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2020/09/19 12:40:06 (permalink)
Previous generation x90s and Titan made sense for price, because it was literally SLI on one card. Why is the 3090 $1200, $1500, $1800 etc dollars if it's still just a single GPU?

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Re: Why is the 3090 double the price if it isn't two GPUs? 2020/09/19 12:47:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby USALion 2020/09/19 14:28:11
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Re: Why is the 3090 double the price if it isn't two GPUs? 2020/09/19 13:08:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby USALion 2020/09/19 14:28:17
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Because they can



This pretty much, plus because they know people will still buy them. Look at the Buy it Now's on Ebay 3080 listings at 1500... People are buying, even tho the 3090 is less than a week away.

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Re: Why is the 3090 double the price if it isn't two GPUs? 2020/09/19 13:11:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby USALion 2020/09/19 14:28:24
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Previous generation x90s and Titan made sense for price, because it was literally SLI on one card. Why is the 3090 $1200, $1500, $1800 etc dollars if it's still just a single GPU?


Only the Titan Z had 2 GPUs on the card, all the others titans had just 1, so it's been done before, and for an even higher price than $1500 It's whatever people are willing to pay, which is based on... well something hard to measure.
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Re: Why is the 3090 double the price if it isn't two GPUs? 2020/09/19 13:17:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby USALion 2020/09/19 14:28:30
The chip has less defects than the 3080 and therefore has a higher value
Adding double the amount of RAM
Designing and building the PCB around the new RAM
 
The pricing isn't absurd considering all this.
That doesn't mean it is or is not worth it.  It is just what it is.
If you want to wait for the 3080 Ti and pay hundreds less that isn't a bad choice if you want something faster than the 3080 but it could be months away.

The 20x0 series Ti chip being released as early as it was is an outlier vs previous generations so it could be 6+ months before we hear of a 3080 Ti.
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Re: Why is the 3090 double the price if it isn't two GPUs? 2020/09/19 13:20:50 (permalink)
690 was a dual gpu. If I had to guess i would say that maybe the memory is really expensive and the 3080 is relatively reasonably priced so they wanted to create a way to differentiate between the mainstream cards and the power user cards.
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Re: Why is the 3090 double the price if it isn't two GPUs? 2020/09/19 13:28:26 (permalink)
It's double the price because Nvidia says it is. They will get double the price and more.
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Re: Why is the 3090 double the price if it isn't two GPUs? 2020/09/19 13:39:20 (permalink)

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Re: Why is the 3090 double the price if it isn't two GPUs? 2020/09/19 13:45:47 (permalink)
If NVIDIA can get Unreal 5 to have native multi-adapter support, pretty sure SLI will be back on the menu.
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Re: Why is the 3090 double the price if it isn't two GPUs? 2020/09/19 14:10:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby USALion 2020/09/19 14:28:00
I am not someone who understands exactly what each component does on a card but there are some improvements.  I am comparing an EVGA 3080 to an ASUS 3090 since I don't have the specs for the EVGA equivalent..
 
But it has more memory, 24 GB vs 10 GB, and a wider Memory interface 384 bit vs 320 bit
 
2 HDMI vs 1 HDMI,
 
10496 CUDA cores vs 8704,
 
and SLI ready..
 
Again, this is not a comparison of EVGA and EVGA but I am guessing the ASUS 3090 card has pretty close to the same specs..
 
 
 
 

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Re: Why is the 3090 double the price if it isn't two GPUs? 2020/09/19 14:13:05 (permalink)
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I am not someone who understands exactly what each component does on a card but there are some improvements.  I am comparing an EVGA 3080 to an ASUS 3090 since I don't have the specs for the EVGA equivalent..
 
But it has more memory, 24 GB vs 10 GB, and a wider Memory interface 384 bit vs 320 bit
 
2 HDMI vs 1 HDMI,
 
10496 CUDA cores vs 8704,
 
and SLI ready..
 
Again, this is not a comparison of EVGA and EVGA but I am guessing the ASUS 3090 card has pretty close to the same specs..
 
 
 
 


EVGA is not doing 2x HDMI on the 3090 as far as I know.
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Re: Why is the 3090 double the price if it isn't two GPUs? 2020/09/19 14:19:27 (permalink)
Makes sense. I'm just thinking in terms of hp / $ ratio like a car, it's a rip off. I was interested in getting one, because even a slight frame rate change in VR loses immersion for me, but the only game I can get to stay a steady 120 FPS on my overclocked 2070 Super 8 GB is PokerStars VR. Everything else struggles to hit 60 FPS (possibly from re-projection), unless I make the resolution so ugly it's like I'm in a VR PlayStation 1 game. Which.... also ruins immersion.

I'm reading the 3090 is a 20% increase over the 3080 Ultra, for 100% price increase, I don't think I have to explain what a poor ratio that is mathematically. The air lid for the LS1 V8 engine (C5 Corvette, 1998-2002 Z28/SS Camaro and TransAm/WS6 Firebird, GTO) is a 15-20 hp boost at the wheels (rwhp) for $100. At ~350rwhp stock, that's a 5% hp increase for $100 on a $10,000-$30,000 car (depends on when you bought it, the condition, the mileage, and trim level.) That adds up to about 0.2 horsepower gain per dollar spent. That's a great buy, and by 2020 it's actually harder to find an LS1 F-Body (Camaro/Firebird) without an air lid for this reason. A FAST LSx 92mm air intake manifold and throttle body has an average net gain (not every engine is exactly the same, just like chip quality yield for these cards) of about 20-30 rwhp, but costs about $1,500. That's 0.02 hp per dollar spent, and is incredibly inefficient economically (for the owner) as far as $/hp ratio. That's why the majority of LS1 owners DO NOT do this upgrade, unless they have money to burn, or are doing other upgrades that benefit greatly from this (like a huge camshaft.)

Anyways, I'm not trying to discourage anyone from buying the card, NVidia and EVGA make fantastic products. I'm just kind of thinking out loud, and whining about how poor I am. LMAO.
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Re: Why is the 3090 double the price if it isn't two GPUs? 2020/09/19 14:26:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby USALion 2020/09/19 14:27:51
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Previous generation x90s and Titan made sense for price, because it was literally SLI on one card. Why is the 3090 $1200, $1500, $1800 etc dollars if it's still just a single GPU?




Because of the extra ram and scarcity of the chips.  They can only produce a certain amount of fully good chips, the marginal ones have to be cut down (cores disabled) and used in a 3080.
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Re: Why is the 3090 double the price if it isn't two GPUs? 2020/09/19 14:34:52 (permalink)
Why is the 3090 double the price if it isn't two GPUs?


why don't you have two wallets nvidia probably. 
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