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https://youtu.be/vTgI6hN1js8 clean boot / minimal services/apps/utilities running except the game driver: 419.17 2 separate power connectors from the PSU (not daisy chained) nvidia settings: vsync ON max performance everything else defaults
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/06 20:33:09
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also: my 980ti was just swapped out, same OS and drivers, and does not stutter like this
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/06 20:36:23
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Do you have evga precision running in the background? If yes, turn if off and see if the issue goes away.
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/06 20:50:08
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thanks for your response. it wasn't running. I just disabled rgb in precision completely and rebooted and tried again - made sure nothing else was running. Same stuttering. I have also tried the display port and get stutters. Going to bed for now but hope to look into it more tomorrow.
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/06 21:16:34
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No problem. Ok. Is the issue game specific?
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/06 22:56:07
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kcsteele https://youtu.be/vTgI6hN1js8 clean boot / minimal services/apps/utilities running except the game
driver: 419.17 2 separate power connectors from the PSU (not daisy chained) nvidia settings: vsync ON max performance everything else defaults
Turn vsync off and see what you get. Don't have vysnc and g-sync both enabled at same time. If monitor at 144 then limit fps to something less than 144 and enable future frame rate rendering. Same if using 120MHz.
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/07 05:02:44
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Sajin No problem. Ok. Is the issue game specific?
I tried BFV and that also seemed to stutter. dc8flyer Turn vsync off and see what you get. Don't have vysnc and g-sync both enabled at same time. If monitor at 144 then limit fps to something less than 144 and enable future frame rate rendering. Same if using 120MHz.
Thanks, it was happening before I enabled vsync - so I tried vsync and got what you see in the video. Monitor is only 1920x1200 @ 60Hz. Never touched any gsync settings so I believe that's not enabled unless it is by default. I used DDU before removing the previous 980ti, but this windows install is way back from 2016 and has gone through a few "feature updates". I am considering trying a fresh install of windows, because I really hope it isn't hardware related and I don't want to go down the RMA path unless I've exhausted all the software options. Since you guys seem to have some experience on this forum, have there been others who have had this stuttering with the 20x series and ended up having to RMA their card after determining it was hardware related? Thanks for your help.
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/07 06:54:58
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Stuttering may be a monitoring program causing it. So if ya got something running in the back ground close it.
I'd even try closing px1 as well and see.
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/07 07:10:35
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☄ Helpfulby Cool GTX 2019/03/07 08:13:04
AHowes Stuttering may be a monitoring program causing it. So if ya got something running in the back ground close it.
I'd even try closing px1 as well and see.
Another thought. I moved MSI Afterburner and my STEAM, Origin and Uplay folders to the exception list in my Antivirus. Seems that when playing, you might also be getting scanned by your AV. If you are running Precision or Afterburner...try that as well
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/07 07:45:41
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kcsteele Since you guys seem to have some experience on this forum, have there been others who have had this stuttering with the 20x series and ended up having to RMA their card after determining it was hardware related? Thanks for your help.
Not that I have seen.
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/07 08:36:39
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Thanks guys, nothing has been running in the background (not precision or HWmonitor which I did have at first but I turned it off and still got the stutters). Not running afterburner. The only AV is windows defender. Again, this is the same exact OS/setup as when I had the 980ti, which had no stuttering. So I'm assuming that if it were other software interfering, I would have seen the stutters on the 980ti as well, given that it's half as powerful as the 2080ti. If you look at the video I posted in the first post, you'll notice that every "stutter" happens almost on a 3-4 second cycle. Almost as if it's stuttering after rendering X amount of frames. That's why i thought it had to do with being a higher FPS than the 60Hz refresh rate of the monitor. But I still get the stuttering with VSYNC enabled in the nvidia control panel. I have ordered a brand new SSD and it should be here tomorrow. Will put a fresh win10 build 1809 on there and see how it goes.
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/07 08:41:17
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Does the issue occur over multiple graphics drivers? Is your cpu & gpu nice and cooling when the issue is occurring?
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/07 08:50:49
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Haven't tried other drives but a new nvidia driver was released yesterday so I guess I can try that. I'm not holding my breath on that one though. CPU is fine, GPU fans weren't even on when I took that video, it was sitting around 52C.
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/07 08:59:31
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☄ Helpfulby kcsteele 2019/03/07 09:13:26
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/07 09:13:24
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nice catch! I'll try to uninstall KB4482887 when I get home.
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/08 06:13:18
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Ok so I got back yesterday only to find that I didn't have 4482887 installed. However this also brought to light that I was only on 1803 and not 1809 build of windows 10. I updated to 1809 and performed another safe boot / DDU / reinstall drivers cycle (used the newest drivers this time, 419.35) The stuttering is less than it was before but it's still kind of there. Here's a video of it after updating to 1809 and reinstalling the drivers: https://youtu.be/HDtjNJkkjfI I even went through the hassle of setting up afterburner and rivatuner to show a graph of the fps and frametime. Not sure if I set it up right cause I thought I was going to see more than one graph. Maybe they're layered on top of each other. Regardless you can see that the stuttering is still happening at roughly the same time period (about 2 - 3 seconds) but the "hitch" is much less noticeable after updating to 1809. What's bizarre is that when each stutter occurs you see no change in the graph. And for posterity here's a clip that I took after uninstalling 4482887 (which got installed after I updated to 1809) - looks to have made no difference, still get the slight stutters: https://youtu.be/tw2PrPqbes4 At least it isn't as bad as it was before, but it's still happening and driving me nuts. Hopefully a fresh install when I get that new SSD today will take care of it. Because this current OS I'm running was originally Windows 10 1703 or one of the earliest versions, went through multiple "feature updates" and I'm hoping that's what's causing it.
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/08 06:40:24
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What updates have you done? Just GPU and Windows? I had a **** ton of problems when i upgraded to the RTX cards. Power being the biggest one. Try a third party driver updater, you can get a decent one of steam I highly recommend it. OEM's and Windows both suck at updating drivers. I recommend driver booster 6. On a fresh install of windows 10 - with all the service packs etc, I still had over 120 drivers out of date. When you go into your task manager, what does your performance screen look like in regards to CPU/GPU and memory? Check this under load. I recommend using default windows services etc, you might be disabling a scheduler or something that's causing an issue. Install a monitoring software HWMonitor pro works wonders for this - and it's free to use - You can start a log file and it'll save everything into a folder for you to view after so many cycles.. I recommend starting it and playing a game for a few minutes to reproduce the problem. Pay close attention to your "min/max" package temperatures -> check your gpu and memory utilization, and thermal readings to ensure you're not thermal throttling. Check your event viewer [start] type "event viewer" -> open the application. Click Windows Logs -> System, are you getting errors in there while playing or in general? If so how often, and what type of error? Lastly... What Processor, how much ram, peripherals, hard drives, and PSU are you running? I see that your benchmark is showing 60 fps, are you using v-sync / g-sync? I've had terrible stutter with g-sync... if you're using v-sync i also recommend that you set it to "allow 3d application to decide".. or disable it entirely - you'll get more visual tearing but that you can be worked out after... Disable it for trouble shooting.
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/08 12:30:01
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Thanks, it was happening before I enabled vsync - so I tried vsync and got what you see in the video. Monitor is only 1920x1200 @ 60Hz. Never touched any gsync settings so I believe that's not enabled unless it is by default.
I may have missed the type of monitor you have. Is 1920x1200 the native resolution and as high as it goes? The 2080ti runs better at higher resolutions so if your monitor has 120MHz and something more along the 1080 or 2k resolution try that. If your monitor is only capable of 1200 at 60Hz then you might what to try a different monitor and see if the stuttering still occurs. If 1200 is the max try dumbing the card down as much as possible with the lowest settings and then try with max settings and see if there is any difference.
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/08 12:54:25
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Do you have xbox game dvr disabled? If no, you could try disabling that to see if it makes a difference or not. I would also disable windows defender along with windows smart screen to see if that does anything as well.
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/12 09:00:32
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So over the weekend I installed a brand new copy of windows 1809 to a brand new SSD - got the same slight stuttering. But heres the thing - I put back in my 980ti to this new OS and I also got this slight stuttering. So, the initial video I posted had much worse stuttering and that was solved by upgrading from 1803 to build 1809 of windows 10. The subsequent (lighter) "stuttering" I was getting apparently is just from the game itself and not the card. Also, if I run rivatuner with the framerates and frametime graphs, when these slight "Stutters" occur I see no change in the graph. So I'm pretty sure it was just the game / engine (game was using unity - go figure) I now have a new problem however. When I try and run the OC scanner overclocking utility, it gets through all 4 passes and says an average overclock of +199 Mhz, but then it says it's only testing at +0 Mhz. Is this because this card is a "black edition" which has limits on overclocking? I was able to manually overclock the Memory to 1750Mhz as a test.
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/12 11:36:32
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Glad to hear you figured out your problem.
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/12 16:56:24
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Thanks for your help Sajin. Anyone here familiar with OC scanner? Or should I make a new thread for this. This is what I get when I tried to run it: edit:
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/12 18:37:42
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No problem. Looks like it's just showing that you currently have the core clock set at +0.
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Re: evga 2080ti black edition stuttering please help
2019/03/13 05:29:36
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It's weird though cause according to the msi guide at https://www.msi.com/blog/get-a-free-performance-boost-with-afterburner-oc-scanner "Scanning is the actual process described above where the algorithm will determine the highest stable frequency on 4 different voltage levels. This process should take around 15 minutes before presenting you with its conclusions. The value of the Core Clock in Afterburner should now show “Curve” instead of a number." I didn't see this "curve"; here is what their output looked like: Notice the second "Core clock" value for them shows "+165Mhz" whereas mine showed "+0Mhz". Also, this article continues with "You can now apply the OC Scanner values by clicking the Apply button in Afterburner. Usually I would recommend to save the values in a profile as well, in case you want to switch between default values and your OC profile. " I wasn't able to do that. Is this related to the overclocking restrictions on the 2080ti black edition? I read there was some difference in overclocking for the black edition. I'm noob when it comes to overclocking (last time I did it was with a pentium 3) However as I stated earlier I am still able to overclock this memory clock to 7200Mhz as a test, so I know the black edition is capable of some overclocking. Edit: I looked it up, black edition can't use a custom BIOS from a "non-A" chip. OC scanner question still stands. Hoping someone else here with a black edition that has run oc scanner successfully can chime in.
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