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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
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Here is what the guys over at Hardocp are saying about the 3gb vram vs 4gb vram. These opinions were from a 780ti vs 290x at 4K review
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GTX 780 Ti 3GB versus R9 290X 4GB
In all of our testing today, we tried to look for the differences between 3GB and 4GB of VRAM while gaming. We encountered no scenarios in these games where the 3GB of VRAM on the GTX 780 Ti was holding it back at Ultra HD 4K gaming. We also encountered no scenarios where the 4GB was an advantage on the R9 290X.
The reason why we aren't seeing the difference between VRAM capacity right now is because these cards aren't fast enough to exploit the kind of game settings that would push the limits of VRAM. At this resolution these just aren't fast enough to exploit the highest in-game settings, and high levels of AA.
We think the difference in VRAM capacity isn't going to show itself until you are running SLI and CrossFire plus you need to be running the right game that loads up the VRAM. Right now, that is few and far between in the games that demand such a large VRAM capacity. BF4 is one game that may show a difference, and we have lots planned for BF4 testing in the future.
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/14 08:15:53
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Here is what the guys over at Hardocp are saying about the 3gb vram vs 4gb vram. These opinions were from a 780ti vs 290x at 4K review
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GTX 780 Ti 3GB versus R9 290X 4GB
In all of our testing today, we tried to look for the differences between 3GB and 4GB of VRAM while gaming. We encountered no scenarios in these games where the 3GB of VRAM on the GTX 780 Ti was holding it back at Ultra HD 4K gaming. We also encountered no scenarios where the 4GB was an advantage on the R9 290X.
The reason why we aren't seeing the difference between VRAM capacity right now is because these cards aren't fast enough to exploit the kind of game settings that would push the limits of VRAM. At this resolution these just aren't fast enough to exploit the highest in-game settings, and high levels of AA.
We think the difference in VRAM capacity isn't going to show itself until you are running SLI and CrossFire plus you need to be running the right game that loads up the VRAM. Right now, that is few and far between in the games that demand such a large VRAM capacity. BF4 is one game that may show a difference, and we have lots planned for BF4 testing in the future.
I'm sure that a lambo following the law on the highway will not go faster than my car, but that does not mean is not faster. Anyways, never had an AMD nor want to but right now when I will purchase my new setup I will not by NVidia because I will not pay more for less
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/14 10:41:58
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The post was only stating what they found no advantages in the 3gb 780ti vs 290x 4gb
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/14 11:01:13
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I still find that Nvidia is loosing the edge
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/14 18:24:48
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Has anyone heard about the the black edition? Apparently its gonna be available in 6gb and 12gb models with the base clock bumped up to 1000mhz. EDIT: I see that a mod already smacked down this rumor.
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/15 05:05:25
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I still find that Nvidia is loosing the edge
Ok. But as a consumer i like the competition between Nvidia and Amd. I am too new to be a fanboy of either company. So far because of Amds' new R7 and R9 series they forced Nvidia to lower prices and bring out their new 780ti at $699usd outrageous pricing. Now when Nvidia made the Titian and on introduction( put a exorbitant price of $1000usd on it) Then when the 780 came out at $650usd us stupid consumers bought because,Titian performance at $350usd discount. Very smart marketing ploy on their part. And we went for it hook line and sinker. Nvidia is no ones friend,just a friend of you wallet. No worries though nvidia will recover when maxwell gets here. Personally i would like to see Amd continue what they are doing for a while. As i see it, Amd in the middle because Intel trying to stick one down their throats and Nvidia trying to stick one up their butts,not a pretty picture. Just saying
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/15 07:00:24
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01Wolverine
Here is what the guys over at Hardocp are saying about the 3gb vram vs 4gb vram. These opinions were from a 780ti vs 290x at 4K review
Quote:
GTX 780 Ti 3GB versus R9 290X 4GB
In all of our testing today, we tried to look for the differences between 3GB and 4GB of VRAM while gaming. We encountered no scenarios in these games where the 3GB of VRAM on the GTX 780 Ti was holding it back at Ultra HD 4K gaming. We also encountered no scenarios where the 4GB was an advantage on the R9 290X.
The reason why we aren't seeing the difference between VRAM capacity right now is because these cards aren't fast enough to exploit the kind of game settings that would push the limits of VRAM. At this resolution these just aren't fast enough to exploit the highest in-game settings, and high levels of AA.
We think the difference in VRAM capacity isn't going to show itself until you are running SLI and CrossFire plus you need to be running the right game that loads up the VRAM. Right now, that is few and far between in the games that demand such a large VRAM capacity. BF4 is one game that may show a difference, and we have lots planned for BF4 testing in the future.
With next gen (PS4 and xbox one) coming, games will start to use much higher res textures and effects that demand more memory. So, buying a 3 GB high-end card is not future-proof at all.
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/15 08:11:36
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I sold my SLI 670 4gbs for a 780 ti and i have no problems what so ever anywhere. I have superior gaming in every game, but the main reason i bought this was for games that didnt use SLI, Company of Heroes 2, Rome 2, Planet side 2 does support SLI but runs far worse with it on than off. Huge gains over the 670 there. Zero issues maxing out games, minimum FPS are much higher than the SLI rig, but maximum actually is a fair bit more than my 670s were doing in a few games like BF4 and Crysis3. Was not expecting that. Over all, my gaming experience is much smoother and better on this card. But i also am forced to game on 1080P cause of the fact i need 120 hz and am not aware of any higher res screens that do high HZ.
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/15 08:55:03
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HenryGR
I still find that Nvidia is loosing the edge
Ok. But as a consumer i like the competition between Nvidia and Amd. I am too new to be a fanboy of either company.
So far because of Amds' new R7 and R9 series they forced Nvidia to lower prices and bring out their new 780ti at $699usd outrageous pricing.
Now when Nvidia made the Titian and on introduction( put a exorbitant price of $1000usd on it) Then when the 780 came out
at $650usd us stupid consumers bought because,Titian performance at $350usd discount. Very smart marketing ploy on their part.
And we went for it hook line and sinker. Nvidia is no ones friend,just a friend of you wallet.
No worries though nvidia will recover when maxwell gets here.
Personally i would like to see Amd continue what they are doing for a while. As i see it, Amd in the middle because Intel trying to stick one down their
throats and Nvidia trying to stick one up their butts,not a pretty picture.
Just saying
I completely agree. The better AMD gets the better Nvidia has to be and vice versa. Without competition from different companies we would be F*****
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/15 09:35:42
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01Wolverine
Here is what the guys over at Hardocp are saying about the 3gb vram vs 4gb vram. These opinions were from a 780ti vs 290x at 4K review
Quote:
GTX 780 Ti 3GB versus R9 290X 4GB
In all of our testing today, we tried to look for the differences between 3GB and 4GB of VRAM while gaming. We encountered no scenarios in these games where the 3GB of VRAM on the GTX 780 Ti was holding it back at Ultra HD 4K gaming. We also encountered no scenarios where the 4GB was an advantage on the R9 290X.
The reason why we aren't seeing the difference between VRAM capacity right now is because these cards aren't fast enough to exploit the kind of game settings that would push the limits of VRAM. At this resolution these just aren't fast enough to exploit the highest in-game settings, and high levels of AA.
We think the difference in VRAM capacity isn't going to show itself until you are running SLI and CrossFire plus you need to be running the right game that loads up the VRAM. Right now, that is few and far between in the games that demand such a large VRAM capacity. BF4 is one game that may show a difference, and we have lots planned for BF4 testing in the future.
With next gen (PS4 and xbox one) coming, games will start to use much higher res textures and effects that demand more memory. So, buying a 3 GB high-end card is not future-proof at all.
There is no such term as future proofing in technology.That is where Maxwell comes in!! Besides Hardocp said that futher testing BF4 is one game that might show a difference.
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/15 09:41:28
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01Wolverine
HenryGR
I still find that Nvidia is loosing the edge
Ok. But as a consumer i like the competition between Nvidia and Amd. I am too new to be a fanboy of either company.
So far because of Amds' new R7 and R9 series they forced Nvidia to lower prices and bring out their new 780ti at $699usd outrageous pricing.
Now when Nvidia made the Titian and on introduction( put a exorbitant price of $1000usd on it) Then when the 780 came out
at $650usd us stupid consumers bought because,Titian performance at $350usd discount. Very smart marketing ploy on their part.
And we went for it hook line and sinker. Nvidia is no ones friend,just a friend of you wallet.
No worries though nvidia will recover when maxwell gets here.
Personally i would like to see Amd continue what they are doing for a while. As i see it, Amd in the middle because Intel trying to stick one down their
throats and Nvidia trying to stick one up their butts,not a pretty picture.
Just saying
I completely agree. The better AMD gets the better Nvidia has to be and vice versa. Without competition from different companies we would be F*****
Thanks to tell the truth i almost went for 780 sli until the 290 came. I think i might just do that until Maxwell
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/16 08:04:24
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780 Ti with 6GB = Titan refresh? Four please!! 
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/16 10:37:35
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780 Ti with 6GB = Titan refresh? Four please!!
I'll take quad Classified 780Ti 12gb for 11520x2160 surround please. Thank you, Monnie
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/16 11:06:16
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nnunn
780 Ti with 6GB = Titan refresh? Four please!!
I'll take quad Classified 780Ti 12gb for 11520x2160 surround please.
Thank you,
Monnie
/facepalm All I can say.
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/16 11:55:13
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nnunn
780 Ti with 6GB = Titan refresh? Four please!!
I'll take quad Classified 780Ti 12gb for 11520x2160 surround please.
Thank you,
Monnie
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/16 15:10:42
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I would be satisfied with one GTX780Ti Classified with 3GB for 1920x1080 to freely turn on max AA.
No I'm calm when 4GB is not advantage over 3GB. And I remember I didn't had more fps with 5870 2GB more than people with 5870 1GB.
Maybe 1fps more because sample was not bad for reference model.
OK I would choose mods for 3GB VRAM.
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/16 15:43:52
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nnunn
780 Ti with 6GB = Titan refresh? Four please!!
I'll take quad Classified 780Ti 12gb for 11520x2160 surround please.
Thank you,Monnie
If you have the cash it could be built Therein lies the catch 22: There are some that feel they "shouldn't have to" spend seven times more than a GTX780 Ti for a 12GB Quadro K6000, but don't mind the expense of a 4K surround setup. It is easy to wish/dream of things that aren't options, but when they come into existence, it is like no one plans for the worst (expense) while they hoped for the best. I'm certain EVGA knows that this thread is full of hype, that the true demand for a 6GB GTX780 Ti is much lower and thus far not worth pursuing-- but they aren't going to flat out say that because it would affect their enthusiast-oriented image by make those demanding a 6GB card feel insecure. Just easier to shift blame to nVidia... But like I said, if competition does something (whether another nVidia vendor makes a 6GB model or if an R9-290/290X came in over 4GB), then I'm sure EVGA will follow suit to either regain lost customers or get new ones from those other companies. 01Wolverine
There is no such term as future proofing in technology. But that's not what was meant; when most people use the word "future proof" they are talking mainly about their own usefulness of technology, i.e. they tend to and prefer to keep their system as is for as long as possible. They aren't talking about technology progress because only a tiny minority bother to keep up with it. The catch is software and quality preference; most people don't constantly change what they use, so they wouldn't need ever-changing technology to maintain their satisfaction. I for one believe in the term future-proof; through deliberate overkill, my system has lasted 5 years and I still don't see reason to change. But future-proofing is something many high-end folks will never experience-- thus deny possible-- because they have accepted that being on the edge means being forced to keep up with the change given to you. But while the option for deliberate overkill exists (via server/workstation market), many don't take it. They ironically claim they "shouldn't have to" pay so much like some console gamer or OEM user-- clearly not the attitude a hardware enthusiast that flaunts having the best should have.
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/16 16:07:49
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I thought same, if one decide to launch 6GB version, EVGA will follow and few other manufacturers, not all probably but some of them yes. Future-proof for me is some strong Processors and nice motherboard for CPU overclock to hold you 2 circle of graphic card...and offcourse staying with strongest single cards because only with them In my experience I can enjoy that 24 months with more details than people with 10-15-25% weaker cards in same period. No money to change such expensive cards as GTX670 and GTX770 every year, that better invest immediately as fast possible single and I never wrong with that. In my experience only that real strongest single GPU allow you to play on Max details even on 1920x1080 resolutions with filters and maybe with them in some games you need to set lower filters if you want to stay about 50 fps and more. Under 40-45% fps is not acceptable because it's completely different feeling in mouse and you need to stay near 45-50-55. Off course I buy card with thinking to miss next generation and go on second. That's not because me, I can't different really. And 20-25% stronger card for same money for 12 months after buying means lot. Example better future-proof option... One guy invest in strongest single card for next 24 months 700e Other invest every 12 months mid range and price same 2x example 400$ mid range... But first will play whole 24 months on higher settings that other for same money. That's better option for longer. It's not visible only in first 6 months. And than is visible with games as today.
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/16 21:20:58
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Here, I'll say it like this. Whomever makes a 6 GB GPU gets my money.
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/16 21:47:51
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Here, I'll say it like this. Whomever makes a 6 GB GPU gets my money.
You could buy a TITAN...ha ha.
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/17 00:08:27
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Hell, I've gone this long with 3x gtx 580 3gb.. I might as well wait until maxwell and hope they come by default with more than 3gb.
Because I game at 5760x1080, I need vram headroom. Especially because of games like BF4 that can challenge 3gb vram.
If by chance I need to upgrade before maxwell, I may just get a couple non-x 290's to hold me over..
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/17 00:51:11
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Here, I'll say it like this. Whomever makes a 6 GB GPU gets my money.
Came here to post this. Please release a 6Gb version.
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/17 01:41:53
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Here, I'll say it like this.
Whomever makes a 6 GB GPU gets my money.
I can't say like that... If Galaxy launch HOF 6GB example that can't pull me only because 6GB and 10MHz higher base clock. I mean only is important for me period of next 24 months, or 22 months or 25 depend when they launch GTX9xx...If 3GB is enough for that period than no problems, after that no need to worry because maybe we will see some new DirectX, real upgrade, or ... nobody can't say... and we will change cards.
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/17 05:58:12
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[quote=01Wolverine
There is no such term as future proofing in technology. But that's not what was meant; when most people use the word "future proof" they are talking mainly about their own usefulness of technology, i.e. they tend to and prefer to keep their system as is for as long as possible. They aren't talking about technology progress because only a tiny minority bother to keep up with it. The catch is software and quality preference; most people don't constantly change what they use, so they wouldn't need ever-changing technology to maintain their satisfaction. I for one believe in the term future-proof; through deliberate overkill, my system has lasted 5 years and I still don't see reason to change. But future-proofing is something many high-end folks will never experience-- thus deny possible-- because they have accepted that being on the edge means being forced to keep up with the change given to you. But while the option for deliberate overkill exists (via server/workstation market), many don't take it. They ironically claim they "shouldn't have to" pay so much like some console gamer or OEM user-- clearly not the attitude a hardware enthusiast that flaunts having the best should have. It clearly stated that i am not welcome here this will be my last post. should of pick a better place to be involved in
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/17 12:36:26
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I don't like term future proof, I prefer "future resistant" or better yet "lasts longer before it will no longer meet your needs and expectations"
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/17 12:38:28
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You guys are using the wrong words here.. You cant future proof anything.. You are simply trying to get the most out of your investment...
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/17 12:49:41
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I understand where everyone is coming from but tech is constantly changing. So are the needs of consumers. 4K TVs and monitors will be here in affordable prices within a few years. Graphics cards will probably support HDMI 2.0 in the next generation. It's a changing world.
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
2013/11/18 15:12:50
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Therein lies the catch 22: There are some that feel they "shouldn't have to" spend seven times more than a GTX780 Ti for a 12GB Quadro K6000, but don't mind the expense of a 4K surround setup. It is easy to wish/dream of things that aren't options, but when they come into existence, it is like no one plans for the worst (expense) while they hoped for the best.
I considered SLI Quadro K6000's for a 4k surround array so, I called nVidia's Quadro department and spoke with their senior engineer to find out the limitations. Per nVidia, Quadro K6000 is limited to no more than Tri-SLI and for SLI to be functional, be it Dual SLI or Tri SLI, it must be a complete system(s) sold by OEM partners that are "Quadro SLI Certified Platforms". So in other words, the nVidia Quadro Specialist said, "If you build your own system, then buy 3 Quadro K6000's, SLI would NOT work because it is not a Quadro SLI Certified Platform". He also said, "If building a 4K surround system, 12GB is recommended" lehpron
I'm certain EVGA knows that this thread is full of hype, that the true demand for a 6GB GTX780 Ti is much lower and thus far not worth pursuing-- but they aren't going to flat out say that because it would affect their enthusiast-oriented image by make those demanding a 6GB card feel insecure. Just easier to shift blame to nVidia...
From the information I have received, nVidia is limiting the board partners from producing a GTX 780Ti with greater than 3GB of vram. nVidia will remove this restriction when it benefits nVidia, not the board partners and/or consumers. Thank you, Monnie
post edited by MonnieRock - 2013/11/18 19:11:56
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Re: will gtx780ti release a 6gb edition？
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GTX780 6GB is same as GTX580 3GB...Only NVIDIA change politic. Became different than before 2-3 years.
Titan is nothing more than GTX580 in 2011. Pardon Titan is little different, I mean GTX780Ti.
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