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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/07 10:06:58 (permalink)
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When sales of the GTX780 began to taper, Nvidia released the 780Ti, which was 15/15ths the FP32 performance of a GK110 GPU; the 780TI took the 780 price point, and the 780 price was reduced. Then the Titan Black was released so there was still an excuse to charge $1000. The titan black differs from a 780 ti in frame buffer, and FP64 only.
 

 
It had nothing to do with sales and everything to do with AMD releasing faster cards for lower prices. Nvidia will never willingly let AMD beat them in performance. Literally, the 290X/290 was launched, a week later 780 Ti was announced, and a month later it shipped. 
 
How the new series following Titan X plays out depends completely on what AMD releases in what is likely to be June at Computex. If AMD brings the performance, we will see a full GM200 6 GB card. If Nvidia can beat them without bringing the full chip, then they will let the Titan have the advantage and the new "flagship" will be a cut down version.
 
How this all plays out is basically entirely dependent on AMD. As a consumer, depending on AMD is a scary thought.

 
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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/07 11:41:29 (permalink)
Well for me, I game on a 4k 65" Panasonic TV and driving games that run at 4k/60fps is challenging even for my current original GTX Titan's, so I am looking forward to this card if the tests come out good for it.  I personally still think that a single Titan X will not do 4k/60fps in modern games with settings on Max, I still think we are a few years away from a single GPU that can do this, so if the price is right and the specs are good, I am looking at investing in 2 of the Titan X cards.
 

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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/08 04:35:00 (permalink)
LAME over priced crap!! That thing is going to depreciate like a mother trucker. Give it 6 months and you lost already at least 35% of what it costed. I do have to admit it looks pretty though but not for the price tag. 


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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/08 04:38:47 (permalink)
Just like the titan z, the price will drop in a few months IF people aren't silly enough to waste the money, but we all know that some gamers will have to buy this because big numbers make their epeen grow 500% and they can't help but impress all the boys posing as girls online.
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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/08 08:00:39 (permalink)
Just like the titan z, the price will drop in a few months IF people aren't silly enough to waste the money, but we all know that some gamers will have to buy this because big numbers make their epeen grow 500% and they can't help but impress all the boys posing as girls online.


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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/08 10:43:20 (permalink)
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$1K+ for a Gamer GPU, it better come in plated black gold.....


Not really a gamer gpu, it can be though and will do it very very well. It falls more along the lines for those of us who work/play at home who need the gpu ram for hair sims, gpu real time rendering, need those logical processing cores for modeling without having to deal with constant crashes while modeling or uving... Gamers that buy this gpu are pushing insane surround, expect every bit of eye candy possible, are into VR, or are the misinformed buyer that will just buy something because its the most expensive.

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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/08 10:47:08 (permalink)
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Just like the titan z, the price will drop in a few months IF people aren't silly enough to waste the money, but we all know that some gamers will have to buy this because big numbers make their epeen grow 500% and they can't help but impress all the boys posing as girls online.

Sadly that will not be the case, how long did the Titan and Titan black stay at its price, and the Titan Z stay at the 3k price point for how long until the eol of the 700/titan series. They only lowered the Titan Z's price down to 1400 so vendors and etailers would not be stuck with a product they could not sell. Sadly the Titan X will be the same thing all over again unfortunately=/ I miss the days from the 7000 or 8000 series to the 480's where the logical processing cores where not disabled.=/ Big reason the Titan came out... those of us who needed them at home for work/play refused to buy quadro or tesla gpus... since they where too slow to work/play on or work and check out work without it being a stutter fest...

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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/08 10:48:23 (permalink)
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LAME over priced crap!! That thing is going to depreciate like a mother trucker. Give it 6 months and you lost already at least 35% of what it costed. I do have to admit it looks pretty though but not for the price tag. 


I don't see it depreciating until its replacement comes out, or production stops and the msrp gets dropped so vendors and etailers can get rid of them at least like they did on the TitanZ anyways, The TitanX nope don't see it happening. Unfortunately... I waited to get my Titan after the EOL of the Titan/700 series and the release of the 980's.
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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/08 11:10:50 (permalink)
Titan/Black has never dropped the price and there was demand for them until the moment they discontinued them. Titan Z that was one preposterous mistake Nvidia did, so let's just hope they won't make the same mistake not for our sake, but for theirs.
If....BIG If, because  people seems  to already speculating price before card is out, if the price is unreasonable, well there will be always first few  people to jump the ship and if  and when ship start to sink, I'm sure Nvidia will do the same thing they did with Titan Z, that's my few cents
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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/08 14:03:14 (permalink)
The black color is surely one of the best looking cooler out there.
 
But it's such a shame... owners who are rich enough to buy them would strip them down to watercool them anyway lol
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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/09 09:16:15 (permalink)
Some benchmarks would be handy over these rumors, then again if AMD Prices their R9 390X under 500 Euro's/USD  well you can grab two and still save money, hence being the R9 290X is slightly faster than the GTX 780 Ti / Titan Black to as fast nowadays.
 
AMD Will beat it by smarter pricing, and by taking the crown with the best price performance even if it's their top end card, smarter marketing and more honest to the customer if you'd ask me, also you know what you will be buying when it comes to AMD Radeons, the GTX 970 & 980 scandal 3.5GB VRAM oh dear, this one might have 10GB over the full 12GB.. ya never know where that will go, I just hope this won't be the case.
 
Now this could be a different case with the TITAN X & GTX 980 TI, hence to the different VRAM Interface, but them being Maxwell, that VRAM Special buffer if it's there should be told and explained to the customer, before selling millions...That was very dishonest of NVIDIA to hide that from their customers, it's a form of lieing imo.
 
But hey no harm done yet, I'd be very interested on what this thing can do, I am also interested in it's Dual Precision Performance compared to that of the TITAN Black, TITAN Classic & TITAN Z, as being it is meant for the Niche market so the Price would seem obvious, but worth it? nah to me such a card is worth 900 euro, no more, but yer production & technology value is even far less that that.
 
But it's still Cheaper than your average Quadro & Tesla so for the Professional Market it's a very interesting and much cheaper choice.


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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/09 09:39:36 (permalink)
There was a 980 scandal?


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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/09 10:36:54 (permalink)
Any guess on the PCB size? I would like to transfer over my water cooling block from my original titan.


        
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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/09 12:03:35 (permalink)
just how practical would this be for normal gaming?
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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/09 12:37:11 (permalink)
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just how practical would this be for normal gaming?


As practical as you want it to be, also depends what you mean by normal? it will play normal AAA pc games, if i had the money i would purchase one or two it's as simple as that really, if i had the money i would purchase next gen virtual reality gear too. The GTX Titan X is touted as NVIDIA’s next-gen flagship GPU based on the Maxwell architecture. Loaded with 12 GB of frame buffer and 8 billion transistors, it has the power to drive the most amazing and impressive content and unique VR experiences unveiled by Epic Games, Oculus, and Crytek at GDC 2015.
 
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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/09 13:51:39 (permalink)
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There was a 980 scandal?


Nope, just 970. Not sure what Gold Leader is talking about 980 gaving 3.5+.5. Also 290x beating 780ti? Thought that this was proven that majority of benchmarks and games 780ti was top dog, with only some being 290x top dog.
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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/09 13:52:47 (permalink)
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Any guess on the PCB size? I would like to transfer over my water cooling block from my original titan.


You wont be able to do that. It looks like the layout is completly different.
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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/09 17:25:36 (permalink)
I'd buy a one way plane ticket to Syria for $1350 before I paid that much for one card. 
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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/09 19:32:55 (permalink)
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I'd buy a one way plane ticket to Syria for $1350 before I paid that much for one card. 


LOL! With cash and purchased the day you want fly.



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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/09 20:46:34 (permalink)
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When sales of the GTX780 began to taper, Nvidia released the 780Ti, which was 15/15ths the FP32 performance of a GK110 GPU; the 780TI took the 780 price point, and the 780 price was reduced. Then the Titan Black was released so there was still an excuse to charge $1000. The titan black differs from a 780 ti in frame buffer, and FP64 only.
 

 
It had nothing to do with sales and everything to do with AMD releasing faster cards for lower prices. Nvidia will never willingly let AMD beat them in performance. Literally, the 290X/290 was launched, a week later 780 Ti was announced, and a month later it shipped. 
 
How the new series following Titan X plays out depends completely on what AMD releases in what is likely to be June at Computex. If AMD brings the performance, we will see a full GM200 6 GB card. If Nvidia can beat them without bringing the full chip, then they will let the Titan have the advantage and the new "flagship" will be a cut down version.
 
How this all plays out is basically entirely dependent on AMD. As a consumer, depending on AMD is a scary thought.




Right on all counts. I was focusing more on chronology than causality, in an effort to remind people they'd seen this all before in Kepler.

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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/09 20:46:40 (permalink)
This $1350 is a speculated price, right?

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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/09 22:53:45 (permalink)
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This $1350 is a speculated price, right?




yes, no official price is set. There is alot of rumors going on. One states that Titan X is a pure gaming card without DP, and priced 800-900. Another is that the Titan X is just like the old titans, and will be prices 1100-1300. I tend to believe the later, but the former if they allow companies like EVGA and ASUS to make custom PCB's for the titan, then I wouldn't mind the earlier.
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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/10 04:41:29 (permalink)
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LAME over priced crap!! That thing is going to depreciate like a mother trucker. Give it 6 months and you lost already at least 35% of what it costed. I do have to admit it looks pretty though but not for the price tag. 


I don't see it depreciating until its replacement comes out, or production stops and the msrp gets dropped so vendors and etailers can get rid of them at least like they did on the TitanZ anyways, The TitanX nope don't see it happening. Unfortunately... I waited to get my Titan after the EOL of the Titan/700 series and the release of the 980's.


Ahh yeah it will. Like I said every 6 months happens to mostly everything that is electronic hardware related. Also if the price tag of the so called $1300 is true, I am sure it will go down in price because not many people will be able to afford it. For sure 100% fact it will depreciate in 1 years time. The replacement model will be in a lot sooner as we may think. Creation in computer hardware is getting faster and faster. Lets not forget how Nvidia roles. They never release cards with their 100% performance potential anymore. They tend to hold back about 40%-60% of the time and then release its "replacement"  in 6 months to a year advertising it as a new card even though its basically the same card but with its full potential then. Catch my drift?


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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/10 10:08:40 (permalink)
seta8967There is alot of rumors going on. One states that Titan X is a pure gaming card without DP, and priced 800-900. Another is that the Titan X is just like the old titans, and will be prices 1100-1300. I tend to believe the later, but the former if they allow companies like EVGA and ASUS to make custom PCB's for the titan, then I wouldn't mind the earlier.

If the GTX TITAN X does not have 1/3 FP64 double precision compared with NVIDIA gaming card's 1/8 FP64, then it isn't a TITAN. The TITAN series is always sold as a dual purpose gaming and entry level compute card.
 
I would never purchase the TITAN X as a gaming card unless I needed the 10 + 2 gigs of VRAM. Otherwise I'd wait for NVIDIA to release a purposed gaming card with crippled double-precision performance because it'll be less expensive than a TITAN series card. However, if someone's got the cash to rock multiple SLI TITAN X and multiple 4k monitors, then great!

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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/10 10:33:17 (permalink)
Score is nice compare to GTX980.
Excellent they show Graphics Score.
As I thought, R9-295X is only little stronger and that's excellent if we compare dual hot graphic card with necessary AIO system with one nice elegant and reference single card. Special overclocked Titan X is very close to R9-295X. Probably Titan X version with 12GB not crippled for memory will have best chips. Excellent hardware.
 
 

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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/10 10:51:07 (permalink)
Doing the math it looks like it's about 40% faster than a 980 and they were able to do a 15% overclock.
 
Is it just me or does it seem insane that the quad SLI scaling is pretty much 400%?  Does 3DMark just scale really well historically? 

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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/10 17:14:15 (permalink)
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Doing the math it looks like it's about 40% faster than a 980 and they were able to do a 15% overclock.
 
Is it just me or does it seem insane that the quad SLI scaling is pretty much 400%?  Does 3DMark just scale really well historically? 


 
I don't think it ever scaled that well in the past. Can always get some old benchmarks to compare.
 
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seta8967There is alot of rumors going on. One states that Titan X is a pure gaming card without DP, and priced 800-900. Another is that the Titan X is just like the old titans, and will be prices 1100-1300. I tend to believe the later, but the former if they allow companies like EVGA and ASUS to make custom PCB's for the titan, then I wouldn't mind the earlier.

If the GTX TITAN X does not have 1/3 FP64 double precision compared with NVIDIA gaming card's 1/8 FP64, then it isn't a TITAN. The TITAN series is always sold as a dual purpose gaming and entry level compute card.
 
I would never purchase the TITAN X as a gaming card unless I needed the 10 + 2 gigs of VRAM. Otherwise I'd wait for NVIDIA to release a purposed gaming card with crippled double-precision performance because it'll be less expensive than a TITAN series card. However, if someone's got the cash to rock multiple SLI TITAN X and multiple 4k monitors, then great!



Well we have only seen 1 iteration of the Titan and that was with Kepler. They may have changed it I mean there isn't much history for the titans. I mean the 780 was the first time Nvidia had a top tier card to have a "ti". And there is 6 generation before that.
 
I think the rumor started because an Nvidia rep acknowledged that people were upset about buy a 780 expecting it to be the top tier card for the 700 series, and then a 780ti comes out. Then people were complaining about how the Titan was marketed as a game card and it was a entry pro card. So people wanted to get rid of the "ti" and have the titan be more for gamers. Do I agree with it? Nope, I think there should be a x80ti and a Titan. The X80ti is an improvement over the X80, and the Titan is a entry pro category, I wish they would just stop saying gamer card and say "enthusiast and computation card" or something and then recategorize "Geforce" from "gamer brand" to "consumer brand" while the Nvidia Quaddro stays "business/professional class"
post edited by seta8967 - 2015/03/10 17:21:00
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Re: GTX TITAN X 2015/03/11 05:37:49 (permalink)
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Doing the math it looks like it's about 40% faster than a 980 and they were able to do a 15% overclock.
Nice, I'd say the maximum potential between them is 41.5%.  I take the square root of the GPU ratio (1002 x 3072 ÷ 1126 x 2048 = 1.348) multiplied by the bandwidth ratio (384 x 7000 ÷ 256 x 7000 = 1.5).   So in a real-world game if the separation in performance shows 35%, then it means that game was 35 ÷ 41 = 0.853, or 85% GPU-bound, which makes 15% CPU bound for the other fraction of performance.   
 
 
That's the logic I use anyway.   I analyze reviews for whether a game tested was fairly testing a component or not; those formulas help.
 
On the SLI-scaling on the Extreme preset; I see 95% gain for 2nd card, an additional 45% for the third card and 30% for the fourth card.  The number only says 427% because it is comparing an overclocked 4-way SLI setup to a stock single card.  The total gain for 4-way by the score is 31747 ÷ 8627 = 3.68, or 368% of the a single card-- so not perfect scaling but pretty high.
post edited by lehpron - 2015/03/11 05:44:22

For Intel processors, 0.122 x TDP = Continuous Amps at 12v [source].  

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