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Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7

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2010/04/30 14:21:00 (permalink)
 Hi guys, my X5650 has arrived today and it worked well in my R2E \o/. But when i tried to apply a 200bclk (i7s, even a 920, goes easily to 200bclk) i doesn't post. I don't want to push the voltages too much, but i went 1.35vcore (200bclk 12multi) 1.88pll 1.35uncore.
 
Is it really not a good OCer or am i doing something very wrong? Cause i went easily 4.0 with my i7 920, and using some similar configs i can't put this xeon even @2.4ghz (200 x 12)
 
now i'm limited to 3.65 (166 x 22) but i with i could reach 4.0 with this cpu too =/
 
just in case of curiosity, i got a true rev c. and a 150cfm delta
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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2010/04/30 14:48:50 (permalink)
    Are you running inside a Classified SR-2? Because I didn't know it was even out yet
    And if not then why are you in here?
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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2010/04/30 14:56:39 (permalink)
    I'd say this is the most appropriate place for discussion of overclockability of Xeon processors.  It's of great interest to potential SR-2 customers and of much less interest to single-socket board customers who have much cheaper processors available to overclock.

    I have my X5670 folding 24/7 at 185bclk/21x.  I was able to pass prime and other tests at 190x22 but not folding.   I'll have to check the voltages and get back to you.  I suspect there are good and bad chips in every batch so it's hard to generalize.


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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2010/04/30 16:22:55 (permalink)
    Rather than going straight to bclk 200, I would suggest working up to that point. In addition, I would suggest lowering all multipliers first to see if you can get bclk stable and then work on raising the multipliers back up. That way you do not end up with multiple stability issues at once. Also, set the QPI frequency to the lowest possible value, which in general is 4.8 GT/s.

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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2010/04/30 16:32:27 (permalink)
    LR is probably too modest to tout his tuning thread, but I will because it worked great for my Xeon.  See the link "max bclock strategy guide" in his signature - it's a very detailed yet straightforward way to do exactly what he described in general terms in his last post.


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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2010/04/30 16:59:20 (permalink)
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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2010/04/30 19:02:17 (permalink)
    thank you for the link, friends. I'll do some tests when i return to my office tomorrow

    @ kscott190
     
    not SR-2, but R2E, i'm running the X5650 in a ASUS Rampage 2 Extreme
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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2010/04/30 19:44:26 (permalink)
     
    I have two Xeon 3.06 Q3QR's. I have overclocked both of them in my UD7 board. No crash since the last settings. Running at 25 gig. With the chess software, you can watch all six cores sit on 100% in task manager. Running cool. I hate to disassemble my station for the SR2. That would double my gigs so it seems I will do it. I have all parts except SR2 now. 2 Noctua 14's for cooling. BFG 1200 watt power supply.
    I use mine for chess analysis----no graphics just calulations. good luck.
     
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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2010/05/01 01:45:02 (permalink)
    x5650 on R2E?? is the R3E ready for x5650 as well??

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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2010/05/01 07:29:47 (permalink)
    I think the R3E should run the x5650 fine too, i read someone posting that it did, with screenshots an such, i'll see if i can find the link again...

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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2010/05/04 07:22:01 (permalink)
    Kinda curious if a BIOS update would be necessary.  I've heard a lot of the MoBo's (single socket) required a BIOS update to run the 980X and I would suspect the X5650 would be no different.

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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2010/05/04 08:32:14 (permalink)
    capreppy

    Kinda curious if a BIOS update would be necessary.  I've heard a lot of the MoBo's (single socket) required a BIOS update to run the 980X and I would suspect the X5650 would be no different.

    My R2E came with the 1708 (or 1704? ´:P) as stock bios and i was able to boot my X5650 without problems, it just gave me the msg "update your bios to unlock all cpu blablabla performance" but everything worked very well. Anyway, i updated to 1802 to ensure that i'll not see that msg anymore.
     
    But i'm still disapointed with my cpu, i dunno if i got a bad batch, but it can barely hit 180bclk without 1.35+ (!!!) vcore and vtt. Even with a true + 150 cfm fan i'm getting 75ºC priming. What a shame :S
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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2010/05/06 06:41:58 (permalink)
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    Kinda curious if a BIOS update would be necessary.  I've heard a lot of the MoBo's (single socket) required a BIOS update to run the 980X and I would suspect the X5650 would be no different.

    My R2E came with the 1708 (or 1704? ´:P) as stock bios and i was able to boot my X5650 without problems, it just gave me the msg "update your bios to unlock all cpu blablabla performance" but everything worked very well. Anyway, i updated to 1802 to ensure that i'll not see that msg anymore.
     
    But i'm still disapointed with my cpu, i dunno if i got a bad batch, but it can barely hit 180bclk without 1.35+ (!!!) vcore and vtt. Even with a true + 150 cfm fan i'm getting 75ºC priming. What a shame :S


    75 isn't unreasonable.  Not being able to hit 180bclk without high voltage is kinda alarming.  I haven't seen a lot of peeps running the X5650 as yet so not easy to determine if you got a bad batch or if this is true in general.
     
    Historically, the XEONs do tend to OC better.  Obviously this is a new chip type and there is no history here.
     
    I am looking to get 2 x X5650 to go with an SR-2 and hopefully will be able to find some good OC numbers for them.

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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2010/05/06 07:27:58 (permalink)
    I'm holding off on the SR2 until some solid numbers come in for how much the typical user can OC these xeon chips.

    I know the board itself is top notch, but if the xeons can't OC as well as the i7, i'll just go with a 4-way classified.

    I can't build until this fall anyway since I am going to study abroad this summer.

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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2010/05/16 13:47:01 (permalink)
    the problem with the X5XXX series of cpu's is the fact that the uncore multiplier is stuck at 20x no matter what you set it too. Motherboard makers are slowly fixing the issue by way of BIOS update, in fact the Gigabyte X58A UD7 just got a new BIOS with new microcode that fixed the issue for a user on XS.

    The problem with the high uncore multiplier is that it requires a lot of VTT voltage to stabilize, something I don't want to do for a 24/7 overclock.



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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2010/05/16 17:45:45 (permalink)
    loud silence

    the problem with the X5XXX series of cpu's is the fact that the uncore multiplier is stuck at 20x no matter what you set it too. Motherboard makers are slowly fixing the issue by way of BIOS update, in fact the Gigabyte X58A UD7 just got a new BIOS with new microcode that fixed the issue for a user on XS.

    The problem with the high uncore multiplier is that it requires a lot of VTT voltage to stabilize, something I don't want to do for a 24/7 overclock.

    I was thinking that locked uncore was a cpu limitation, not a board. So omg, that was a good news. Does anyone know if the SR-2 will "unlock" the uncore mult?
     
    Regarding VTT, i was fearing the "old" 1.35V max safe voltage from I7s , but i found at intel datasheets that the Xeon 5600 series has a max 1.4V VTT.
     
    http://www.intel.com/Assets/pt_BR/PDF/datasheet/323369.pdf
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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2010/05/17 01:56:35 (permalink)
    VTT in asus is called QPI/DRAM

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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2014/03/03 23:14:59 (permalink)
    Hey guys I have the x5660 which I used to replace my i7930, it's at 4.5 got and and my 930 at 4ghz seems to perform better. Any input what I can do?

    I out my settings here
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    Re:Xeon X5650 does not oc as nice as 45nm i7 2014/03/05 10:18:34 (permalink)
    Has it occurred to you that your benchmark may be bottlenecking on something other than CPU speed? Also if you aren't running on an SR-2, you are posting to the wrong forum.

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