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2020/11/29 13:37:36 (permalink)
Never owned an EVGA card before. Got the 3090 ftw3 ultra but lots of reviewers are bashing EVGA for the OC power cap at 450. Amongst other things. Can someone shed some light on that? I know Im in an EVGA forum but I hope you guys can be subjective and help me out. I ordered mine from canadacomputers, they have lots of it which I find odd that it wasnt sold out. Is the card good or does it have build issues?

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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/29 13:51:40 (permalink)
    Reviewers seem to be really "total power" conscious this generation. Whether it be the 10900k, Zen3 cpus, or 3080/3090*6800/6800XT gpus. Personally I wouldn't mind paying the slight increase on the electricity bill for an increase in performance. Plus the power you save using a zen3 cpu (assuming a person is) allows more headroom on gpu power cap for higher performing 1440p/4k. I suppose for some knowing total system power on a rig nears 700-800W under load is important if they know other lower power options are available. Can't see this being as relevant in the HEDT space though. Most know you sacrifice power efficiency for performance when you get into overclocking.
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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/29 14:36:04 (permalink)
    So the card is good enough for basic OC? I'm going to OC it and just making sure there are no issues.
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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/29 15:26:00 (permalink)
    The hate is more around things not working and the stupid low power limit on entry level 3090s.
    Like the 500W bios but people on EVGA cards are only getting 450W from it while other brands use the EVGA bios and get 500W from it.
    Then you have the 3090 XC3 which is 366W limited but its got a VRM that could easily handle 700W and 2X 8 pins should be able to atleast do 375W no worries, (Personally mines pulling 520W)
    Then you have a high number of cards failing for no reason. Some people got a 2nd replacement card just to have that die.
    And to top it all off. People are already angry coming into getting the cards because the low stock and long waits.


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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/29 15:27:46 (permalink)
    bmgjet
     People are already angry coming into getting the cards because the low stock and long waits.





    Yes, this has been the most embarrassing launch I've ever seen in product history. NVidia should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. They probably aren't, but they should be.



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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/29 16:42:16 (permalink)
    bmgjet
    The hate is more around things not working and the stupid low power limit on entry level 3090s.
    Like the 500W bios but people on EVGA cards are only getting 450W from it while other brands use the EVGA bios and get 500W from it.
    Then you have the 3090 XC3 which is 366W limited but its got a VRM that could easily handle 700W and 2X 8 pins should be able to atleast do 375W no worries, (Personally mines pulling 520W)
    Then you have a high number of cards failing for no reason. Some people got a 2nd replacement card just to have that die.
    And to top it all off. People are already angry coming into getting the cards because the low stock and long waits.


    so Should I resell the card or cancel order and get another? Maybe strix?
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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/29 16:56:00 (permalink)
    Only you can make that choice.
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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/29 17:11:48 (permalink)
    H4x3r101
    So the card is good enough for basic OC? I'm going to OC it and just making sure there are no issues.




    Personally I'm more into undervolting/underclocking this generation. I'm running my 3090 at around 1815mhz with 850mV and it stays incredibly cool and quiet and the 5-10FPS aren't worth the extra noise to me. 
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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/29 17:34:50 (permalink)
     
    Leaving everything (including fans) at stock and just turning on boost lock, my 3090 FTW3 runs at 1980MHz (at least it did when I just tested it now) - ambient is about 77°F btw.
     
    I then started putting sustained heavy load on it (used AIDA64 System Stability GPU Stress Test) without turning the fans up or anything else, just whatever the default fan curve is, and saw how it throttled:
     
    <40°C = 1980MHz

    40°-44°C = 1965MHz

    45°-64°C = 1950MHz

    65°-70°C  = 1935MHz

    70°-74°C = 1920MHz

    75°-?°C = 1890MHz

    Considering it's marketed to boost to 1800MHz at spec, it's clearly doing significantly higher without any overclocking on my part.
     
    I'm waiting until some blocks are available so I can get this thing under water, I think it's really going to shine then. The Titan X Pascal was the same way but worse - throttled significantly under sustained heavy load only because the stock blower cooler really was not sufficient for the power in that card, but I put an AiO cooler on there (just a single 120mm radiator) and omg what a huge difference! I'm hoping this will be similar with the 3090.
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/29 17:40:45 (permalink)
    all you have to do is look at the top scores on 3dmark to know that EVGA cards have the overhead needed to be monsters.  but a lotof the top scores all have custom BIOS on them.

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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/29 18:35:32 (permalink)
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    Leaving everything (including fans) at stock and just turning on boost lock, my 3090 FTW3 runs at 1980MHz (at least it did when I just tested it now) - ambient is about 77°F btw.
     
    I then started putting sustained heavy load on it (used AIDA64 System Stability GPU Stress Test) without turning the fans up or anything else, just whatever the default fan curve is, and saw how it throttled:
     
    <40°C = 1980MHz

    40°-44°C = 1965MHz

    45°-64°C = 1950MHz

    65°-70°C  = 1935MHz

    70°-74°C = 1920MHz

    75°-?°C = 1890MHz

    Considering it's marketed to boost to 1800MHz at spec, it's clearly doing significantly higher without any overclocking on my part.
     
    I'm waiting until some blocks are available so I can get this thing under water, I think it's really going to shine then. The Titan X Pascal was the same way but worse - throttled significantly under sustained heavy load only because the stock blower cooler really was not sufficient for the power in that card, but I put an AiO cooler on there (just a single 120mm radiator) and omg what a huge difference! I'm hoping this will be similar with the 3090.
     
     
     
     


    Awesome! My current card is a 1070Ti water cooled. Im waiting as well for EKWB to release the blocks for the FTW3 and hopefully the card will shine then.
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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/29 20:22:40 (permalink)
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     People are already angry coming into getting the cards because the low stock and long waits.





     NVidia should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. They probably aren't, but they should be.






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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/29 22:07:29 (permalink)
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    Yes, this has been the most embarrassing launch I've ever seen in product history. NVidia should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. They probably aren't, but they should be.

    So AMD's 6000 series, Sony's Playstation 5 & Microsoft's XBOX series X have been buttery smooth?
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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/29 22:22:55 (permalink)
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    all you have to do is look at the top scores on 3dmark to know that EVGA cards have the overhead needed to be monsters.  but a lotof the top scores all have custom BIOS on them.


    How do you know they are evga cards, flashing the evga bios to a msi, or gigabyte card will show them as a evga card even though they are not. It's well documented that the 500w xoc bios isn't working on the evga cards but helping tremendously on other vendors cards.




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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/29 22:38:19 (permalink)
     
    Nereus
     
    Leaving everything (including fans) at stock and just turning on boost lock, my 3090 FTW3 runs at 1980MHz (at least it did when I just tested it now) - ambient is about 77°F btw.
     
    I then started putting sustained heavy load on it (used AIDA64 System Stability GPU Stress Test) without turning the fans up or anything else, just whatever the default fan curve is, and saw how it throttled:
     
    <40°C = 1980MHz

    40°-44°C = 1965MHz

    45°-64°C = 1950MHz

    65°-70°C  = 1935MHz

    70°-74°C = 1920MHz

    75°-?°C = 1890MHz

    Considering it's marketed to boost to 1800MHz at spec, it's clearly doing significantly higher without any overclocking on my part.
     
    I'm waiting until some blocks are available so I can get this thing under water, I think it's really going to shine then. The Titan X Pascal was the same way but worse - throttled significantly under sustained heavy load only because the stock blower cooler really was not sufficient for the power in that card, but I put an AiO cooler on there (just a single 120mm radiator) and omg what a huge difference! I'm hoping this will be similar with the 3090.
     
     
     
     




    I would check to see if your card can pull 500w before putting a block on it or else you might as well continue to run it on air. 
     
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    all you have to do is look at the top scores on 3dmark to know that EVGA cards have the overhead needed to be monsters.  but a lotof the top scores all have custom BIOS on them.


    How do you know they are evga cards, flashing the evga bios to a msi, or gigabyte card will show them as a evga card even though they are not. It's well documented that the 500w xoc bios isn't working on the evga cards but helping tremendously on other vendors cards.

     
    The one's at the top are Kingpin's anyway not even relevant. 
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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/30 04:16:31 (permalink)
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    I would check to see if your card can pull 500w before putting a block on it or else you might as well continue to run it on air. 

    I'll try it again tonight with the XOC Bios and try Furmark and a few other stress tests to see what wattage it's pulling.
     


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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/30 04:23:05 (permalink)
    I'm more interested in the eVGA support than a few extra megahertz or frames.....
     
    It's a beast as it is imo...and coupled with knowing I'll be taken care of if something does go wrong makes me much happier than "omg, I can draw 500W!" (honestly I don't know...I haven't really tried to OC this card, don't need to)
     
    I've dealt with MSi, Gigabyte and Asus RMA processes before, and imo, they all SUCK compared to eVGA.
     
     

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    Re: Why the hate. 2020/11/30 05:09:10 (permalink)
    Zgapzy
    I would check to see if your card can pull 500w before putting a block on it or else you might as well continue to run it on air. 
    Nereus
    I'll try it again tonight with the XOC Bios and try Furmark and a few other stress tests to see what wattage it's pulling.


    Just tried it again using stock clocks but the higher power limits and hit it with Furmark for 5 minutes. A lot of the time it stayed around 450-460W or less according to GPU-Z, presumably due to thermal throttling, but it was also going up to 470-480W often, and I saw once it peaked to 508W, so apparently it can do it. That was on the 3090 FTW3 XOC bios.
     
     
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