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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 10:11:37
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Overclocking is not only advantage of EVGA graphic cards, it's very important because customers of their hardware could replace cooler, thermal pads, thermal paste, to clean card after 1-2 year of usage in warranty, to install backplate.
You see with Hybrid coolers. Nobody will give you warranty to install him except EVGA. With other brands people need to hide everything, here they share their work, pictures, experience with others... Off course you scratch PCB and damage card you will lose warranty but they give you possibility to change something.
With other brands you are condemned on their solution or you need to hide.
This is very important with most expensive reference cards as TITAN series... You see TITAN X no backplate, naked cards...
Only EVGA offer backplate, Hybrid Cooler, ACX 2.0 Cooler, Hydro Copper or sell models with installed coolers on them, much higher clock and backplate.
If you compare ASUS TITAN X vs EVGA TITAN X SC and Hybrid Cooler in other box that's two different cards, faster, colder, look better, better warranty,...
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 10:18:07
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Metros
I know this is the wrong place to ask but with the Classified, does the warranty expire if you overclock the GPU, also what about overvolting it.
you can fully overclock this card. It is meant to be beaten. You can increase the voltage, it is meant to be increased. And you can warranty the card, as long as you don't take the beating part I mention earlier as using a hammer to beat the card. :-P :-) I have RMAed a card that I had down to -72c, and increased the voltage as well as attempted to overclock the card (it died before I got to the overclock part... whoops).
Just do not physically damage the card and you will be fine. Dropping the card, having a screwdriver slip and scratching the pcb would be physical damage.
Thanks, I was tolded by someone who works at Scan which is a computer shop, that asked an EVGA advisor and they said that overclocking voids the warranty I've just spoken with my contact at EVGA. He has stated the following; " In precision X when you unlock the voltage, there's a message that states this isn't supported and it's all at your own risk. Cards which have failed through overvolting can be detected upon inspection during RMA process and any cards that have been pushed further than they should be will not be replaced under warranty " This supercedes everything we've said so far as a company. EVGA do not support overvolting their cards, regardless of the cooler in use. How do you wish to proceed in light of the above? So was this not true about overclocking then
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 10:21:35
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Metros
Thanks, I will overclock both my GTX 980ti Classifieds when I get them without increasing the voltage for it.
They are overclocked 190MHz...but you want more, for what?  You will need more voltage probably... 190MHz for 250W power consumption is not small number at all. It's good because this model have Voltage Read Points too and you can check always voltage much accurate than any software. Software is not even capable to show all readings as Voltage Read Points. Card have and Dual BIOS and EVBot connector... They are very hard to find but soon EVGA will launch keyboard with EVBot inside... and connections with four graphic cards.
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 10:22:04
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I keep trying to link a post for you but it won't let me:
forums.evga.com/FindPost/2001113
An eVGA rep says "Nothing you do via Precision X will void the warranty."
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 10:26:09
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Mikezorg
I keep trying to link a post for you but it won't let me:
forums.evga.com/FindPost/2001113
An eVGA rep says "Nothing you do via Precision X will void the warranty."
That was two years ago though, trying to find something more recent from EVGA
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 10:27:26
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Vlada011
Metros
Thanks, I will overclock both my GTX 980ti Classifieds when I get them without increasing the voltage for it.
They are overclocked 190MHz...but you want more, for what?
You will need more voltage probably... 190MHz for 250W power consumption is not small number at all. It's good because this model have Voltage Read Points too and you can check always voltage much accurate than any software. Software is not even capable to show all readings as Voltage Read Points. Card have and Dual BIOS and EVBot connector... They are very hard to find but soon
EVGA will launch keyboard with EVBot inside... and connections with four graphic cards.
Well I want the best stable overclock, I have seen most GTX 980ti get to a stable 1500Mhz on core and round 8100Mhz on memory, I will be playing at 4K, so I want the best GPU I can get for it.
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 10:27:54
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That's warning for amateurs. You will not burn card if you pay attention. Some risk always persist, chance to someone burn card with Precision X only is minimal, you can burn card and with stock voltage, and that's risk. They are build to work on higher voltage than reference cards. One thing is very important, good cooling. People cross from reference models on fabric overclocked and think they will work and overclock same as reference and expect same temperatures, but they forget on 150-200MHz higher clock from start... +190 GPU Clock from start in this case. Imagine card with some dual cooler and you increase slide on +190, that's default for Classified models. You can't think on 4K with single card. Even TITAN X overclocked 200MHz will not help you much. You will not have playable fps in some games. Now everybody talk about 4K mostly to present that card have enough video memory. At least GTX980Ti SLI for 4K. GTX980Ti is card excellent for 2560x1440p, same as single TITAN X. In some game older you can play and 4K without filters but not in all new games with high and ultra textures.
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 11:05:11
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 It's stating the card could fail outside of the vendors warranty period, not that your warranty will be void, adjustments inside precision are safe.
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 11:06:16
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Vlada011
That's warning for amateurs. You will not burn card if you pay attention.
Some risk always persist, chance to someone burn card with Precision X only is minimal, you can burn card and with stock voltage, and that's risk.
They are build to work on higher voltage than reference cards.
One thing is very important, good cooling. People cross from reference models on fabric overclocked and think they will work and overclock same as reference and expect same temperatures, but they forget on 150-200MHz higher clock from start... +190 GPU Clock from start in this case.
Imagine card with some dual cooler and you increase slide on +190, that's default for Classified models.
You can't think on 4K with single card. Even TITAN X overclocked 200MHz will not help you much.
You will not have playable fps in some games. Now everybody talk about 4K mostly to present that card have enough video memory.
At least GTX980Ti SLI for 4K. GTX980Ti is card excellent for 2560x1440p, same as single TITAN X.
In some game older you can play and 4K without filters but not in all new games with high and ultra textures.
I will be getting two Classifieds for 4K, might even get three, depends on what DirectX 12 does in games.
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 11:13:55
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Metros
Thanks, I was tolded by someone who works at Scan which is a computer shop, that asked an EVGA advisor and they said that overclocking voids the warranty
I've just spoken with my contact at EVGA. He has stated the following;
" In precision X when you unlock the voltage, there's a message that states this isn't supported and it's all at your own risk. Cards which have failed through overvolting can be detected upon inspection during RMA process and any cards that have been pushed further than they should be will not be replaced under warranty "
This supercedes everything we've said so far as a company. EVGA do not support overvolting their cards, regardless of the cooler in use.
How do you wish to proceed in light of the above?
So was this not true about overclocking then
if you overvolt your card to 1.8 volts right off the bat, everything will melt more than likely. Under normal conditions, if you take your time, it won't be bad. Just go in slow increases and be cautious of temperatures. A lot of time, your honestly don't even need to tough voltage with Maxwell to see substantial gains. The architecture is amazing and works wonderful.
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 11:25:38
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I think it will not be possible to increase voltage on 1.8V. Probably max on 1.5V. I now saw, Zotac want to launch card with 1250MHz Base clock, GTX980Ti AMP Extreme Edition. How is possible to give so high fabric clock, that's insane speed. EVGA than should increase clock for GTX980Ti K|NGP|N Classified and to bin chip nicely. Because and Galaxy and Zotac will go far above 1200MHz Base clock. Zotac with Air Cooling. For such card is enough if she work on fabric speed stable. People will fight for them and if Zotac screw something with stability that will follow him long time. Really EVGA should launch than KP version with 1250MHz or with only 1200MHz card will be far inferior in 3DMark to other models. 60MHz is nice little difference.
post edited by Vlada011 - 2015/07/02 11:28:23
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 11:49:45
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Scarlet-Tech
The clocks are only guaranteed up to the factory overclock and nothing higher than that.
I really want to bow down to you for quoting that. LOTS of people and their mother don't even bother to keep that in mind, or are aware of the fact that if it doesn't overclock, EVGA is not really going help them on it, other than to RMA their card, but then they might ship it right back to the person and send them a letter that there is nothing wrong with their card. Don't get me wrong, EVGA promotes overclocking, but they're not going to "guarantee it". That statement ("The clocks are only guaranteed up to the factory overclock and nothing higher than that.") is well overlooked, and thrown out the window by way too many individuals. . .They assume if it doesn't overclock, then their card is broken. Which is why some should not build PCs.  "But it's the drivers!" lawlz 
post edited by stalinx20 - 2015/07/02 12:04:36
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 12:14:16
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Mikezorg
forums.evga.com/FindPost/2001113
An eVGA rep says "Nothing you do via Precision X will void the warranty."
This ^
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 13:30:56
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The clocks are only guaranteed up to the factory overclock and nothing higher than that.
I really want to bow down to you for quoting that. LOTS of people and their mother don't even bother to keep that in mind, or are aware of the fact that if it doesn't overclock, EVGA is not really going help them on it, other than to RMA their card, but then they might ship it right back to the person and send them a letter that there is nothing wrong with their card. Don't get me wrong, EVGA promotes overclocking, but they're not going to "guarantee it". That statement ("The clocks are only guaranteed up to the factory overclock and nothing higher than that.") is well overlooked, and thrown out the window by way too many individuals. . .They assume if it doesn't overclock, then their card is broken. Which is why some should not build PCs.
"But it's the drivers!" lawlz
Yes, and people should be satisfied with factory overclocked cards, special if someone of them work on high clock. But if premium models start to crash on benchmark tests and most demanding games on fabric clock than really manufacturers should pay that with reputation. And if they back fault card to customers, I would not back them again to RMA. I would send to reviews sponsored by some competitors to show world, I would not ask to back me card, only to send further and explain that such model is backed from manufacturer as normal. That's my opinion. Last 2 years EVGA didn't had nicest graphic card for OC...They had lot of unstable cards among premium models and 1-2 completely destroyed series where buying card is literally gambling for factory speed. Now situation become interesting because and other brands notice that people want to buy overclocked model and to play games and EVGA will have big competition, no more SC models work on higher speed than most cards, Classified faster than all premium. Now EVGA will need to bin nicely cards or their models will be inferior on fabric speed.
post edited by Vlada011 - 2015/07/02 13:33:43
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 13:41:05
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That's worse if someone have unstable card and later even manufacturer not test good as send back as normal. That happen to people in my country with GIGABYTE constantly and Sapphire... I would only record proof for people on youtube, but I would not ask RMA again if they recognize mistake, NO, 100%, I'm very stubborn, from that moment my life mission would be destroying reputation of that brand. Even if later they want to pay shipping and new card, NO, No way. If they decide that fault card is normal than such card should stay next years as mirror of company available to everybody who are not sure what to do. Maybe that help them. In my country, 3 times, people 3 times send package in service, than service send to manufacturer than in opposite direction, 20-30 mails for one hardware... That's not acceptable.
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 13:49:31
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Sajin
It's stating the card could fail outside of the vendors warranty period, not that your warranty will be void, adjustments inside precision are safe.
Well the outside of your vendors warranty seems that it will break the warranty, I might be reading it wrong but I am not sure about it. Never mind I looked at it again, it is saying that after the 5 years warranty, the GPU might fail because of the overvolt on it.
post edited by Metros - 2015/07/02 13:52:12
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 14:37:28
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well people expected a lot from 980 classified cards because they were more than $50 premium..
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 19:24:22
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This is why we Classify! I would expect the same out of the ti's. Would some company "EK" hint hint please make a water block soon for da twins. 
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 19:42:05
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I got my Amazon order for my Classified (and Hybrid) arriving this Wednesday. Look forward to a comparison!
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 20:04:22
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AMP_US
I got my Amazon order for my Classified (and Hybrid) arriving this Wednesday. Look forward to a comparison!
When did you order your classified? I ordered mine on June 26th and still no info on shipping date.
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 20:07:21
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AMP_US
I got my Amazon order for my Classified (and Hybrid) arriving this Wednesday. Look forward to a comparison!
When did you order your classified? I ordered mine on June 26th and still no info on shipping date.
I ordered mine on the 26th as well.
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 20:18:24
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kpjoslee
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I got my Amazon order for my Classified (and Hybrid) arriving this Wednesday. Look forward to a comparison!
When did you order your classified? I ordered mine on June 26th and still no info on shipping date.
I ordered mine on the 26th as well.
I see...If I don't get anything updated tomorrow, then I may have lucked out on first batch lol.
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/02 22:54:43
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Man, judging by the holes on the back of the 980 Classy vs the 980ti Classy, there's only ONE that's in a different place. I wonder if the EKWB for the 980 classy could be adapted to fit, even if it took a bit of light work with a mill. I really don't want to have to either A) wait 6 months again for a waterblock, or B) change my loop that's designed for the taller classy cards to work with a 980ti reference (and have to buy another WB to boot). Someone needs to post a naked pic of that sexy 980ti classy when they get one. :)
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/03 01:43:29
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Still no word on stock for European customers? Kinda feel like we're being left in the dark here.
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/03 01:47:29
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Is the EVGA Classified worth over the SC? What is the practical difference with the Class.? I would use the card with the air fan.
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/03 02:12:39
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I'm camping for the Classified and I've never bought from the EVGA Europe shop here before so I'd like to ask, during the transaction is VAT added on top when you go to pay? My brain is telling me it is not included in the listed price because it is in Euros to begin with but I want to make absolutely sure. After converting the Euros to £s and adding VAT, it works out similar to what it is listed on other online shops so I could preorder and save some stress. But if the price listed already includes VAT then I could save myself £100ish by camping here. Any help from experienced customers would be appreciated. Thanks for reading!
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/03 02:19:41
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Is the EVGA Classified worth over the SC? What is the practical difference with the Class.? I would use the card with the air fan.
Honestly, it greatly depends on your perspective on what's "worth" it. In a strictly pragmatic sense, the stock Classified only has a slightly higher stock boost clock, a more robust power delivery circuitery and a bigger cooler that's more capable but not necessarily more quiet all for about 40 bucks more than the sc acx. Is that worth 40 bucks to you? Personally, I'd say it's totally worth it but that's considering that the classified cards used to be way way more expensive over the reference boards. People would get them for the offchance of landing an amazing chip to match the amazing board and watercool them for about 15% more performance over the best flagship gpu of that generation by spending another couple hundred bucks on the waterblocks and related gear. It never pretended to be cost efficient but it was always one of the only ways of getting the best gaming performance possible without the impractible nature of ln2 or dry ice, not to mention that the whole experience of building the rig and overclocking/benching is a very satisfying hobby for a lot of us. If that's not your idea of fun and you're not going to do any of that and just plan on using the stock air cooler, you will most likely get the same experience within a few % with an acx sc model and save the price difference and buy yourself a game...
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/03 04:03:03
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JinKazamaDor
I'm camping for the Classified and I've never bought from the EVGA Europe shop here before so I'd like to ask, during the transaction is VAT added on top when you go to pay? My brain is telling me it is not included in the listed price because it is in Euros to begin with but I want to make absolutely sure.
After converting the Euros to £s and adding VAT, it works out similar to what it is listed on other online shops so I could preorder and save some stress.
But if the price listed already includes VAT then I could save myself £100ish by camping here.
Any help from experienced customers would be appreciated. Thanks for reading!
It's including VAT at 20%. So about £580. Might have to pay for delivery though.
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/03 04:08:46
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Ohhh okay, I'm staying here then it seems. Thank you 
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Re: GTX 980 TI Classified
2015/07/03 04:14:14
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Yep. Likewise. Camp time. However I do have an order on a certain other website who are meant to receive stock today. I kinda hope they don't so I don't get billed the crazy price. I worked out the final price through PayPal if you're interested: it'll come to £616 including delivery to the UK. The savings start to disappear when you see the actual currency conversion rates rather than the reported rates on Google.
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