2022/05/27 06:12:00
Audioboxer
ty_ger07
kraade
Not for nothing , there's 14 pages of conspiracy about the great under preforming 3080 450 watt XOC bios and 0 pages of people complaining my Kingpin wont hit 1000 watts on the 1000 watt bios, go figure 

Because one has a perfcap reason of pwr, and one doesn't. People only care when the perfcap reason is pwr and it shouldn't be. Go figure.
It has nothing to do with trying to force the card to be inefficient. It has everything to do with the card being neutered for no apparent reason.



I read apparently the 3080 FTW3 was going to be a 2 pin card and late on EVGA morphed it into a 3 pin, but now the third pin on the vanilla 3080 is some sort of "half job" rather than the proper way to do power delivery for 3 pins. No idea if this is just speculation or not (probably just incorrect owner guesswork), but it would help explain things. So the card is basically a 2.5 pin rather than 3 pin.
 
It does seem to make sense when you do testing, the 3rd pin on the 3080 FTW3 is just "busted". Can't seem to draw more than 75w of power when other 3080s from other manufacturers happily draw 120w+ on the 3rd pin. Here is a result from a Palit 3080 3 pin on a 450w BIOS
 
PCI-e slot 47W
8-pin #1 139W
8-pin #2 119W
8-pin #3 139W
Total 444W
 
Whatever they did, they quietly decided internally it was a mistake and fixed it on the 12GB model and Ti models which have no issue with a 450w BIOS and even beyond. It's incredibly frustrating to anyone who watercools the card and the only way I'd RMA is if EVGA accepted it was a flaw and that a refurb would fix power draw. But I can't get EVGA to even admit anything, presumably because they don't want it officially stated the original 3080s and even some 3090s it seems, have design flaws around power delivery.
 
Though I do think some people got them to admit the vanilla 3090 had power draw issues. Given the potential for a 3090 in terms of guzzling power, yeah, harder to sweep that under the rug. A 3080 can perform well with a 400w ceiling, it's just if you watercool that extra 50w can make quite a difference when you're power limited.
2022/05/30 08:48:35
Apaul82
The fact this was brought up long ago and we are being left in the dark, I am leaning toward trying other brands.  
2022/06/02 05:44:55
Audioboxer
stephen, bumping your topic to let you know flashing an MSI 430w BIOS on my card seems to have fixed the 400w max issue https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3555755
 
The power reporting in software is borked, likely due to using MSI's additions to the BIOS, but I've now tested along with my power supply output some games I was previously power limited in. As you can see in the topic, Metro Exodus EE with RTing on for the clearest example.
 
Give it a go and please report your findings. If you don't have a way to measure your power supply draw at the source (the power supply itself), test games where your core clock was dropping in the past due to being power limited. Or use Kombustor, as it tends to max out power draw and you can quickly see core clock tumble.
 
I'm going to try and get this to the attention of EVGA and having someone else with this card confirm it's working would be good evidence.
2022/06/02 05:49:25
firerain
ty_ger07
kraade
Not for nothing , there's 14 pages of conspiracy about the great under preforming 3080 450 watt XOC bios and 0 pages of people complaining my Kingpin wont hit 1000 watts on the 1000 watt bios, go figure 

Because one has a perfcap reason of pwr, and one doesn't. People only care when the perfcap reason is pwr and it shouldn't be. Go figure.
It has nothing to do with trying to force the card to be inefficient. It has everything to do with the card being neutered for no apparent reason.

O, we know the reason. Slimy scumbags.
2022/08/11 13:49:27
Redmane
I've got a RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Gaming 10GB LHR Version and upgraded it with the Hybrid Kit two days ago. BIOS switch on the pcb is set to OC.

Flashed the original EVGA 450 W XOC BIOS Version 94.02.71.40.DB from their forum page.

In Precision X1 it is correctly shown as a RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid Gaming now.

After some OC'ing in PX1 (+998 Memory / +160 Core / +100 mV / PL 118%) i started a timespy benchmark:

PCI-E Slot: 53.0 W
8-Pin 1: 134.3 W
8-Pin 2: 151.7 W
8-Pin 3: 85.1 W
Total: 424.1 W

Seems to be working so far.
2022/10/19 13:14:18
Adeat
Redmane
I've got a RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Gaming 10GB LHR Version and upgraded it with the Hybrid Kit two days ago. BIOS switch on the pcb is set to OC.

Flashed the original EVGA 450 W XOC BIOS Version 94.02.71.40.DB from their forum page.

In Precision X1 it is correctly shown as a RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid Gaming now.

After some OC'ing in PX1 (+998 Memory / +160 Core / +100 mV / PL 118%) i started a timespy benchmark:

PCI-E Slot: 53.0 W
8-Pin 1: 134.3 W
8-Pin 2: 151.7 W
8-Pin 3: 85.1 W
Total: 424.1 W

Seems to be working so far.



Could you do me a favor and link me where you found that BIOS version. I have tried so many and none of them are working. I'd truly appreciate it!!
2022/10/19 14:47:20
kraade
Adeat
Redmane
I've got a RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Gaming 10GB LHR Version and upgraded it with the Hybrid Kit two days ago. BIOS switch on the pcb is set to OC.

Flashed the original EVGA 450 W XOC BIOS Version 94.02.71.40.DB from their forum page.

In Precision X1 it is correctly shown as a RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid Gaming now.

After some OC'ing in PX1 (+998 Memory / +160 Core / +100 mV / PL 118%) i started a timespy benchmark:

PCI-E Slot: 53.0 W
8-Pin 1: 134.3 W
8-Pin 2: 151.7 W
8-Pin 3: 85.1 W
Total: 424.1 W

Seems to be working so far.



Could you do me a favor and link me where you found that BIOS version. I have tried so many and none of them are working. I'd truly appreciate it!!


https://forums.evga.com/EVGA-GeForce-30-Series-HYBRIDXOCDefault-BIOS-Thread-m3407542.aspx
 
2022/11/05 17:15:54
yorii
I am not getting the same results at all, tried both the 94.02.71.40.DB version for EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 HYBRID LHR
and also the 94.02.71.40.A9 version for EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra LHR
 
Both show 118% in Precision X1 but are still capped at around 405W max in any actual tests.
(With +500 memory, +200 gpu, +100 vcore.)
 
What gives?
2022/11/05 19:44:27
ty_ger07
yorii
What gives?

Ask EVGA for a warranty replacement
2022/11/06 08:47:06
kraade
ty_ger07
yorii
What gives?

Ask EVGA for a warranty replacement


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