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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
Monday, January 11, 2016 11:12 PM
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Well, at least Intel didn't wait 6 months to release a fix for the issue that was found. The flimsy pcb is kind of shady, but it was probably their way of getting users to stop delidding... that did a bunch of good, since people found ways around it.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:20 AM
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Scarlet-Tech Well, at least Intel didn't wait 6 months to release a fix for the issue that was found. The flimsy pcb is kind of shady, but it was probably their way of getting users to stop delidding... that did a bunch of good, since people found ways around it.
Probably not so much for the removing the lid maybe but with intel its a win if you remove the lid you break it, you have to buy a new one since warranty voided, and to cut cost companies always try to find a way to shave a few bucks and charge the same. The cost reason being the biggest factor I believe. That is why we need competition badly. Companies start getting the idea of charging more for less. This and the TitanX vs the launch Titans in terms of workstation features come to mind. Even the geforce 500 series minus the 570 to the 980 TI's.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
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Thanks for the FYI - OP interesting read
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:56 PM
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Cool GTX Thanks for the FYI - OP interesting read
NP and Yw. I just feel bad for the people that got this cpu already. Know a few that have dealt with the RMA train already because of skylake.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
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Running Skylake here and not one problem at all.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
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Killmur Running Skylake here and not one problem at all.
Still a problem regardless and its there, it even affects the cpu you are using. You paid more for less everyone who purchased a skylake from the flimsy materials to cut cost and now this should be speaking up.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
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BIOS updates are normal as any of you know. And, as above, Intel is issuing a fix. Yes, it's critical, but fixes like these happen all of the time, despite the news.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
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X99 lookin good.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:40 PM
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Sajin Evga X99 lookin good. 
Fixed.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
Friday, January 15, 2016 1:18 AM
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Looks like it's good because I pressure people as idiot here to gave up from Skylake until grow up and see day light with 6 cores and six channel memory in middle of 2017. If she freeze only searching prime numbers than it's not tragedy, but It would be bad if Intel show up later with information that only new batch could fix that or decreasing performance somehow or new version of Prime95 optimized for Skylake. The worse comments I see from people who used to stress processors with Prime95 and LinX even if motherboard companies explain them that Real Bench, AIDA64, XTU are much better now... They didn't accept that and overclocked processors if they are not tested in Prime95 and for them CPU is stable only if work under Prime95 all night... Now they are angry. The worse thing is fact that people ignore offers of i7-5930K and R5E for 100$ more than Maximus VIII Extreme and i7-6700K. That's tragedy, their decision, not bug in Skylake. Why they done that it's unknown... Maybe because Z170 is newer, maybe because they used to Xtreme cost more and even didn't compare price nice... who knows...
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
Friday, January 15, 2016 1:23 AM
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
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Many people can not afford nor have need of the extreme platforms Intel offers. It's overkill for daily tasks including gaming. A extreme platform is a complete waste for a mainstream pc user.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
Friday, January 15, 2016 2:48 AM
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Killmur Many people can not afford nor have need of the extreme platforms Intel offers. It's overkill for daily tasks including gaming. A extreme platform is a complete waste for a mainstream pc user.
Yes, but do not settle for less paying more for less. That is exactly what nvidia did with the GTX Titan line from the reason it came to be, to the newest GTX TitanX that has some of its workstation features cut out, because they know they can get away with it. You let them get away with it they keep doing it more and more to the point you just expect it.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
Friday, January 15, 2016 4:52 AM
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Sajin I don't need double precision. I got exactly what I paid for... a flawless chip which doesn't have any unstable SMMs, it's also the best gaming chip on the market.



yeah at the card the way its cut down even more its ok for a gamer only card, but someone that the original Titan was aimed at a card with gaming clocks but the bone of a workstation card, the GTX TitanX is a steaming pile of poo for its original intended audience. It is so bad for the original intended audience when I asked nvidia about it a legitimate question they removed my comment from social media because its that bad for the those needing to work/play on it. it should only be priced about 800 max since in essence its just a gaming card now, with many of its workstation features gutted out. For you it may be winning, for it its just overpriced junk that does not do what it was originally designed for or for the audience it was supposed to be aimed at in nvidia's endless greed.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
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I know the original titan and titan black had double precision, but the titan series has always been aimed at the gamer... Straight from the titan x manual... "Thank you for choosing the NVIDIA ® GeForce ® GTX TITAN X graphics card. The GTX TITAN X is a powerful graphics card that gives you the fast, smooth, quiet gaming you’re looking for in all your favorite titles. With features like GPU Boost 2.0, NVIDIA TXAA, and NVIDIA PhysX, this graphics card will give you the best your games have to offer." - http://www.nvidia.com/content/geforce-gtx/GTX_TITAN_X_User_Guide.pdf Sounds like a gaming card to me.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
Friday, January 15, 2016 5:41 AM
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Sajin I know the original titan and titan black had double precision, but the titan series has always been aimed at the gamer... Straight from the titan x manual... "Thank you for choosing the NVIDIA ® GeForce ® GTX TITAN X graphics card. The GTX TITAN X is a powerful graphics card that gives you the fast, smooth, quiet gaming you’re looking for in all your favorite titles. With features like GPU Boost 2.0, NVIDIA TXAA, and NVIDIA PhysX, this graphics card will give you the best your games have to offer." - http://www.nvidia.com/content/geforce-gtx/GTX_TITAN_X_User_Guide.pdf Sounds like a gaming card to me.
No the Titan was not originally aimed at the gamer, it has its logical processing cores, gamers do not need those, double precision and other workstation functions. Lets begin, nvidia put their logical proccessing cores back on their geforce line since the 8000 series, along with double precision and the rest of the chip that made a difference between a quadro and a geforce they were much and the same but the geforce lineup appealed to developers because they could check and play their work on the same gpu, small engineer and scientific firms that could not afford multiple quadros and or quadros clock speeds being so slow they could not meet said deadlines causing them to lose business. It stayed like this up until the GTX 480. This was done not as a benefit for the gamer, but to try to force us that needed a workstation/gaming gpu to buy quadros again. It didn't happen most went to AMD got their cake and could eat it too. So in an attempt to lure us back they created the GTX Titan that once again had the whole chip but since our market is so small they thought hey how can we sell more of these, so they slapped Geforce on the side. Many gamers fell for it hook line and sinker, and paid about a grand per card. This carried on to the GTX Titan Black, and the TitanZ. Once again in nvidia's greed has gotten the best of them since 3d artist, scientist and engineers all used the Titans due to their higher clock speeds, and why three years later even a used Titan will get you a fair price if you sell. So nvidia without saying much stripped more of the workstation features off the card, many early adopters buying it for the work/play reasons or small companies trying to get by were not happy campers. Double precision had been hacked off it still has the logical processing cores, but with the other features gone, crazy mathematical calculations/simulations can no longer be done. Even the viewports of major industry standard software packages no longer work as intended because of the greed that is nvidia. It is why they removed my question when I asked it because it could hurt sales because what they had done is pure greed its just that simple. Now the GTX TitanX is more of a gamers card but with those logical processing cores that you do not need for gaming it does not get the overclock headroom that people are getting with their 980 TI's. You honestly paid more for less, you got about 6gb more vram than your last Titans but the workstation features the only one left is the logical processing cores like I have said already. The Fury X runs circles around the GTX TitanX in maya crushes it, actually, even the old Titans are out performing it. So yes to me the GTX TitanX is pure garbage and is overpriced for what it is. Those that support that kind of business practice that is greed and do so blindly are part of the problem with companies charging more for less. The saying its for gaming now it maybe but its being held back because it still has its logical processing cores that hold it back, and them saying it is pure marketing to reel in the suckers. Like lephron says until we speak with our wallets they will keep seeing how much more they can get away with and keep ripping consumers like you off that are willing to pay more for less. Because of the TitanX being so stripped down it will not sell as well used later in 3 years like the GTX Titan/Titan Black and Titan Z have retained most of their value because of people like me that refused to let nvidia take advantage of them, so those cards even used are highly sought after. But back on topic the issues with Skylake from the flimsy silicon to this error is Intel seeing if they can get away with charging more for less just like the TitanX its really that simple unfortunately.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
Friday, January 15, 2016 5:57 AM
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LOL, it takes a 980 ti @ 1530MHz to catch a Titan X @ 1400MHz... https://youtu.be/B2-gCXscH04?t=5m Get a Titan X to 1450 or 1500 and the 980 Ti is getting dusted even more.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
Friday, January 15, 2016 6:19 AM
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Sajin LOL, it takes a 980 ti @ 1530MHz to catch a Titan X @ 1400MHz... https://youtu.be/B2-gCXscH04?t=5m Get a Titan X to 1450 or 1500 and the 980 Ti is getting dusted even more. 
How about a kingpin? And I would not call that leaving in the dust and destroying it especially how much extra someone paid per frame on a TitanX, even the other graphs you showed I would not even call that winning 2k in gpus vs 1240-1300. Just saying ;)
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
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The original Titan was referred to as a gaming supercomputer card. It was aimed as a hybrid card. Max performance for gaming and at the same time, double precision for compute. It was actually a good multi-purpose card. Titan X got rid of the compute portion and became a pure gaming card. Yes people are paying more than a 980Ti but they get the full GM200 chip and twice the vram. Also as Sajin said, a 980Ti must be clocked decently higher to match the Titan X. I had my Titan X @ 1521/8000, won't be easy to keep up with that on a 980Ti unless you're at around 1650/8000, which most cards won't do. Also yes Fury X beats the Titan X in compute but if you look carefully in some other compute benchmarks, Hawaii actually performs better than Fiji depending on the workload. AMD has also gone a bit more gamer oriented with their latest cards, not just nVidia. Pascal and Polaris should change that soon hopefully. As for the whole Skylake bug, luckily a BIOS update will fix the issue. There's already a BIOS update coming for my laptop that will fix the issue so I'm sure other manufacturers will follow suit.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
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You might want to talk to Anshel aka Russian Haxor who is now in Forbes and works for one of the large tech consulting firms about who the Titan was originally aimed at, I know because I am a developer on the game asset sides of things. Sit down and do the math GTX TitanX price minus the price of a 980 ti or the G1. Now get the average frame difference and use that and the price difference of the two cards to get how much you pay per frame. But glad a bios fix will solve the issue now if they can fix the flimsy silicon know a handful of reviewers cursing the chip because of that not being able to get reviews done.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
Friday, January 15, 2016 11:21 AM
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All GeForce cards are for gamers. I didn't like because NVIDIA first need help of double precision as excuse to sell first gaming card for 1000$. But now NVIDIA evolve, customers are dressed and used and they go further, special now when dollar is stronger card will cost 1500 euro in Europe.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
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*darth voice* The intel and NVidia hate is strong in this one! There's nothing wrong with it that 1) Being careful (with the pcb) and 2) updating the CPU code won't fix. If you think there aren't bugs in AMD's products you're naïve. Not really an issue ...and I work with computer stuff all day for a job.
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Re: Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
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honestly skylake vs haswell, is a wash skylake's IPC is maybe 5% so if this bug and the weak PCB bother you just stay on haswell or just buy haswell.
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transdogmifier *darth voice* The intel and NVidia hate is strong in this one! There's nothing wrong with it that 1) Being careful (with the pcb) and 2) updating the CPU code won't fix. If you think there aren't bugs in AMD's products you're naïve. Not really an issue ...and I work with computer stuff all day for a job.
All companies have their issues. I speak with my wallet more and more as the years add up. Anyone that has been on these forums the past nine years will tell you I have stuck with nvidia and Intel until recently this year. The issue lies when there is no competition the company on top resorts to charging more for less. Skylake and the GeForce lineup show that in its purest form.
post edited by donta1979 - Friday, January 15, 2016 8:14 PM
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