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Just was wondering, what is the difference between the voltage cure vs a normal OC? Is one better then the other? The custom curve lest you set an offset for each voltage, but what about the standard curve? Seems like both the standard curve and normal OC give the same result (besides the curve not doing memory overclocking). When I tested OCs last night, I could get to 175 core and 500 memory using both. What would be best to get the best overclock? My card is a non-FTW hybrid, if that matters. Thanks! (Edit) After doing some gaming, the card locks up at 175, so 150 seems to be my max OC.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/10 08:15:04
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I don't have a technical answer to provide. But have been using both simple core / memory offset without the curve and also used the curve. For my card the results are the same. No matter what I do my max stable OC is 2088mhz. Listing offsets is useless if you want to compare because everyone's cards are different. Listing actual clock speed is better. I'm very intrigued by the non-FTW hybrid because I'd actually consider that over the FTW hybrid given the FTW issues. What OC on the core clock are you getting?
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/10 08:30:45
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I can get my card up to around 2130 easily, but once there GPU boost keeps me from clocking higher. It just brings my clocks back down to 2130 or so. Thanks.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/10 08:33:43
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I do also get some random downclocking, even though temps are under 40c, and my power is not maxed.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/10 08:39:33
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Every card is different. I can't get the same offset OC as I can with using the Voltage/Frequency curve which is true for both PrecisionX and Afterburner (now using afterburner 4.3 beta 14 as PrecisionX is still meh) - this may change with different drivers as I've only used 372.06. The offset mode will crash at or around 2050MHz in 3Dmark benchmarks, and yet with the curve I can get 2202 and bench and game at that clockspeed all day long (3Dmark benchmarks do cause some occasional, slight downclocking with no percap code in GPU-Z, games stay at 2202MHz) - however for folding a few work units were unstable, so when folding I keep it at 2164MHz which is rock stable. Edit: I only adjust the 1.062V MHz curve setting, leaving all of the others alone. And it does score better in benchmarks using the curve method @2202 than the offset method @~2050.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/10 08:39:42
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Many (me too) can achieve higher stable clocks by adjusting the steps in the voltage curve - but the performance decreases, so that higher clocks with voltage curves result in less or equal performance in comparison to lower clocks without. I didn't find "the one and only" explanation for it, but that is what quite some people (including me) experience. So I stay at the "classic" route without the curve.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/10 08:54:59
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Well, 130 on core for me seems to be about the same as 150, so I will probably leave it there for added stability. Any sugustions for memory? Thanks.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/10 09:08:44
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Phoenix864 I do also get some random downclocking, even though temps are under 40c, and my power is not maxed.
That's GPU Boost 3.0 for you. My experience with the 1080 FTW Hybrid and my current Classified has been interesting. My Hybrid would downclock down to 2012mhz when gaming, when it wasn't black screening, from a max OC of 2050mhz. Likely hit voltage or power limit. My Classified max stable is 2088mhz and stays at 2088mhz when gaming and 3dmark. Drops to 2076mhz during Heaven runs. I don't know if it has something to do with the power phases or higher power draw of the Classified, but it was weird to me that the Hybrid would downclock more than the Classified. Regardless, that's impressive for the reference Hybrid card. You got a winner.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/10 09:15:23
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Without the curve one can't select the voltage you want. I'll need to quickly test to see but I'm sure either the voltage would be much lower or maxed out if I tried setting the normal +175 offset. With the curve I can select +175 @ 1.050v and the card is fine.. games for hours and all.
Would be nice if evga would just allow us to choose the voltage the normal way and not have to deal with the curve... cause if you change the memory clock you must go back and select and ok the curve setting again or it won't take.
Plus Im using sli and even though I have them linked I still need to select the same settings for ea card or it won't be the same for both.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/10 09:15:37
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Thanks, it definitly is a great overclocker. My future GPUs will always be under water, as it helps so much for overclocking.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/10 09:21:54
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Phoenix864 I do also get some random downclocking, even though temps are under 40c, and my power is not maxed.
That's GPU Boost 3.0 for you. My experience with the 1080 FTW Hybrid and my current Classified has been interesting. My Hybrid would downclock down to 2012mhz when gaming, when it wasn't black screening, from a max OC of 2050mhz. Likely hit voltage or power limit. My Classified max stable is 2088mhz and stays at 2088mhz when gaming and 3dmark. Drops to 2076mhz during Heaven runs. I don't know if it has something to do with the power phases or higher power draw of the Classified, but it was weird to me that the Hybrid would downclock more than the Classified. Regardless, that's impressive for the reference Hybrid card. You got a winner.
Out of the 10 1080s ive had played with if your card don't downclock then you got a good one! Hybrids didn't for me nor the 2 out of 4 good classified cards. Yup out of 4 only 2 of the classifieds were good. The other 2 would always throw up a voltage limit 1 no matter what. Even -200 down clocked and debug mode selected. Seemed like bad chips.. my take away from any down clocking was the keeping the chip within its limits even though the voltage and power and heat were all fine.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/10 09:33:29
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I get the same voltage limit 1 thing. Not positive it affects my clocks, though.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/10 10:33:03
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I do my overclocks manually do get consistent clockspeeds at low voltages. I had to redo my OC curve due to the new drivers released by Nvidia. But Basic OC is good also if you don't really want to take the time to perfect the OC. I don't know about anyone else; but for me the Precision Scanner has never worked for me. Has it for anybody?
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/10 12:08:32
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I'm not the kind of person to spend hours tinkering with a OC. I just like to how high I can get before instability. I tried the OC scanner a while ago, hoping to get a good, easy OC. But after letting it run for 30min or so there was no change. Let it run for 1h or so. Next time I checked in, my computer was frozen. Hard power down, restart. Come back to desktop. I disabled the auto start of XOC, but it still starts automatically. Within seconds of it loading my screen locks up again. Had to do a hard restart. Once at the desktop I had to open task manager and kill XOC before it could lock up my computer again. Never used the OC scanner since. My last overclocking session got me stable at 2150mhz, 150 on core and 500 on memory. Good enough for me. I will post some benchmark results later, if anyone else has a similar OC and wants to compare. In short, don't use the OC scanner.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/10 12:18:37
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Phoenix864 I'm not the kind of person to spend hours tinkering with a OC. I just like to how high I can get before instability. I tried the OC scanner a while ago, hoping to get a good, easy OC. But after letting it run for 30min or so there was no change. Let it run for 1h or so. Next time I checked in, my computer was frozen. Hard power down, restart. Come back to desktop. I disabled the auto start of XOC, but it still starts automatically. Within seconds of it loading my screen locks up again. Had to do a hard restart. Once at the desktop I had to open task manager and kill XOC before it could lock up my computer again. Never used the OC scanner since. My last overclocking session got me stable at 2150mhz, 150 on core and 500 on memory. Good enough for me. I will post some benchmark results later, if anyone else has a similar OC and wants to compare. In short, don't use the OC scanner.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/10 13:55:17
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Curve is best. You can lock your voltage in the curve editor.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/10 14:47:50
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Great, I will use the curve. Is one curve better then the other? Thanks for all the helpful responses.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/11 10:24:07
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Phoenix864 Great, I will use the curve. Is one curve better then the other? Thanks for all the helpful responses.
Using the Manual custom curve option is the best i believe on precision ocx because you can change each point. or you can you the basic curve editor that moves the whole curve up with whatever point you pick on the graph. i use MSI afterburner for custom Curves because its a little more easier IMO to modify and easily pinpoint what Clock you're aiming for on each voltage point. Hope all i said made sense.
So, if my max stable offset is 150 (175 seems to crash in-game), what would you recommend for a curve? My two best options for offsets are 140/150 core and 400/500 memory. What would be good to keep clock stability while mantling total in-game stability? Lowering the voltage too much while sustain high offsets will crash, so I have lower the offset very often. When I am done, it ends up looking like the stranded curve, so I end up not using it. Thanks for the advice.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/11 10:44:50
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Volts are right on. You could push an extra 50mhz on the top volts using the voltage curve? I have the voltage slider maxed and I sometimes see my volts coming up to 1.93v. The rest of my day is busy, so I many not be able to test until tomorrow. I will do a voltage curve with the top 3 voltage adding an extra 50mhz, and everything else looking like the stranded 150/500 curve. A benchmark run of Valley, Firestrike, Time Spy, and some gaming should be enough to test for stability. Just checking, artifacting/locking up cannot cause damage to the card, right? Just checking, as this is my first build and I am extra careful with my stuff. Thanks.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/11 10:52:38
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Phoenix864 Volts are right on. You could push an extra 50mhz on the top volts using the voltage curve? I have the voltage slider maxed and I sometimes see my volts coming up to 1.93v. The rest of my day is busy, so I many not be able to test until tomorrow. I will do a voltage curve with the top 3 voltage adding an extra 50mhz, and everything else looking like the stranded 150/500 curve. A benchmark run of Valley, Firestrike, Time Spy, and some gaming should be enough to test for stability. Just checking, artifacting/locking up cannot cause damage to the card, right? Just checking, as this is my first build and I am extra careful with my stuff. Thanks.
Since i'm running on Air at the moment. i tend not to use my volt slider due to Higher temps. my first FTW card i did though, but it always kept coming down from 1093 -> 1062 -> 1050. So just for now just trying to expand the life of the card a little longer till the VOLTA comes out for consumers!
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/11 11:00:30
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Well, the voltage curve does not even go over 1.62v, so it probably uses the same offset from there up. I did not notice any higher temps after maxing the voltage, but I am under water. I will try adding 50 on the top voltages and see if it is stable. Any artifacting/freezing up that happens won't damage the GPU, right? Just checking, as I am very (too) careful with my hardware. Thanks for all the helpful responses.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/11 11:13:28
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Phoenix864 Well, the voltage curve does not even go over 1.62v, so it probably uses the same offset from there up. I did not notice any higher temps after maxing the voltage, but I am under water. I will try adding 50 on the top voltages and see if it is stable. Any artifacting/freezing up that happens won't damage the GPU, right? Just checking, as I am very (too) careful with my hardware. Thanks for all the helpful responses.
You definitely have an advantage in having the hybrid. If you start getting artifacts or freezing issues, just lower the core points a little till it becomes stable. I believe in EVGA's Hardware as it will protect your GPU. Basically a Fail safe system for overclocking enthusiasts. And no problem. I've overclocked for a while now since the old BFG company was at its peak with Aftermarket GPU, unfortunately now Bankrupt :/ and from experience with all the EVGA products I've had, No problems with overclocking to the max. I still have a EVGA 9800GTX+ that i overclocked crazy with stock air cooling, and still works great as a server card now. lol and no problem, glad to put in my 2twocents.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/11 11:50:12
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Great, thanks for all your help. I will do some overclocking using the custom curve and report back. Thanks again.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/11 12:31:41
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I believe for the manual curve thst I use you just select one square "yellow" that you want to run at whatever voltage you select it on.
I've tried it before where I've selected a few different spots at once and hit enter.. didn't work out to well as it didn't understand what I wanted to run. Logical thinking was to select various spots and hit enter and then go back to the normal way and enter in the offset I wanted thinking it would use the voltage I selected for that offset but nope..
So select whatever it is you want to try. One single block say +100 on the 1.050v line and hit enter and test it out making sure during rhe bench that it boosts to the right voltage during the run.
Then when your all done testing and you have the setting you want to run normally at save it to the profile so it will load with the os.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/11 21:53:52
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My manual settings are at 2133MHz @ 1050mV but drops to 2126MHz
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/12 13:11:48
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I finally came up with a curve I like (see attach image). It seems to be %100 percent benchmark stable, as I was able to run Firstrike, Time Spy, and Valley without artifacts or crashes. I have not tested it in-game though, so it may change. Benchmark links (Valley is the other image): Firestrike: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/15400595Time Spy: http://www.3dmark.com/spy/577780Valley: (see image). Thanks for all the help and advice.
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Re: Voltage Curve vs Normal OC
2016/10/12 13:48:39
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Phoenix864 I finally came up with a curve I like (see attach image). It seems to be %100 percent benchmark stable, as I was able to run Firstrike, Time Spy, and Valley without artifacts or crashes. I have not tested it in-game though, so it may change. Benchmark links (Valley is the other image): Firestrike: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/15400595 Time Spy: http://www.3dmark.com/spy/577780 Valley: (see image). Thanks for all the help and advice.
nice!! glad to hear and see! looks great!
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