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2018/08/17 16:01:53 (permalink)
Hello all!
 
I'm new to the forums and really new to PC gaming in general.  I have a factory overclocked GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 and would like help with trying to underclock clock it to mimic a reference card's speed.  If that makes sense... I've updated all graphics drivers as well. 
 
I'm currently a Destiny 2 player and have been getting the Broccoli error that says the following:
Graphics runtime detected a crash or loss of device
 
After quite a bit of research, other members have said that they have underclocked the GPU to -90 MHz on GPU clock offset and -64 MHz on memory clock offset using precision XOC but when I do that using the sliders, my computer randomly shuts off and the fans go into crazy mode!  Could someone lend me some advice on how to do this properly or any tips if they have encountered this error with Destiny 2 on PC since the Warmind DLC? 
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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/17 16:11:09 (permalink)
      In the NVIDIA Control Panel Check Debug Mode
    That will make it a Reference Card so to speak.
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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/17 17:23:43 (permalink)
    Hi Silky and welcome to the EVGA forums!
     
    Your card is designed to be factory overclocked so you shouldn't have to underclock it for it to work properly. The error you got from Destiny 2 could be from a lot of different sources, it could be the game itself, it could be the drivers... So the problem might not be your card itself.
     
    Download GPUZ (https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/) then go to the "sensors" tab. From there you can see your GPU load, its frequency, its temperature and the fan speed.
     

     
     Then if you click on the "?" button on the main tab you'll be able to stress test your card. While this test is running 3 things should happpen: the GPU load should go up close to 100%, the GPU temperature should raise and the fan speed should go to 100% after some time.
     
    Let this test run for at least 10-15 mins and see if it runs properly. Monitor closely the data. You can check the box "log to file" to record them while the test is running. The GPU temperature shouldn't go too far over 70°C / 158°F.
     
    If the software or your whole system locks up during this test there is probably a cooling issue. Otherwise you can also try to run https://benchmark.unigine.com/heaven to see if it also runs properly or not. 
     
    If both tests are fine it would looks like the problem either comes from your drivers or the game itself.
     
    So let us know what results you've got :)
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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/17 17:49:39 (permalink)
    I tried to run the card in debug mode and my computer shut down and my fan speed went up to 100% (I think because it was pretty loud).  I'm trying the stress tests using GPU-Z now.  So far so good but its been about 6 minutes. 
     
    My next question is, do I need to run any outside program such as Afterburner or Precision XOC to play games?  I was told to uninstall any program like this due to the "hooking" nature of them in Destiny 2 that could cause me to have issues.  Thanks for all the suggestions so far guys! I really appreciate it. 
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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/17 18:14:21 (permalink)
    You're welcome :)
     
    No you dont have to install Afterburner or Precision X for your games to work properly. They make you able to monitor your card like GPUZ but also to overclock it, which is not needed as your card is powerful enough to run Destiny 2 maxed out at its default frequencies.
     
    So you can uninstall them if you want, but these software shouldn't interfere with Destiny or any game whatsover. I've been using afterburner for years and never had this kind of problem with any game i've been playing so if you read this in the Destiny forums i wouldn't trust too much what you saw there ;)
     
    (I think because it was pretty loud)

     
    Dont rely on what you hear, rely on the sensors informations on gpuz ;)
     
    PS: do you play other games than Destiny 2? If so, do they run without any problems?
    PS2: do you get the error message on Destiny randomly or is it always after some time?
    post edited by Neutro - 2018/08/17 18:22:11

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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/17 18:35:42 (permalink)
    Update: Been running for over 45 minutes straight and no issues.  The one thing I did notice was that my fan speed was at 50% and it said my GPU temp was at 73 degrees.  I opened Precision XOC and it showed my power temp at 85 degrees and my GPU and Memory temps around 78... The auto fan profile (aggressive) kicked in and calmed everything down and then my fan speed jumped up accordingly.
     
    I may take your advice and download and install afterburner.  That's another main purpose of these programs is to regulate the fan speed (profiles) as well correct? I don't see options in GPU-Z to change my fan speed.  Once again, thank you for your help!
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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/17 18:46:40 (permalink)
    Well that's a good sign! Also yes software like afterburner can help you set up an fan curve or a manual fan speed whereas GPUZ is just a simple monitoring tool.
     
    So your test is indicating that your card is not overheating, that's great! But you didn't answer some of my previous questions ;)
     
    What you could try to do also to remove the overheating issue completely is use afterburner to set your card fan to manual 100%, log the sensors with GPUZ to a file and play Destiny.
     
    It will be loud as hell but if Destiny crashes again you can check on the log file what were the temperatures of your card at this exact time. If they were too high this could be the cause of the problem.
     
    Because when you play a game, not only your graphic card heats up, but also your CPU and your motherboard, and the more each one heats up the more the other heat up as well.
     
    So stress testing the GPU alone is good but you can't draw conclusions just with it!
     
     
     

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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/17 18:49:50 (permalink)
    I do play other games other than Destiny 2.  I play Warframe, Battlefied 1, Ghost Recon, Division, Overwatch, Rainbow 6 Siege, and many many other.  Destiny 2 is my main game I like to play and is the only one that gives me errors.  It used to be any Ubisoft game, but that was fixed a long time ago.  The error with Destiny always happens after some time typically around 5-15 minutes of play every single time... So frustrating...
     
     
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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/17 18:52:07 (permalink)
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    Well that's a good sign! Also yes software like afterburner can help you set up an fan curve or a manual fan speed whereas GPUZ is just a simple monitoring tool.
     
    So your test is indicating that your card is not overheating, that's great! But you didn't answer some of my previous questions ;)
     
    What you could try to do also to remove the overheating issue completely is use afterburner to set your card fan to manual 100%, log the sensors with GPUZ to a file and play Destiny.
     
    It will be loud as hell but if Destiny crashes again you can check on the log file what were the temperatures of your card at this exact time. If they were too high this could be the cause of the problem.
     
    Because when you play a game, not only your graphic card heats up, but also your CPU and your motherboard, and the more each one heats up the more the other heat up as well.
     
    So stress testing the GPU alone is good but you can't draw conclusions just with it!
     
     
     




    My bad lol :) Seen the reply on my phone in my inbox and didn't even notice the other questions you asked.  I'm going to try afterburner out right now and run the above test you just mentioned!
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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/17 18:54:38 (permalink)
    No worries :)
     
    If you can i suggest you also monitor your CPU and RAM activities along with their temperatures. 
     
    Most of the motherboards manufacturers have monitoring softwares avariable for this purpose, kinda like afterburner but for the motherboard!
     
    Another test you can do, even if it's a long shot, is to test the performance of the SSD where you installed Destiny 2. I once had a problem on a game where I pulled my hair off because i couldn't figure out what was wrong, and turns out it was my SSD that was slowly dieing but the only way i could seen it was with a performance test like https://www.techspot.com/downloads/6014-as-ssd-benchmark.html 
     
    PS again: what i'm trying to help you do is determine if indeed your hardware is fine, which is seems it is. This way if it indeed is you can contact the Destiny support, link them the topic here so they can see your hardware is fine and figure out why their client is crashing on your computer while the hardware is fine.
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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/17 19:00:55 (permalink)
    Neutro
    No worries :)
     
    If you can i suggest you also monitor your CPU and RAM activities along with their temperatures. 
     
    Most of the motherboards manufacturers have monitoring softwares avariable for this purpose, kinda like afterburner but for the motherboard!
     
    Another test you can do, even if it's a long shot, is to test the performance of the SSD where you installed Destiny 2. I once had a problem on a game where I pulled my hair off because i couldn't figure out what was wrong, and turns out it was my SSD that was slowly dieing but the only way i could seen it was with a performance test like  


    My CPU is watercooled with Corsair product so would that give me what I need for the CPU and I can get a program for my Gigabyte motherboard to monitor that as well? I'm learning so much today lol.
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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/17 19:10:05 (permalink)
    Have to make a couple more posts before I can respond to PMs lol.  I have to put my son to bed here shortly.  I will run more tests and be able to respond to your PM as soon as possible with that request.  Until then I'll run the above test and let you know the results. 
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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/17 19:11:14 (permalink)
    It's been a looooong time since i had a Gigabyte motherboard but if my searches are correct you can find the utility softwares here:
     
    https://www.gigabyte.com/FileUpload/global/Microsite/369/images/system-tweaking.html
     
    You can also use HWmonitor to do this i guess!
     
    https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html
     
    #edit: sorry i forgot about pm restrictions on new accounts ;) also im going to sleep but we can keep trying to figure this out together another time if you want :)
     
    post edited by Neutro - 2018/08/17 20:16:07

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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/17 21:20:57 (permalink)
    Gonna chime in and add HWiNFO64 as a suggestion for hardware monitoring -
    https://www.hwinfo.com/download.php
     
    I found it much more useful then HWmonitor
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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/18 12:12:58 (permalink)
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    my computer randomly shuts off and the fans go into crazy mode! 

    That usually means one of the following things...
     
    #1 Your gpu isn't receiving proper power.
    #2 Your psu/psu cables are defective.
    #3 Your gpu is defective.
     
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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/18 12:16:05 (permalink)
    He was trying to underclock his GPU. I think this is just a bad manipulation or a bug from precision X.
     
    If his GPU was defective or not getting enough power, it would never have ran properly other games or passed a stress test.

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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/18 12:22:07 (permalink)
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    He was trying to underclock his GPU. I think this is just a bad manipulation or a bug from precision X.
     
    If his GPU was defective or not getting enough power, it would never have ran properly other games or passed a stress test.


    All games will stress the card differently, so just because other games are working doesn't mean his gpu is in the clear. The stress test in GPU-Z is a weak stress test imo.
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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/18 12:25:29 (permalink)
    I agree with you but dont you find it counterlogical that his GPU works fine at default settings and when he tries to underclock it it stops working at all?
     
    If there would be a problem it should be in the opposite way imho 
     
    Anyway that's what i wanted him to do yesterday before he left: a full deep stress test of his whole rig while closely monitoring the temps... But the baby duty called him before :)

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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/18 12:33:05 (permalink)
    I've been on these forums a very long time. Not once have I ever seen a user report that their system randomly shuts off/gpu fans going crazy after underclocking their gpu. 
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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/18 12:44:24 (permalink)
    I've experienced this before when trying to change the frequency of my hardware using wrong controler settings. Any change you do locks up the computer right away because you ask the hardware to do something it doesn't understand. And when it does as no software regulates the fan anymore it goes back to its default settings: 100% aka crazy 
     
    You've been on this forum way longer than me but i've been mounting rigs and overclocking for almost 20 years so i have a little experience as well :) Either way i'm not criticizing your judgment, you might indeed be right, i'm just giving my 2 cents :)
     
    Anyway if his card works without modifying frequencies or voltage dont you think it's good enough or do you think he should rma it anyway?
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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/18 12:49:50 (permalink)
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    Anyway if his card works without modifying frequencies or voltage dont you think it's good enough or do you think he should rma it anyway?

    I think he should run some harder stress tests before he decides to rma the card.


     
     
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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/18 12:51:46 (permalink)
    I would give up Neutro as Sajin is known a God on the Forum and says he is Never Wrong about anything anytime anywhere.

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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/18 12:53:33 (permalink)
    Haha you gave me a good laugh  Thanks bc 
     
    Alright I bow down to the king 
     

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    Re: Underclocking GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 2018/08/18 13:04:54 (permalink)
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