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So looking at the thermal pads on the FE apposed the the hybrid kit. The Kit seems to be lacking are we supposed to just ignore or should the kit come with more thermal pads on the cooling plate. I took them off the FE an stuck on my hybrid but with little to go on with the instruction i have to ask this is was a mistake or they not necessary? If they are on FE, they must be on for a reason. 
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 08:52:26
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Re-use the old ones --- You do not want to go without any thermal pads  Unless you just need to peel the backing off of those on the new plate ??
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 08:59:37
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There is nothing to peel off the kit pads and what does that have to do with the missing one that the FE has
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 09:05:10
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There is nothing to peel off the kit pads and what does that have to do with the missing one that the FE has
In your pic of the new unit- the black glossier squares kind of look like backing to me. I do not know if you are supposed to get new pads with the kit -- nothing wrong with reusing your existing pads http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=400-HY-5188-B1  No pads shown in the kit
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 09:20:14
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They are glossy because they are new they are also sticky when you touch them they do not have film over them. Im not an idiot and this thread is about the lack of pads not about thermal problems. And i know what the kit comes with i have 2 of them for SLI.
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 09:34:28
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I see the section you mean and yes, you need to use the thermal pads from the old card for the missing spots on the new one. I blew up your image and can see the indentations of the chips they were cooling so I wouldn't use the card without them. You may want to let EVGa know so they can investigate this and correct it at the factory or they may be receiving a whole bunch of RMA's soon. :)
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 10:10:01
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I just called tech support and showed him this thread and they are going to look into it. But yea when i installed kit I took the missing ones off the FE cooler just to be safe.
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 10:45:34
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Definitely missing some pads. 
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 11:05:39
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The hybrid kit is significantly wider than the Founder Edition cooler. How did they bolt together if the coolers are significantly different, or was this two different cards? Also, many times Nvidia puts a lot of thermal padding on the cooler, when there isn't anything to cool from what it looks like. Most evga cards have thermal pads on the VRAM and VRM, not all over the place. Basically, every EVGA card has them where the hybrid has them, and none of those cards have ever been hurt. Not sure if Nvidia has them on specific components, but seeing how EK, EVGA and other coolers don't have thermal pads covering every single component, I don't think it is an issue.
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 11:23:26
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The hybrid kit is significantly wider than the Founder Edition cooler. How did they bolt together if the coolers are significantly different, or was this two different cards?
Also, many times Nvidia puts a lot of thermal padding on the cooler, when there isn't anything to cool from what it looks like.
You can clearly see indentations in the pads they are not just there for nothing
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 11:23:50
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The hybrid kit is significantly wider than the Founder Edition cooler. How did they bolt together if the coolers are significantly different, or was this two different cards?
Also, many times Nvidia puts a lot of thermal padding on the cooler, when there isn't anything to cool from what it looks like.
You can clearly see indentations in the pads they are not just there for nothing
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 11:24:42
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Indentations from non heat generating component are just indentations. If it isn't generating heat, why cover it? Could you take pictures of the components they are actually touching? Also, are the coolers the same size? The bottom one (hybrid) looks wider for some reason.
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 11:55:51
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If that is the standard hybrid kit it is compatible with the FE model. I think it's just an optical illusion as they just look different in size sorta. At first glimpse it did seem that way but I think they are the same size. I think he might have something underneath the FE cooler towards the top of the pic which gave it a slight angle making it appear smaller.
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 11:57:20
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So looking at the thermal pads on the FE apposed the the hybrid kit. The Kit seems to be lacking are we supposed to just ignore or should the kit come with more thermal pads on the cooling plate.
I took them off the FE an stuck on my hybrid but with little to go on with the instruction i have to ask this is was a mistake or they not necessary?
If they are on FE, they must be on for a reason.
Can you please confirm are there any LED's on the hybrid? It appears there is no LED plug on it. I thought there might be one for the logo on the side. It might be possible that EVGA did not feel it was necessary to put pads on those components.
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 12:04:55
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They are identical in size just look at the screw holes.
The logo light is white
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 12:37:17
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They are identical in size just look at the screw holes.
The logo light is white
Ok, so it is an optical illusion. That was what I was wondering. Looking at the PCB, the components (not sure what they are called) that the founders edition has thermal pads on don't generate heat like the VRM modules do. Looking at reviews online, some of the founders edition coolers don't even have thermal pads in those areas. Since 99% of gpu's haven't been covering them in the past, to include Nvidia, I would stick with the fact that it probably isn't necessary. We'll see what EVGA says if they respond.
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 14:20:08
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Indentations from non heat generating component are just indentations. If it isn't generating heat, why cover it?
Mosfets create heat. Don't know why evga wouldn't choose to cover them. Scarlet-Tech
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They are identical in size just look at the screw holes.
The logo light is white
Ok, so it is an optical illusion. That was what I was wondering.
Looking at the PCB, the components (not sure what they are called) that the founders edition has thermal pads on don't generate heat like the VRM modules do. Looking at reviews online, some of the founders edition coolers don't even have thermal pads in those areas.
Since 99% of gpu's haven't been covering them in the past, to include Nvidia, I would stick with the fact that it probably isn't necessary. We'll see what EVGA says if they respond.
What 1080 FE reviews are you looking at? All 1080 FE reviews/waterblock install videos I've looked at show thermal pads in those locations... Review: https://www.techpowerup.c...eForce_GTX_1080/6.htmlVideo 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MphkItGxkJEVideo 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoMhDZcn_Jo
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 14:41:10
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Mosfets create heat. Don't know why evga wouldn't choose to cover them.
What 1080 FE reviews are you looking at? All 1080 FE reviews/waterblock install videos I've looked at show thermal pads in those locations...
Review: https://www.techpowerup.c...eForce_GTX_1080/6.html
Video 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MphkItGxkJE
Video 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoMhDZcn_Jo
Look at most GPU's. On most GPU's they are completely uncovered. First picture was WCCFTech: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-pcb-gp104-gddr5x/ Nothing where the OP is saying only the hybrid is missing it.  There was no thermal pads on here. just on the VRM and VRAM.  You can see even on the 980 K|ngp|n, they made the heat spreader go all the way around these. If they are conductive, I can understand making sure that metallic components do not touch, and using the thermal pad would work as a good insulator from electricity in this case.  Since you say "All Waterblocks say to install thermal pads on them" could you please elaborate? https://www.ekwb.com/shop/EK-IM/EK-IM-3831109831298.pdf Here is the 1080 Waterblock installation guide for the reference PCB, and it shows thermal material on the chokes and on the VRM, but nothing where you say that it shows to be on the mosfets. Since the Chokes sit in the opening where the fan is exposed, they are not what is covered or cooled. Waterblocks do not cool these components that you are saying are displayed as covered. 
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 14:53:37
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Clearly you don't know your vrm area very well. The mosfets are covered here... Capacitors/Inductors don't need to be covered.
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 14:55:39
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Clearly you don't know your vrm area very well. The mosfets are covered here...
Capacitors/Inductors don't need to be covered.
Clearly you misread where I stated "I don't know what these components are called" and then YOU Called them mosfets. So clearly, I replied with what you called them, after clearly stated I didn't know what they were called. Just for reference, I quoted you and added bold, then made it bigger: Sajin
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Indentations from non heat generating component are just indentations. If it isn't generating heat, why cover it?
Mosfets create heat. Don't know why evga wouldn't choose to cover them.
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They are identical in size just look at the screw holes.
The logo light is white
Ok, so it is an optical illusion. That was what I was wondering.
Looking at the PCB, the components (not sure what they are called) that the founders edition has thermal pads on don't generate heat like the VRM modules do. Looking at reviews online, some of the founders edition coolers don't even have thermal pads in those areas.
Since 99% of gpu's haven't been covering them in the past, to include Nvidia, I would stick with the fact that it probably isn't necessary. We'll see what EVGA says if they respond.
What 1080 FE reviews are you looking at? All 1080 FE reviews/waterblock install videos I've looked at show thermal pads in those locations...
Review: https://www.techpowerup.c...eForce_GTX_1080/6.html
Video 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MphkItGxkJE
Video 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoMhDZcn_Jo
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 14:56:56
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My point stands. They're not covered on the hybrid kit.
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 14:58:34
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My point stands. They're not covered on the hybrid kit.
I edited my post above for you. They also aren't covered on any other card, except a few 1080 founders evidently. My Point is just as valid as yours, and the pictures clearly that. Not sure why you can't accept that. Not covering them won't have any effect. Covering them won't hurt or hinder. Period.
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 15:02:05
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My point stands. They're not covered on the hybrid kit.
I edited my post above for you. They also aren't covered on any other card, except a few 1080 founders evidently. My Point is just as valid as yours. Not sure why you can't accept that.
Are you serious? They are clearly covered on the 1080 FE & 980 Kingpin card. Here this should help you out... 
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 15:03:40
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Not covering them won't have any effect. Covering them won't hurt or hinder. Period.
If it doesn't matter then I guess they should stop wasting so many materials covering them up.
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 15:17:06
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Are you serious? They are clearly covered on the 1080 FE & 980 Kingpin card. Here this should help you out...
Please show me in the picture above (will include below), where the "Solid State" Tantalum Capacitors are covered because that was clearly what i circled. And thank you for the picture, that does help for providing names, but doesn't change a single point that I made. Since that is a slightly different Layout on the PCB I'll provide one for the 1080 for reference. Everything I have been referring to is in Fuschia (below), as can be seen by the giant red circles in other pictures. The only other difference, and only thermal pad I would be worried about is in red, and not what I circled above (noted by the lack of big red circles in previous pictures). Al pictures are previously provided except the one of the OP's picture with circles added.   Not covered (will add big circles if needed ;-P) Red circles below shows that Solid State capacitors (named provided thanks to your picture, again, I appreciate that) are not covered, just as they are not covered with the Hybrid, meaning that it won't hurt anything if they aren't covered. The area designated with the "3" (1.0 mm thermal pad) was never circled. That was the one part I wasn't talking about and never made mention to.
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 15:22:08
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I just installed the Hybrid kit as is, didn't put any of the old Thermal Pads from the Nvidia Heatsink on and didn't think I needed to, didn't mention anything in the manual and I didn't want to mess anything up. I sure hope this doesn't fry my card down the road, because it will be of no fault of my own. I followed the directions(or lack thereof) to the letter. The card runs great and it never goes over 55c.
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 15:26:03
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I just installed the Hybrid kit as is, didn't put any of the old Thermal Pads for the Nvidia Heatsink on and didn't think I needed to, didn't mention anything in the manual and I didn't want to mess anything up.
I sure hope this doesn't fry my card down the road, because it will be of no fault of my own. I followed the directions(or lack thereof) to the letter. The card runs great and it never goes over 55c.
EVGA backs their customers. If something should have been covered, and it causes an issue because it isn't, they usually take care of their customer.
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 15:28:22
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I just installed the Hybrid kit as is, didn't put any of the old Thermal Pads for the Nvidia Heatsink on and didn't think I needed to, didn't mention anything in the manual and I didn't want to mess anything up.
I sure hope this doesn't fry my card down the road, because it will be of no fault of my own. I followed the directions(or lack thereof) to the letter. The card runs great and it never goes over 55c.
EVGA backs their customers. If something should have been covered, and it causes an issue because it isn't, they usually take care of their customer.
Ok great! That's good to hear 
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 16:00:51
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Are you serious? They are clearly covered on the 1080 FE & 980 Kingpin card. Here this should help you out...
Please show me in the picture above (will include below), where the "Solid State" Tantalum Capacitors are covered because that was clearly what i circled. And thank you for the picture, that does help for providing names, but doesn't change a single point that I made. Since that is a slightly different Layout on the PCB I'll provide one for the 1080 for reference.
Everything I have been referring to is in Fuschia (below), as can be seen by the giant red circles in other pictures.
The only other difference, and only thermal pad I would be worried about is in red, and not what I circled above (noted by the lack of big red circles in previous pictures). Al pictures are previously provided except the one of the OP's picture with circles added.
Not covered (will add big circles if needed ;-P)
Red circles below shows that Solid State capacitors (named provided thanks to your picture, again, I appreciate that) are not covered, just as they are not covered with the Hybrid, meaning that it won't hurt anything if they aren't covered. The area designated with the "3" (1.0 mm thermal pad) was never circled. That was the one part I wasn't talking about and never made mention to.
The mosfets are under the mosfet cooling plate. I've been talking about the mosfets this entire time. You've been talking about solid state caps/inductors. Red line shows the mosfets covered on the 980 ti kinping... 
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Re: Lack of thermal pads on hybrid kit
2016/08/17 16:01:05
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Are you serious? They are clearly covered on the 1080 FE & 980 Kingpin card. Here this should help you out...
Please show me in the picture above (will include below), where the "Solid State" Tantalum Capacitors are covered because that was clearly what i circled. And thank you for the picture, that does help for providing names, but doesn't change a single point that I made. Since that is a slightly different Layout on the PCB I'll provide one for the 1080 for reference.
Everything I have been referring to is in Fuschia (below), as can be seen by the giant red circles in other pictures.
The only other difference, and only thermal pad I would be worried about is in red, and not what I circled above (noted by the lack of big red circles in previous pictures). Al pictures are previously provided except the one of the OP's picture with circles added.
Not covered (will add big circles if needed ;-P)
Red circles below shows that Solid State capacitors (named provided thanks to your picture, again, I appreciate that) are not covered, just as they are not covered with the Hybrid, meaning that it won't hurt anything if they aren't covered. The area designated with the "3" (1.0 mm thermal pad) was never circled. That was the one part I wasn't talking about and never made mention to.
You guys should fight to the death using ground up GPU shards glued to your hands just like in kickboxer. Winner gets all new thermal pads but not enough to cover capacitors. 
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