never* with repaste) or the power limit (more infrequently).
 
A secondary effect of low temps is that high volts are not needed to sustain high clocks so you get less voltage limited that way. I think what most people see on their setups is their gpu being voltage limited. That *may* be solved by either hard modding or bios modding, but it is definately lessened by chilly temps. If I could kee my GPU to less than 50 C , I would see that voltage limit is hit less frequently thus my clocks are sustained very often in fact.
 
So yes, 30% gains are possible with ultra low temps, but not for those using stock cooling (~20% is close to the best you can do using 100% fan).

unmeaty
I'm pleased with my water cooled Titan XP. It hits at around 2Ghz pretty steadily, and is a terrific single GPU for someone running 3440px1440p who also happens to be tired of SLI. I really wish EVGA made a version of it, but you can't have it all I suppose.
 
I ran into some issues with the memory running at 11000Mhz, occasional artifacts and freezing, but since I've put it back to stock while keeping the core clock overclocked that has seemingly solved the issues. OC'ing the memory has such little performance impact anyway, I'm fine with that.
 
Not sure if it's the VRM overheating, though I find that hard to believe. I meticulously placed all of the original thermal pads when attaching the 1080 AiO shroud. Me thinks it just doesn't like being overclocked to that extreme, so I won't. Easy peasy.

Iluv2raceit
Not a true believer yet that this is not in fact thermal throttling vs. power limitation.  We'll know more once voltage is unlocked for the Titan.  Currently, only the GTX1080 voltage can be increased.  Just saw it in the new Precision OC tool (version 6.0.5 - released just yesterday I believe).  Voltage for the Titan XP is still greyed out if I remember correctly.
 
At the temps being discussed here, the power limitation should not be a factor.  Maybe on much larger scales and much higher temps would such deltas occur.
 
Regardless, what you say may have merit - but still requires to be proved...

Iluv2raceit

unmeaty
Speaking of voltage limits, I think that could also be a culprit with my Titan XP memory issues. I use MSI as well, and without the ability to add voltage it may not be getting enough juice for that OC.
 
Who knows. I just really hope I don't have to RMA that thing, putting it back together would be a pain.

Actually, I don't think it's a voltage issue.  It's most like a temperature issue.  The memory modules are not actively cooled using the stock cooling design, nor are they cooled using the MSI Hybrid solution.  The only solution for actively cooling the VRAM is either using the EVGA GTX1080 FTW Hybrid solution which includes a copper plate with thermal tape (that are in direct contact with the memory modules) that is connected to the waterblock/pump housing -or- use of a full body waterblock (like the one I am using).  The difference is subtle.  Memory overclocks are increased slightly, but more importantly are more stable when temps begin to climb during gaming and benchmarking.

unmeaty
 
So the 1080 AiO cooling kit that EVGA sells is not the same one that's on the EVGA GTX1080 FTW Hybrid?