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Let me start by saying I’m new to PC and am pretty clueless, but am learning as I go. I just replaced my 3070 with a Evga Ultra Xc3 3090. Made sure all drivers were up to date and let r rip. Only to find Warzone still running at 120 fps (average), which is a 0% gain from the 3070. My goal here is ~200. Any help is appreciated. Got into the BIOS and saw the ram was only running at 2400. I could not get the bios to accept the xmp profile nor could I change the freq to 4000. I finally got it to change to 3600 thinking that might help. It helped very slightly, maybe 5-10 fps. Is it possible to get full usage out of the ram I have with the mobo I have (specs below)? If so, how? I have gone through all the settings and changed textures from low to as high as they’ll go and it makes basically no different in frame rate. I’ve messed with several versions of people’s nvidia control panel settings. I’ve probably looked at every YouTube video out there on this and keep seeing the same issues, but no resolutions. Can anyone help? Current system specs: Ryzen 3700X (considering upgrading to a 5900x) ASRock X570 Taichi 2x T Force Xtreme ARGB 16 gb 4000 MHz X73 AIO Evga 3090 Xc3 Ultra Firecuda SSD (1tb) Nzxt C1000 gold Side note: should I upgrade to a 5900x? This PC will be used as both a gaming and streaming pc.
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
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What rez? Are you "locked" at 120 FPS somewhere ?
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
2021/04/08 23:18:20
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One thing to consider with amd chips is the infinity fabric and you with a 3000 series will have a very hard time hitting 2000mhz (required to get 1:1 with fabric and ram @ 4000mhz ram (it really runs at 2000mhz but is dual data rate(ddr) and thus reported as 4000mh). Most likely to get your ram to run at 4000mhz you would need to use a ratioed fabric clock which will hurt performance compared to a step or two down of matched clocks(infinity and ram). Even a 1800mhz fabric (needed for 3600mhz ram for 1:1) is tough on those 3000 series chips and if you are infact in some state that forces a ratioed fabric to ram clock you could be losing performance. I am by no means an expert but I recommend doing some research on 3000 series fabric speeds and how that relates to memory. Regarding fps, are you getting reports of being hard locked at 120? Or is it simply maxed there and fluctuates naturally around that? Is vsync on? 120hz is a common refresh rate. FYI: If your monitor is infact a 120hz panel there is very little gained by going higher. Regarding 5900x upgrade. Take a look a single core benches. Cpu-z and cinebench values are good indicators. The difference there is prob the best you could ever hope to see in game. Most likely less. A quick check shows about 20% gain to be had.
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
2021/04/08 23:18:55
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nvidia reflex turned on?
nvidia reflex will cap your fps below the max refresh rate of your screen to reduce input latency.
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
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Keeksmercs Let me start by saying I’m new to PC and am pretty clueless, but am learning as I go.
I just replaced my 3070 with a Evga Ultra Xc3 3090. Made sure all drivers were up to date and let r rip. Only to find Warzone still running at 120 fps (average), which is a 0% gain from the 3070. My goal here is ~200. Any help is appreciated.
Got into the BIOS and saw the ram was only running at 2400. I could not get the bios to accept the xmp profile nor could I change the freq to 4000. I finally got it to change to 3600 thinking that might help. It helped very slightly, maybe 5-10 fps. Is it possible to get full usage out of the ram I have with the mobo I have (specs below)? If so, how?
I have gone through all the settings and changed textures from low to as high as they’ll go and it makes basically no different in frame rate. I’ve messed with several versions of people’s nvidia control panel settings. I’ve probably looked at every YouTube video out there on this and keep seeing the same issues, but no resolutions.
Can anyone help?
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Side note: should I upgrade to a 5900x?
This PC will be used as both a gaming and streaming pc.
Upgrade your cpu And you’re not going to get 200fps at 1440p or higher unless u turn down settings 3700x is trash for this game compared to ryzen 5000 or intel 10/11th gen 8+/10 cores
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
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Check your GPU and CPU usage with windows task manager for CPU and gpuz for GPU. If one of them is near full usage (probably CPU indeed) then it's the reason for your bottleneck.
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
2021/04/09 02:00:32
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If you're gaming at lower resolution, getting a 3090 was 100% overkill & it's gains at 1080p are pretty crapoli even with the highest end newer processors. If you're at 1440p or higher, you shouldn't really be concerned with super high frame rates... should the card be performing better? Yes. Make sure your VSync settings are off, that the monitor & NVidia Control Panel, and the game, are not forcing VSync on or locking your frame rate if you're "stuck" at 120fps - if you're getting higher but 120fps is the average, that's obviously not the issue. Memory timings/speed & the infinity fabric stuff someone else brought up is a very good point, especially on the 3000-series, Hardware Unboxed & other channels on YouTube have covered the fact that tuning your Memory Timings & getting your RAM speed at a 1:1 ratio with the Infinity Fabric can boost minimum frame rates in some games but 10% or more - I'm unsure if this carries over to the 5000-series because their memory controllers are supposed to be "better", I'll be discovering that myself soon enough, I'm swapping my system out for a 3900x/X570 setup with 2x16GB of CL14 3600MHz RAM today, and I have a 5950x on the way next week thanks to a Newegg Shuffle selection, so I'll be briefly fiddling with the 3900x/memory timings on it, then swapping out. I don't have Warzone so I can't do a direct A to B comparison for you unfortunately, and my internet is slow A-F so I can't just download it on a whim, my internet speed varies a LOT during the day because of network load, and even at night/early morning I can only download about 6GB an hour. I would recommend giving Hardware Unboxed's Ryzen 3000/memory timing videos a view & trying the tools they showed yourself to really get your RAM in a good spot, stick with 3600MHz RAM and 1800MHz Infinity Fabric setting, tighten your timings according to what the tool recommends - Keep in mind DDR4 can run up to 1.5V 24/7 with no ill effects unless your case's airflow is atrocious, so the recommendation of raising RAM voltage a few .0?s it might tell you to do isn't "dangerous".
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
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Upgrade your cpu And you’re not going to get 200fps at 1440p or higher unless u turn down settings
3700x is trash for this game compared to ryzen 5000 or intel 10/11th gen 8+/10 cores
Sorry just proving 200+ is capable (I know my CPU is not a 3700x) but i do have a 1440p Maybe this will help him in his upgrade
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
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Upgrade your cpu And you’re not going to get 200fps at 1440p or higher unless u turn down settings
3700x is trash for this game compared to ryzen 5000 or intel 10/11th gen 8+/10 cores
Sorry just proving 200+ is capable (I know my CPU is not a 3700x) but i do have a 1440p Maybe this will help him in his upgrade
You're on the main menu, that's not very useful in telling us whether a 3090 can maintain 200+fps while in an actual warzone game.
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
2021/04/09 04:34:43
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You said the PC is being used for streaming are you running any software for streaming? Since most streaming is done at 30fps or 60fps streams it could be something limiting it for a smooth stream.
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
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Talk about a massive waste of $$$ lol...
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
2021/04/09 10:09:50
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As others have stated, we could use more information about your framerate, whether it is hard locked at 120 or hovering around 120, and what some of your settings are, what resolution are you running, monitor refresh rate, adaptive sync or not, etc. But I can share some of my experience, as Modern Warfare multiplayer and Warzone are all I've been playing for the last year and I also purchased a 3090 in hopes of improving my Warzone fps. I've done quite a bit of research on Warzone performance, which is not easy, because most tech sites and youtubers do not look at battle royales very much when they do benchmarking, I think because they are hard to benchmark consistently and/or fairly compared to single-player games that have built in benchmarks. My setup: Z370 mobo w/ 8700K (6c/12t) running at 5.0 all core (previously running at stock speed) 32gb DDR4-3200 C16 3090 Kingpin (previously a 1070ti) 2560x1440 165Hz Gsync monitor Gsync on Reflex off DSR off In game framerate limit set to 160fps (recommended to be a few frames below monitor max when using Gsync) Medium to high graphics settings in game (highest AA setting on) Render resolution 100% (2560x1440) Borderless windowed mode When I first started playing Warzone with my 8700K at stock settings and my 1070ti at 1440p, I was getting 90-115 fps most of the time. There would be some dips here and there when things got really crazy. And my Warzone performance was lower than the Modern Warfare multiplayer performance. Not by a lot, but lower. I don't think that Warzone performance is directly comparable to, or scales the same as MW mp or Black Ops mp. I joined the EVGA queue for a bunch of 3000 series cards, and the first queue that popped for me was the Kingpin, so I bit the bullet and bought it. My performance did improve, I think I was seeing like 124-140fps. It was a nice bump, but I was definitely disappointed after dropping 2k on a video card (the most I had ever spent before was like 600 for my 1070ti hybrid a few years ago). I started doing a bunch of Warzone performance research, or tried to anyway, but other than these generic crappy youtube videos about changing Windows settings and turning off overlays that you see for every game, it was hard to find anybody who was really testing Warzone. None of the major tech tubers use it for benchmarks. I finally found some videos saying that BR games in general, and Warzone specifically, scaled with higher core counts more than most single player games and a lot of multiplayer games. The advice was at least 8 cores, preferably more, fast cores, and memory latency as low as possible (latency supposedly being more important for game performance than sheer memory bandwidth). I was skeptical of this at first, all of the performance monitors that I was using (in game, Windows task manager, afterburner, etc) all showed that my CPU utilization was low, like less than 30%, so I didn't see how I could be CPU bound. But I went ahead an overclocked my 8700K from stock to 5.0 all core, and I got an immediate fps bump. Now, I consistently run 150-160 fps, sometimes riding my 160 fps cap. And my 1% lows are much better. I now believe that I need a better CPU and to improve my memory latency to unlock the potential of my 3090. I bought a 10850K (10c/20t), some DDR4-4000 C17 memory, and I'm currently waiting for either the Z590 FTW or Z590 Dark to come out so that I can use them. Planning a large all core overclock on the processor and trying to get the memory latency as low as possible. I hoping that the new setup will improve things even more. If it gives me a much higher fps potential, I might consider upgrading to one of the newer 240Hz 1440p Gsync monitors that are out. TLDR; I would recommend focusing on 8+ cores running as fast as possible and lowering memory latency as much as possible to get the most out of your 3090, hope that helps.
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
2021/04/09 10:15:06
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rjbarker What rez? Are you "locked" at 120 FPS somewhere ?
This. Also, what screen are you using? There are many factors in play here. If your screen doesn't support 200+ FPS, you're just overworking the GPU for nothing, using up more power and creating more thermals since you won't even actually view 200+ FPS on say a 60hz/120hz/144hz screen. That doesn't even include the load from streaming. Your RAM might be a limiting factor since you want high end gaming + streaming at the same time. Might need to get more RAM since I feel 16GBs might not be enough. Check the RAM usage and go from there. As previously stated, if you want the best for gaming and streaming, you might have to upgrade that CPU to the 5000 series AMD, presuming your MB is compatible.
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
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^^^^ Congrats on the most "epic" reply to a thread ever ;) Thanks for allowing us to see your entire "User Registry" !!
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
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rjbarker ^^^^ Congrats on the most "epic" reply to a thread ever ;) Thanks for allowing us to see your entire "User Registry" !!
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
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Even with my 5900x and really good Curve Optimizer and PBO settings and my 3080 oced hard, tight ram timings 1900 IF 1:1, in biggest warzone mode it will dip below 200.. Last few patches broke performance a lot...it will go to 250+ on places but not consistently.
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
2021/04/11 14:40:18
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I think this is more of Warzone problem, as I see something like 10+ Reddit posts a day about it running poorly. It appears it's just a poorly optimized game across the board, and people with all different ranges of hardware have issues with it.
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
2021/04/11 15:10:27
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Robs03gts Talk about a massive waste of $$$ lol...
Last I checked, how a person spends their money is their business. ie: If it's not your money, keep your mouth shut. Anyway...I've been reading Warzone has a performance problem...... definitely not optimized.
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
2021/04/11 17:20:58
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Robs03gts Talk about a massive waste of $$$ lol...
Last I checked, how a person spends their money is their business. ie: If it's not your money, keep your mouth shut. Anyway...I've been reading Warzone has a performance problem...... definitely not optimized.
Thank you. I have a 3090 and I remember some dude insisted I wasted my money. I came from a 2080ti so a 3080 just wasn't enough of an upgrade. But I have no idea why some people care how others use their money. To most people, even a 3080 is a waste of money. PC gaming is a waste of money. Just buy a PS5. It's really all about personal preferences.
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
2021/04/11 18:39:31
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Robs03gts Talk about a massive waste of $$$ lol...
Last I checked, how a person spends their money is their business. ie: If it's not your money, keep your mouth shut. Anyway...I've been reading Warzone has a performance problem...... definitely not optimized.
Thank you. I have a 3090 and I remember some dude insisted I wasted my money. I came from a 2080ti so a 3080 just wasn't enough of an upgrade. But I have no idea why some people care how others use their money. To most people, even a 3080 is a waste of money. PC gaming is a waste of money. Just buy a PS5. It's really all about personal preferences.
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
2021/05/09 14:25:23
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myb frame cap at 120, myb too overkill for 1080p if thats ur res
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
2021/05/09 14:33:53
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Most people have commented on diagnosing the bottle neck. I feel, if nothing has changed, that its a settings issue with either your refresh rate on the monitor, or the game itself hard capping. Congrats on getting not 1, but 2 30-series cards btw.
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
2021/05/09 14:47:38
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DavJam1337 Most people have commented on diagnosing the bottle neck. I feel, if nothing has changed, that its a settings issue with either your refresh rate on the monitor, or the game itself hard capping. Congrats on getting not 1, but 2 30-series cards btw.
I concur with the person above. Considering its limiting at 120hz that sounds like u not unlocked FPS off of refresh rate. If i was betting i think that is your most likely issue. Rest of the stuff need to see more info to make a better guess
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
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Sounds to me like a classic CPU bottleneck at first glance, unless you mean literally capped at exactly 120Hz in which case must be a software cap somewhere
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
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and here I am very jealous you can get over 100fps... enjoy! I think my 1080 would have an aneurysm
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
2021/05/10 12:23:20
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i read lot of nonsense posts and yea, few of them who care how other spending their money which is even bigger fail or nonsense. But come on -NO WAY you cannot get over 120fps with your setup? What settings are you using in warzone? I dont play warzone but i play fortnite battle royale, i have ftw3 ultra 3080 with 5900x ryzen 9 and having asus pg259QN - i can put my settings pretty high and i will get my 360FPS refresh rate. Are you using high settings like shadows and so on? Lower that down. Have you checked the in-game settings if the ingame is not set to max 120fps? There is no way that you get "stucked" at 120fps. Is fps counter bouncing like 100-120-lil bit over 120? or is the max fps you get 120fps and not couple fps over that? I also see this as a software cap somewhere. If you're Gpu is too powerful for your cpu than you would have "lags" but not "lags" - that would be only your gpu is sending much more than your cpu can handle. in this case limiting max fps on max 3 to 5fps max over your monitor would make sense. But no way - there is nothing like 120fps + your hardware setup without software cap. Check Nvidia System Settings (check overall settings and than check if you have under programms or apps warzone under settings and check the fps limiter there. Check also X1 EVGA Software. there is also a FPS limiter for the gpu. Then check Ingame Settings. And dont forget also there under windows you can change fps aswell. What is the fps counter doing without streaming and on some other games? Try CS GO for example. If you tell me that your cpu and a 3090 cannot run CS GO with higher fps rate than 120fps - that would be +1 for a software cap. You are limiting yourself withing settings. Or go install 3d Mark and run firestrike and timespy to see what result you will get there. Let us know. Br Dali
post edited by DaBogo - 2021/05/10 12:28:03
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Re: Upgraded to a 3090 and still get 120 fps in Warzone…
2021/05/10 13:13:51
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What monitor are you using?
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