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2016/11/29 19:23:24 (permalink)
This may be the wrong place to start this thread since EVGA doesn't sell the Titan X Pascal, but I'll probably get a much higher response rate asking here.  Sorry in advance mods if you have to move this!
 
So I currently have 2 GTX 980 Ti's and I'm severely disappointed with the lack of SLI support in DX11 games and explicit mgpu support in DX12 games.  With that said, I'm 90% convinced that I should no longer bother with multi-GPU setups, at least until things change.  Just look at the long list of games that I've played lately that either don't support SLI/mgpu or have terrible support and scaling:
 
Forza Horizon 3, Gears of War 4, Watch Dogs 2, Titanfall 2, Doom, Hitman (2016)
 
With that said, should I just pull the trigger and get a Titan X Pascal?  The only thing holding me back is the fact that it's a reference design, with an 8+6 pin power connector, which is weak sauce for something that should have 8+8 at least for great overclocking.  The cooling on those reference cards is lackluster to say the least.
 
I'm aware that the GTX 1080 Ti will release in January most likely, but will be a cut-down GP102.  However, with a custom PCB and liquid cooling, I would imagine the performance gap could be reduced significantly.  Anyways, I just want your thoughts.  2 cards is out of the question now for me since the list of games that support SLI/mgpu isn't getting much larger.

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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/29 19:56:58 (permalink)
    My experience with Rig 1 in my signature.  Its hard to keep those Titan X Pascals cool (below 50 C) and humming on air. 
     
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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/29 20:00:19 (permalink)
    Yes, get two as well. SLI works fine in Doom, Watch Dogs 2 & Hitman (2016).
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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/29 20:31:09 (permalink)
     
    If you can afford it, do the Titan XP. Great card. I used to run 2 x GTX-980Ti and went to the Titan XP (single)... very happy with the performance. I actually went for a 1080 FTW Hybrid first, but had the black screen issue and problems with the RMA card as well, so took a refund and bit the bullet on the Titan XP instead. Good move. I have run only SLI setups for many years but I am not doing SLI with this card, frankly I don't think SLI Titan XP is needed for current gaming requirements (at least not yet, but who knows what's coming in the future), and so far it has taken anything I've thrown at it and pretty much yawned at me.. lol.
     
    Only 'issue' is that the stock air cooling isn't really adequate, so water cooling is recommended. The EVGA 1080 Hybrid cooler can work without physical modding but you can't mount part of the shroud back on. EVGA are working on a AIO Hybrid cooler specifically for the Titan XP, hopefully out before the end of the year, but don't hold your breath waiting. There are full water blocks out from EK if you have a custom loop.
     
    If you really want the card to shine the way it should, be prepared to get aftermarket water cooling on it. Other than that, it's awesome ...as it should be for the price. :)
     
     
     


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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/29 20:35:27 (permalink)
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    Only 'issue' is that the stock air cooling isn't really adequate

    Not adequate? lol. Looks adequate to me...
     
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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/29 20:38:38 (permalink)
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    Only 'issue' is that the stock air cooling isn't really adequate

    Not adequate? lol. Looks adequate to me...

    It's known to throttle on very heavy load, and that's even on stock clocks.. overclock it and you will experience more throttling. It's still a damn good card as is, but as I said, if you really want the card to shine the way it should, be prepared to get aftermarket water cooling on it. I haven't heard of anyone disagreeing with that.. yet. :)
     
    Btw, I get significantly higher max temps than you on BF1 with max everything (on stock air cooling).. most results I have seen are higher than what you have - where are you living, the arctic?  :D  ..although if you're running SLI that might explain it... I'm running single card.
     
     
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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/29 20:42:38 (permalink)
    Nereus
    Btw, I get significantly higher max temps than you on BF1 with max everything.. most results I have seen are higher than what you have - where are you living, the arctic?  :D  

    I live in texas. Open bench ftw. 
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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/29 20:44:02 (permalink)
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    Btw, I get significantly higher max temps than you on BF1 with max everything.. most results I have seen are higher than what you have - where are you living, the arctic?  :D  

    I live in texas. Open bench ftw. 

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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/29 20:45:37 (permalink)
    Thanks for the suggestions guys.  Sajin, your proposition of two of them is very, very tempting since I don't like my graphics cards to be lonely in my massive Corsair 900D chassis.  I'll probably just stick with one for now, and get another if multi-GPU support improves.  
     
    With that said, I've never gone with a custom water loop and the maintenance doesn't seem appealing.  I was thinking of going with EK's Predator 360 and get a pre-filled water block for the Titan XP for something easy to set up.  However, if I were to go with a second Titan XP down the road, could I simply attach another to the AIO loop?  Is it physically feasible?  Is it wise to have two massive GPUs and a CPU sending heat up to a 360mm rad?

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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/29 20:57:58 (permalink)
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    However, if I were to go with a second Titan XP down the road, could I simply attach another to the AIO loop?  Is it physically feasible?  Is it wise to have two massive GPUs and a CPU sending heat up to a 360mm rad?


    Yes, you could do that. Not sure if the predator 360 could handle all of that. Would ask ek to be sure.
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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/29 21:00:11 (permalink)
    I had 2 Asus 980 ti Matrix.  Went to one Titan Xp.  So worth it.  No more fighting with SLI, nor the extra latency that SLI adds to the render.
     
    The Titan is silent and I run solid fps in bf1 and anything else.

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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/29 21:08:49 (permalink)
    You should get 4, and send me 2... just a suggestion..
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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/29 21:11:23 (permalink)
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    You should get 4, and send me 2... just a suggestion..


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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/29 21:28:18 (permalink)
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    You should get 4, and send me 2... just a suggestion..



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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/29 21:49:07 (permalink)
    So I was browsing our forums and it looks like EKG recommends a push-pull setup if you plan on adding two GPUs to the 360 Predator AIO loop.  So if I want a second card, it won't be much of an issue adding it.

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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/29 22:33:48 (permalink)
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    So I was browsing our forums and it looks like EKG recommends a push-pull setup if you plan on adding two GPUs to the 360 Predator AIO loop.  So if I want a second card, it won't be much of an issue adding it.


    Does that include a CPU ? Or was that a reference to two GPUs?
     
    Rule of thumb minimum of 120mm radiator per item plus 1.  So, two GPU plus 1 = 360
     
    I can tell you that my Rig 2 in signature has a Alpha Cool 120mm x 360mm x 45mm radiator with 6 EK Vardar F4 2200 RPM fans and it has trouble keeping the two EVGA Titan X SC cool along with the 4790K that is not OC at all as I am using it to Fold.
     
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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/30 00:37:00 (permalink)
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    So I was browsing our forums and it looks like EKG recommends a push-pull setup if you plan on adding two GPUs to the 360 Predator AIO loop.  So if I want a second card, it won't be much of an issue adding it.


    Does that include a CPU ? Or was that a reference to two GPUs?
     
    Rule of thumb minimum of 120mm radiator per item plus 1.  So, two GPU plus 1 = 360
     
    I can tell you that my Rig 2 in signature has a Alpha Cool 120mm x 360mm x 45mm radiator with 6 EK Vardar F4 2200 RPM fans and it has trouble keeping the two EVGA Titan X SC cool along with the 4790K that is not OC at all as I am using it to Fold.
     
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    Straight from the FAQ in the setup guide for the Predator 360:
     
    "Q: How many water blocks can you add to the loop?
     
    A: The EK-XLC Predator liquid cooling unit can be upgraded with several additional parts.  However, in order to keep performance at a reasonable level it is recommended not to upgrade EK-XLC Predator with no more than:
    - One (1) GPU water blocks (Predator 240)
    - Two (2) GPU water blocks (Predator 360)"
     
     

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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/30 03:12:05 (permalink)
    Just out of curiosity for those that have their Titan XPs cooled under liquid, are you always running your card over 2000MHz for gaming?  Even after hours of gaming?

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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/30 06:32:29 (permalink)
    Go for the Titan X P...I have 2 of them (and a 1080 FTW).  The 1080 FTW and one Titan X P run folding @ home 24/7.  The second Titan X P is my gaming card (4K UHD @ 60 Hz) and runs folding @ home when I am not gaming.
     
    Inside of a case, the reference cooler can keep the card below 80 C...but you have to run it at 100% fan (and that's pretty loud).
     
    As I wasn't ready to go full water, and EVGA hasn't released their official Titan X P Hybrid kit, I put the 1080 Hybrid kit on each of my Titan X P cards.  Here is a link to a quick project log (before I did final tweaks and moved into a different case): http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/776114-Build-Log-JrClocker-s-Titan-X-P-AIO-Hybrid-Cooler-Mod
     
    The mod is pretty easy.  You keep the Titan X P backplate, PCB heat spreader, and fan.  You remove the heat sink and replace with the 1080 Hybrid kit block.  (You have to remove everything from the card except the PCI mounting bracket to get at the LED and fan headers).  I am using 2 Corsair ML 120 fans @ 60% in push/pull on the 120 mm radiators.  The GPU temperature stays below 50 C (usually mid 45 C) with a 28 C ambient.  (I also keep the GPU fan at about 50% to keep the VRMs and memory cool).
     
    Each card clock is stable at 2075 MHz or higher (best I've seen is 2125 MHz for each card).
     
    This setup is cool and quiet.
     
    As said above, I really doubt that the EK Predator 360 can cool 2 of these and a CPU.  With the power slider at 120%, these cards have no issue pulling 300 W.
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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/30 08:48:07 (permalink)
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    This may be the wrong place to start this thread since EVGA doesn't sell the Titan X Pascal, but I'll probably get a much higher response rate asking here.  Sorry in advance mods if you have to move this!
     
    So I currently have 2 GTX 980 Ti's and I'm severely disappointed with the lack of SLI support in DX11 games and explicit mgpu support in DX12 games.  With that said, I'm 90% convinced that I should no longer bother with multi-GPU setups, at least until things change.  Just look at the long list of games that I've played lately that either don't support SLI/mgpu or have terrible support and scaling:
     
    Forza Horizon 3, Gears of War 4, Watch Dogs 2, Titanfall 2, Doom, Hitman (2016)
     
    With that said, should I just pull the trigger and get a Titan X Pascal?  The only thing holding me back is the fact that it's a reference design, with an 8+6 pin power connector, which is weak sauce for something that should have 8+8 at least for great overclocking.  The cooling on those reference cards is lackluster to say the least.
     
    I'm aware that the GTX 1080 Ti will release in January most likely, but will be a cut-down GP102.  However, with a custom PCB and liquid cooling, I would imagine the performance gap could be reduced significantly.  Anyways, I just want your thoughts.  2 cards is out of the question now for me since the list of games that support SLI/mgpu isn't getting much larger.


     Yes buy a Titan X Pascal you will be very happy Since you are not on water go with the EKWB 360 Predator and full cover water block pre-fill. None of the other AIO's will cool as well as this system for the CPU or GPU. I have just one Titan XP and it is extremely fast playing the Division at 75 to 80 FPS and Battlefield 1 175 FPS both games on Ultra settings at 1440. You will not be disappointed with this setup.


    Yes you can put two Titan XP's on one loop. Your temperatures will go up about 4c to 5c on the GPU's and CPU. This is from my installation Manual. You can always add another 240 rad to the loop the pump is plenty strong.

     
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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/30 09:04:57 (permalink)
    Honestly man... i legitimately JUST asked this question to Sajin. I went with the Titan XP and will not look back. Here's my thoughts broken down.
     
    Based on the rumors...
    • The card WILL be a cut down GP102.. which means that Titan XP is still "big dog".
    • Ti will probably have 10GB and (maybe I'm wrong) but isnt the jury still out on if it will be GDDR5 or GDDR5X?
    • Titan XP is available NOW whereas the Ti will probably be ANNOUNCED in January with availability not until what... February or March and then you have to fight the crowds to get one? Not to mention you will have to wait even longer for a "GTX 1080 Ti FTW" or w.e version you want... Not to mention i believe it was posted that AMD's GPU may be delayed now?? If that's true... why in the heck would Nvidia release a GTX 1080 Ti to compete with it's own products when there is literally nothing from the opposing team that forces them to release the 1080 Ti?
    Food for thought: Base clock on Titan XP is "low" but in all games I've played so far, I've seen CONSISTENT boosts to 1750Mhz. On a default fan config, no manual OC, my GPU temps hit around 83C because the room I'm in is at 75F. 
    My rig (in my signature) gets consistently >100fps @ 1440p on BF1, Doom, WoW, Call of Duty's, etc etc etc... I benched everything I had installed.
     
    I hated spending 1200 bucks on a single GPU but because all the developers are getting lazy, my SLI GTX 780s were no longer good enough. Personally I think you should just get a Titan XP now and be super happy for months before the "possibility" of a new GPU comes out. Not to mention I'm guaranteeing you that there will be people who sell their Titan XPs cheaper just to hop on the new 1080 Ti train... I'm looking at getting another XP eventually from one of these people myself.
     
    Hope this helps!
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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/30 10:07:40 (permalink)
    you're all just a bunch of enablers!!!!!!  :)
     
    Good info houkom. 
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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/30 10:13:49 (permalink)
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    Yes, get two as well. SLI works fine in Doom, Watch Dogs 2 & Hitman (2016).

    How does SLI work in Doom? Did they patch it? It didn't work last I tried it. And Watch Dogs 2 runs worse in SLI than it does with one card, I get around 20 fps less when using SLI in Watch Dogs 2 compared to using just one card.

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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/30 11:49:45 (permalink)
    Not 100% necessary to open bench, just get a good full tower case.
     
    ...I'll say it, just wait for the 1080 TI. 1080 TI classified, and spend the extra cash to upgrade to Kaby or 860pro pci-e ssd. My sig is outdate by 2 rigs(oops, just one, thought I still have the 3770k rig on there), but I'll be doing a ground up build with Kaby 1080ti in January if release is possible.
     
    Newegg has the Corsair 780T on sale the other day, great case for the money and I picked it up for the new build.

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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/30 13:24:59 (permalink)
    Thanks for the suggestions folks!  You sure are good at convincing me to spend $1200 on a card and hundreds more on cooling.  I've decided to go with a single Titan X Pascal (for now) and go with the EKWB Predator 360 and the pre-filled Titan X water block.  I've been watching videos of Titan X Pascal running games at 2100MHz and it's amazing how many miles ahead of a single 980 Ti it is, and even two in many cases.  My 3DMark graphics scores will be lower, but game performance is more important anyways.

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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/30 14:05:35 (permalink)
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    Yes, get two as well. SLI works fine in Doom, Watch Dogs 2 & Hitman (2016).

    How does SLI work in Doom? Did they patch it? It didn't work last I tried it. And Watch Dogs 2 runs worse in SLI than it does with one card, I get around 20 fps less when using SLI in Watch Dogs 2 compared to using just one card.

    Sorry didn't mean to hijack the Ops post.



    I've been on the fence with selling my 1080 FTW SLI and getting Titan(s).  In doom, 7680x1440, everything on except no motion blur and FXAA, I get a 55 - 74 fps.  With full eye candy, it'll drop under 30 fps.  Spend $1200 on single Titan or keep the sli and wait another 5-7 months?  I can't see myself spending $2400 on titan sli mid product cycle unless I get the Sajin deal... ;)

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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/30 14:13:03 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the suggestions folks!  You sure are good at convincing me to spend $1200 on a card and hundreds more on cooling.  I've decided to go with a single Titan X Pascal (for now) and go with the EKWB Predator 360 and the pre-filled Titan X water block.  I've been watching videos of Titan X Pascal running games at 2100MHz and it's amazing how many miles ahead of a single 980 Ti it is, and even two in many cases.  My 3DMark graphics scores will be lower, but game performance is more important anyways.




    Mileage will vary with the EKWB Predator 360.  I'm running push-pull in a 900D and my 5960x hovers in the 70s when I load it up.  Thought about running another 240 on the front for the GPUs.  Or get a single hybrid for the top SLI card where the monitors are connected. 

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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/30 14:26:41 (permalink)
    That's very nice build with EKWB Predator and TITAN XP.
    I would like something similar. 

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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/30 14:53:51 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the suggestions folks!  You sure are good at convincing me to spend $1200 on a card and hundreds more on cooling.  I've decided to go with a single Titan X Pascal (for now) and go with the EKWB Predator 360 and the pre-filled Titan X water block.  I've been watching videos of Titan X Pascal running games at 2100MHz and it's amazing how many miles ahead of a single 980 Ti it is, and even two in many cases.  My 3DMark graphics scores will be lower, but game performance is more important anyways.




    Mileage will vary with the EKWB Predator 360.  I'm running push-pull in a 900D and my 5960x hovers in the 70s when I load it up.  Thought about running another 240 on the front for the GPUs.  Or get a single hybrid for the top SLI card where the monitors are connected. 


    Just put a 240 rad in your existing loop and the temp's will come down a lot. I have a Predator 360 three fans not push / pull. CPU 5930K @ 4.6 GHz max temp 56c full load bench marking.
    GPU Titan X Pascal clock at 2110 full load bench marking max temp 48c. 




     
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    Re: Should I get a Titan X Pascal? 2016/11/30 18:29:16 (permalink)
    I love mine. Its a beast of a card and if you aren't an annual upgrader know it will give you great performance for many years.
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