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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2013/12/11 20:35:10 (permalink)
 
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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2013/12/12 14:15:00 (permalink)
Hi guys -
I've got 3X SLI 760s (4GB), a nice i7 (3930k), 16GB RAM, latest WHQL drivers, and I'm having issues in surround at 6000x1080 (or surround resolutions in general).  Specifically, I've attempted several different settings, including cranking everything down to low.  
 
The frame rate that the in-game counter is reporting just doesn't seem to match up at all with what I'm experiencing in-game.  It's a jumpy, framey mess, despite the fps counter in the corner happily reporting adequate frame rates.  I run vsync off, so that's not the cause of my headache.  Doesn't matter if I'm on an empty server or a full server. 
 
Sure, the framerate at 1080p jumps around a lot (staying very high) but it doesn't feel like a jarring, laggy, framey mess. 
 
It seems worse after the latest BF4 patch.
 
I'm wondering if I should pull a card, and test the game in 2-way SLI?  Perhaps I'm missing a setting?  Maybe the game just stinks?  I don't know.
 
If it was as simple as "hey, I'm getting low fps" it'd be easy to solve, right?  Instead, it looks and plays like garbage and the fps counter is lying. 
 
Am I the only one with this issue?  Any suggestions?

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2013/12/12 14:35:19 (permalink)
What core parking does

how to check if your cores are parked and how to change it


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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2013/12/12 14:53:28 (permalink)

Making Parking Options Show in the Windows Power Options

Too bad this option is NOT shown by default in the Windows Power Options, eh? Well, it can be! You can make your Advanced Power Options in Windows show this value!

Download the .REG file here (you can use the freeware RegMerge to see what is inside before applying): DOWNLOAD REG TWEAK
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[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\54533251-82be-4824-96c1-47b60b740d00\0cc5b647-c1df-4637-891a-dec35c318583]
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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2013/12/12 15:17:03 (permalink)
Doesn't Windows 8.1 have core parking disabled by default?  I'll check when I get home, but I don't think that's the issue if W8.1 already has this set.

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2013/12/13 13:27:47 (permalink)
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I got a question for you gamers. Do you experience blur and glow when sitting in some places or running? 

YES!!! I know EXACTLY what you are referring to.  Initially I thought it was supposed to be some game effect, like running through fire or something, but it's not.  I've seen it while nowhere near combat or anything that you'd expect to produce any types of other effects.  It's annoying.
 
On another note.....  I would be interested to see more testing done on various FPS from different maps.  Pre-patch, Lancig Dam was the worst map for me.  Now it seems like it's Hainan Resort.  And it doesn't happen ALL the time.  Most times, I get an ok 70-100 FPS, but sometimes, on Hainan, it dips down to the 40s for whatever reason. Would be nice to be able to even out the gameplay across all maps.


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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2013/12/13 13:31:53 (permalink)
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Making Parking Options Show in the Windows Power Options

Too bad this option is NOT shown by default in the Windows Power Options, eh? Well, it can be! You can make your Advanced Power Options in Windows show this value!

Download the .REG file here (you can use the freeware RegMerge to see what is inside before applying): DOWNLOAD REG TWEAK
The actual REG file contents are below.
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\54533251-82be-4824-96c1-47b60b740d00\0cc5b647-c1df-4637-891a-dec35c318583]
"Attributes"=dword:00000000




As much i would love to try this but i am concerned it would affect Solid State Drive users? Or does this only affect the processor power? Not to mention the download is broke right now on their website..

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2013/12/13 15:13:04 (permalink)
Its only really necessary if you have Hyper Threading. Usually non-hyperthreading cpu's do not have parked cores. Like my cpu for example, when I turn off hyper threading I have no parked cores ever. But when I turn hyperthreading on, cores 1,3,5,7 are parked when idle.

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2013/12/14 23:38:21 (permalink)
Thanks Overclock that reg tweak worked great! Just had to do a fresh OS install so I plugged it in

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2013/12/15 00:15:45 (permalink)
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Thanks Overclock that reg tweak worked great! Just had to do a fresh OS install so I plugged it in


imo its the best way to do it 
No restart required. Default value is 10% if you ever want to park them again.

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2013/12/17 03:41:21 (permalink)
From the latest patch notes:
 
-Made NVidia 331.82 or later driver versions mandatory for all players.
-Disabled DirectX 11.1 on NVidia cards that have outdated drivers.
 
I did a clean install up to 331.93 just to see, but it didn't seem like anything had changed. Still wild FPS's drop and overall bad performance. It almost seems as if the micro-stuttering was back for me. Went back to 331.58 and was as solid as before.
 
Not sure what "mandatory" means, especially with the next line referring to outdated drivers. I still had the same warning. At least i think it was, i click it away as fast as i can to toggle the user setting i mentioned on the last page.

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/01/01 16:24:06 (permalink)
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From the latest patch notes:
 
-Made NVidia 331.82 or later driver versions mandatory for all players.
-Disabled DirectX 11.1 on NVidia cards that have outdated drivers.
 
I did a clean install up to 331.93 just to see, but it didn't seem like anything had changed. Still wild FPS's drop and overall bad performance. It almost seems as if the micro-stuttering was back for me. Went back to 331.58 and was as solid as before.
 
Not sure what "mandatory" means, especially with the next line referring to outdated drivers. I still had the same warning. At least i think it was, i click it away as fast as i can to toggle the user setting i mentioned on the last page.




wow even after the patch your able to use 331.58? i was just about to try the temporary fix you edited in on your previous post but, that setting was already checked for me :(
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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/01/02 06:06:42 (permalink)
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wow even after the patch your able to use 331.58? i was just about to try the temporary fix you edited in on your previous post but, that setting was already checked for me :(

 
it doesn't matter what the "Focus game when loading is complete" setting is set to, just change it from whatever it's set to and click save. Whatever happens sofware-wise when you toggle it, it seems to re-focus the game for input.
 


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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/01/02 06:14:43 (permalink)
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What core parking does

how to check if your cores are parked and how to change it



I am running windows 8.1 and when I open Resource monitor as you speak of, none of my cores say "parked". They dont say anything. When I do the registry search the Max - 64 and min - 0. So I am confused because if the Max is supposed to be 0 to disable parked cores, then why is the monitor saying they are not parked, but the registry says they are? 

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/01/04 09:34:51 (permalink)
Turning off Hyper-Threading can cause huge stability increases.
 
My rig for example, was getting like 40fps no matter what settings I was on. Low, Medium, High, the framerate was all over the place. Now that I disabled Hyper-Threading, I am getting 60fps on Ultra and no dips at all.
 
The only thing Im having issues with now is screen tearing. Even though framerate is 60fps, and Vsync is enabled, it seems like there is a ton of screen tearing. Which is unfortunate because it makes the game look pretty bad when in motion, and the PS4 and Xbox One version looks much better despite being on high settings. It would be great to get rid of this tearing issue.

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/01/04 22:59:03 (permalink)
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Making Parking Options Show in the Windows Power Options

Too bad this option is NOT shown by default in the Windows Power Options, eh? Well, it can be! You can make your Advanced Power Options in Windows show this value!

Download the .REG file here (you can use the freeware RegMerge to see what is inside before applying): DOWNLOAD REG TWEAK
The actual REG file contents are below.
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\54533251-82be-4824-96c1-47b60b740d00\0cc5b647-c1df-4637-891a-dec35c318583]
"Attributes"=dword:00000000




As much i would love to try this but i am concerned it would affect Solid State Drive users? Or does this only affect the processor power? Not to mention the download is broke right now on their website..


The link isn't broken. When you click on it the DL is launched. Check your browser downloads and run it from there.

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/01/04 23:28:28 (permalink)
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What core parking does
 

I am running windows 8.1 and when I open Resource monitor as you speak of, none of my cores say "parked". They dont say anything. When I do the registry search the Max - 64 and min - 0. So I am confused because if the Max is supposed to be 0 to disable parked cores, then why is the monitor saying they are not parked, but the registry says they are? 


The hexadecimal numbers I imagine represent percentages 0 must = 100%. Honestly the best fix for this is the tweak OV3RCLK4 posted.
 
If your CPU tab in Resource Monitor shows all the cores working and non say parked, then they are not. Like OV3RCLK4 said, default in W7 is 10% and some of my cores said parked at this value (of course you will not know what percentage it is set at because Windows doesn't tell you until you install the plugin OV3RCLK4 linked. That's why it's so nice, not only is it an easy fix, you can also adjust it right from Power Options). When I checked the registry not all the cores were set to 0, but I cannot remember what number they were set at.

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/01/09 05:15:14 (permalink)
Anyone had a chance to try the 332.21 WHQL drivers released Jan 7? Did a clean install yesterday and was pleasantly surprised at how stable they were. It seems as stable if not performing better than 331.58. I didn't see anything in the release notes that would affect BF4 other than SLI support, but i'm not running SLI so perhaps there were some minor tweaks. I'd do some software testing to see a performance difference with 332.21 vs. 331.58 but i'm don't know how and don't really have the time to figure out how (though i'm sure it's not that difficult).
 
Anywhen, anyone else had a go with the new drivers? I'm sticking with them so far.

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/01/09 08:31:59 (permalink)
Yeah, the new drivers seem fine to me, but they didn't do anything with Battlefield's frame rates.

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/01/10 11:35:33 (permalink)
332.21 is working quite well during testing today
Further testing will prove them out, and they may become the recommended set....




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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/02/07 15:16:08 (permalink)
Maniac,
 
Any proposed updates to this guide?  Looking forward to it...

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/02/07 15:53:20 (permalink)
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Any proposed updates to this guide?  Looking forward to it...




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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/02/11 20:57:45 (permalink)
was gone for a month and booted up the game and no sound. Have to love this broken game in surround 1600p mode with SLI titans good god.

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/02/12 04:56:16 (permalink)
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was gone for a month and booted up the game and no sound. Have to love this broken game in surround 1600p mode with SLI titans good god.




Yeh, new TDM feature (bug) from the latest patch. You *should* have sound again after the next round loads.
 
btw, any thoughts from anyone about the 334.67 drivers? seems to be no difference for me over the 332.21 drivers.

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/02/15 13:07:35 (permalink)
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Pardon me if these questions have been asked before but I'm hoping you can enlighten me.
If you cannot answer me directly below please point me to your previous postings if at all possible.
It's my understanding there is a great amount of frustration with this game based on net code and hit registration not only from personal experience but from mostly flaming post all over the net.
I have two gaming systems one AMD based GPU and the other Nvidia.
The most important question to me personally would be #5 but they are all important.
 
  1. PLEASE explain the 180-250ms ping loophole? Why its there and how to exploit it?
  2. What is Server Polling and it's technical description as it relates to BF4?
  3. What feature does the Frostbyte engine uses to display player object data on a users client?
  4. What is the 200ms "prediction" feature and how does it work.
  5. What is the best way to overcome these short comings with hardware and settings?
 
I do not need a video your explanation will do fine with me.
 
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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/02/15 18:50:07 (permalink)
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@ Maniacvvv
Pardon me if these questions have been asked before but I'm hoping you can enlighten me.
If you cannot answer me directly below please point me to your previous postings if at all possible.
It's my understanding there is a great amount of frustration with this game based on net code and hit registration not only from personal experience but from mostly flaming post all over the net.
I have two gaming systems one AMD based GPU and the other Nvidia.
The most important question to me personally would be #5 but they are all important.
 
  1. PLEASE explain the 180-250ms ping loophole? Why its there and how to exploit it?
  2. What is Server Polling and it's technical description as it relates to BF4?
  3. What feature does the Frostbyte engine uses to display player object data on a users client?
  4. What is the 200ms "prediction" feature and how does it work.
  5. What is the best way to overcome these short comings with hardware and settings?
 
I do not need a video your explanation will do fine with me.
 




(the below is a very quick summary of answers to your questions in layman's terms)
 
 
#1  
For obvious reasons I cannot go into the exact details of this exploit.
But the results can be seen in any server, where a player who pings 225 (12,000+ miles round trip) has better hit detection than those who are pinging 15ms yet is very hard to score against. Typically these types run 65-10 kills
The reason its there? to allow low performance players to have fun.
 
#2
Server polling is how a game server communicates with the players connected to it.
Think of it like musical chairs, every time the music stops the server records where the players are. Before the music starts again it shares that information with all the players. This is how you can see where others are and what they are doing, and they can see you...
BF4 has very a decent polling scheme. The issue (with all polling in multiplayer games) is how to deal with players whose connections and/or framerate times cant keep current.
 
In the musical chair example, this means the music stops but the server does not KNOW where a player ended up...
BF4 appears to allow a player to "miss' more polling cycles than some other games, this causes the "imaginary" target issue due to the prediction feature used by the BF4 engine on a users client.
 
#3 and #4
BF4 uses a "client side" based display/hit detection environment
The game server attempts to give the correct data to the users client, so that it can render correctly what others are doing.
This works -quite well- when all the players on a given server are running approximately the same framerates and are able to communicate with the server using a low ping quality connection.
As any oldtimer will tell you back in the old days of multiplayer, any player with terrible framerates/fps delta and/or high ping would appear (you would SEE them) stuttering, skipping or teleporting all over the place... the player who was performing terribly, would have a awful "choppy" experience and hitting anyone else would be luck more than skill. If you wanted to really play, you would HAVE to upgrade.
 
In order to increase sales (for underpowered or poor connection players) many developers use whats called "Prediction" to overcome the problems of choppy/skipping/teleporting caused by players missing the sever poll and thus NOT giving data to server to share, and allow low framerate/high FPS delta/High ping/low quality players to have a "satisfying" experience.....
This is why you can be on a server with a 400 ping player running 20fps, and he looks and acts like the guys across the street!
 
In a nutshell, the engine is designed to allow players who miss the server poll to be given "made up" data by making a intelligent guess on the other players display.
This "make believe" stuff appears on both the poor performance users display -and- on those he is playing with.
The major issue with BF4 is the delta between what each player sees on his display. Because BF4 uses "client side" hit detection, when you shoot at someone dead on you should always get the kill (and often do) --unless- the server has "updated" a players position, and when you submit your hit data to the server for your kill, the server sees the data (prediction) does NOT match. In this case the programmer has to make a rule to determine the "winner" in such a situation. DICE programmers have decided to "weigh" such decisions in favor of very poor performance.
See answer #1 above for the result that often occurs
 
#5
The very best way to have a satisfying experience in BF4, is to run the most stable framerates possible (in the 60--100fps range) and use the best connection available. You must also try and find the highest performing servers closest to your physical location.
And the very best way to avoid frustration (after the above) is to avoid servers where players are pinging above 100 and/or are known to have poor fps.
 
Good rig, good connection, good server and everyone else playing performing decently
and BF4 is quite awesome indeed  
  
   
 




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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/02/16 08:30:47 (permalink)
Now I'm intrigued and want to know more.
 
So I'll assume by exploit you meant a hack or cheat when you mentioned it in another thread. Somehow I thought it may have been something less benign. For example: On the face of it (all the above), it would appear finding a server far away where your ping in game is high would give you an advantage. Or pull that old PC out of the closet that meets the minimum requirements and go have fun cause the game has been skewed in your favor then. You may not have the eye candy but you will be kicking ares because predictions are better than you are.
 
It no wonder so many people are extremely disgruntled and find their way to cheat this game. It really boils down to it's the only way to get around the horrible net code and client side hit detection. Especially when you consider Gamers like my self have pre-paid some $100 dollars for premium and all expansion only to find out they have been ripped off again (BF2 BF3) and to add further pain and suffering they slapped us in the face for buying extreme gear and premium internet connections to play it.  Sad commentary indeed! If all true?
 
I remember considering carefully before purchase and at beta this game. I read an article from an executive of the developer in the same time frame where he described a hybrid detection system which would be a combination of client side and server side detection. It sounded promising at the time and I was hopeful what we ended up with would be better however it seems more broken now then ever before. I also seem to recall him describing Server side tools that would improve these inequities. So What? that's all out the window and it was a lie. Sorry I don't have a link to article it was a drive by for me read it quickly and moved on.
 
Your final comment seems a bit idealist and as we all know the real world is most of the time something entirely different. Such has been my experience. I have tried nearly everything I could think of from Ultra to Low graphics settings, High ping to low, laptop to high end gaming rig, AMD and Nvidia Graphics and Direct X to Mantle nothing works the way it could or should. 
 
The real crime is the game has so much potential it really could be the greatest game going without question but they foobared it in the name of profit.  
 

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/02/27 05:01:00 (permalink)
Is this guide still being worked on or did OP give up? 

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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/02/27 05:47:21 (permalink)
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Is this guide still being worked on or did OP give up? 




I am working on it




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Re: Ultimate Battlefield 4 Guide 2014/02/27 08:46:21 (permalink)
 just giving you a hard time. I wouldn't blame you if you gave it up. Can't wait to see what you come up with. 

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