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2018/09/23 09:34:43 (permalink)
https://wccftech.com/exclusive-nvidia-rtx-msrp-tariffs/

Curious if this will effect EVGA cards and even preorders?
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/23 09:44:08 (permalink)
    In a nutshell it will affect any electronic part made in China from any electronic manufacturer which is why several Taiwan based OEMs are moving some semiconductor manufacturing back to Taiwan. This of course is only applicable to items imported into the USA.
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/23 10:09:13 (permalink)
    Does this affect preorders of the 2080/2080Ti cards? I don't want EVGA asking me for more money on a card I don't even have yet lol
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/23 10:12:01 (permalink)
    It won't affect pre orders
    But I'm worried, as I missed pre orders
    With Nvidia delaying the launch
    I was really hoping to get my card ordered before all this. But thanks to the Tis not launching until the 27th or likely later for the ftw3 I'm afraid I'm gonna get screwed over lol
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/23 11:26:13 (permalink)
    Yeah that sucks.. It's pretty crazy how something I pre-ordered went up in value because of this.
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/23 12:06:37 (permalink)
    Just saw this article and although it pertains to MSI the price effect for all OEMs should be similar:
     
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/23 16:00:17 (permalink)
    This is going to make 1080 Ti's more popular and I would not be surprised if we see another inflation of price for 1080 Ti's like the mining craze caused.
     
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/23 16:19:44 (permalink)
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    In a nutshell it will affect any electronic part made in China from any electronic manufacturer which is why several Taiwan based OEMs are moving some semiconductor manufacturing back to Taiwan. This of course is only applicable to items imported into the USA.



    It may be a little more complicated on Who it will impact, seems special interests can bend the rules
     
    Last week in the news I heard something about Apple getting a walk on the Tariff

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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/23 16:51:20 (permalink)
    rjohnson11
    In a nutshell it will affect any electronic part made in China from any electronic manufacturer which is why several Taiwan based OEMs are moving some semiconductor manufacturing back to Taiwan. This of course is only applicable to items imported into the USA.




    While this could happen it would take time to ramp up production in Taiwan as factories will take time to build and the factories already running will probably raise prices as a result as they start to see demand outpace supplies.

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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/23 17:17:02 (permalink)
    I hope so.
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/23 19:21:56 (permalink)
    rjohnson11
    In a nutshell it will affect any electronic part made in China from any electronic manufacturer which is why several Taiwan based OEMs are moving some semiconductor manufacturing back to Taiwan. This of course is only applicable to items imported into the USA.



    Of course it will affect things made in China but I was asking specifically about EVGA cards. And I am in the USA so it applies. I asked about preorders since I have a preorder in though EVGA charged full price at the time I submitted the preorder. I would guess that EVGA will honor that price but EVGA's cost will depend on if the card is a) from China, and b) yet to cross the border into the USA through Customs. A 10% tariff isn't so bad for now, but those become 25% January 1 if this situation continues.
     
    The article notes that many manufacturers are going to move back to Taiwan, but that takes time. The article notes temporary price hikes due to tariffs and how long it will take to ramp up manufacturing and how some manufacturers won't be able to do that for various reasons and will end up stuck with the tariff on their products for as long as the tariffs are in force.
     
     
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/23 23:06:23 (permalink)
    nvidia already factored this into the MSRP

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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/24 01:34:02 (permalink)
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    nvidia already factored this into the MSRP


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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/24 02:00:12 (permalink)
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    nvidia already factored this into the MSRP


    Source? 


    I think he's joking about the high price the cards already started with, but no one can keep up with the tariffs which are announced every day.
     
    I don't know which parts have tariffs, but if for example the power phases were hit with tariffs since 2 months ago and EVGA imports them from a Chinese manufacturer, then those are already in the price. If the RAMs are hit with tariff but EVGA uses Micron's GDDR6 which is a USA company and has manufacturing locations in both China and US (and elsewhere)... I really don't know how to calculate something like that!
    Also in case Micron manufactures the memories in US, what raw materials are used for a GDDR6 memory? Are those raw materials under tariffs? Will they be tomorrow?
     
    I know what Trump is trying to achieve with this tariff war but he and the China-guy have dragged this so far that everyone is suffering.
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/24 04:24:18 (permalink)
    This is a good move. Move manufacturing out of abusive countries that steal intellectual property like China and into more fair and friendly markets like Taiwan and South Korea. 
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/24 08:43:30 (permalink)
    dont have to move production. Just send it through different country, add one screw and problem is solved.
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/24 10:26:56 (permalink)
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    This is a good move. Move manufacturing out of abusive countries that steal intellectual property like China and into more fair and friendly markets like Taiwan and South Korea. 


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    dont have to move production. Just send it through different country, add one screw and problem is solved.



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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/24 17:20:06 (permalink)
    I'm still waiting to find out if the prices have increased as they have for other manufacturers; or vendors to be more appropriate. 
     
    My assumption is the prices will increase by the cost of the tariffs.  EVGA is no different than any other supplier, unless they source the high cost parts from foundries in other countries. 
     
    I haven't pre-ordered because I'm still running an i7-2600k, which has 'generally' been shown to be a more limiting factor on cards faster than a 1070 GTX.  I know I want an 2080 FTW edition, just need to determine the correct CPU and platform (within my budget).
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/24 18:26:24 (permalink)
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    I'm still waiting to find out if the prices have increased as they have for other manufacturers; or vendors to be more appropriate. 
     
    My assumption is the prices will increase by the cost of the tariffs.  EVGA is no different than any other supplier, unless they source the high cost parts from foundries in other countries. 
     
    I haven't pre-ordered because I'm still running an i7-2600k, which has 'generally' been shown to be a more limiting factor on cards faster than a 1070 GTX.  I know I want an 2080 FTW edition, just need to determine the correct CPU and platform (within my budget).

    Go with ryzen. If you're trying to fit into a budget AND is much much closer to Intel gaming performance these days. The 2700x is within 2-5fps of the 8700k, in games that aren't core locked it occasionally outpaces the 8700k and on average the setup will cost ya 200 less
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/24 23:33:29 (permalink)
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    This is a good move. Move manufacturing out of abusive countries that steal intellectual property like China and into more fair and friendly markets like Taiwan and South Korea. 




    Taxing US consumers does nothing but cost you and I more money. The tariff is a tax. Fine, you want to move manufacturing and add 25% to the cost...because?
    The ONLY way you end a trade imbalance with China is if you and I stop buying about half of the products we do. We have a trade imbalance because we buy so much garbage.
    Put another way, with some 4.4% of the total world population, we use over 25% of the resources. That's why we have a trade imbalance.
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/24 23:36:21 (permalink)
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    I'm still waiting to find out if the prices have increased as they have for other manufacturers; or vendors to be more appropriate. 
     
    My assumption is the prices will increase by the cost of the tariffs.  EVGA is no different than any other supplier, unless they source the high cost parts from foundries in other countries. 
     
    I haven't pre-ordered because I'm still running an i7-2600k, which has 'generally' been shown to be a more limiting factor on cards faster than a 1070 GTX.  I know I want an 2080 FTW edition, just need to determine the correct CPU and platform (within my budget).

    Go with ryzen. If you're trying to fit into a budget AND is much much closer to Intel gaming performance these days. The 2700x is within 2-5fps of the 8700k, in games that aren't core locked it occasionally outpaces the 8700k and on average the setup will cost ya 200 less



    What? Unless he needs a massive number of cores, the higher IPC and far higher clocks are going to net you an easy 15-20%  over Ryzen without even trying. Who would gimp a 2080/2080 Ti like that?
    Sorry to be harsh but your post is not accurate.

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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/25 06:39:31 (permalink)
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    This is a good move. Move manufacturing out of abusive countries that steal intellectual property like China and into more fair and friendly markets like Taiwan and South Korea. 




    Taxing US consumers does nothing but cost you and I more money. The tariff is a tax. Fine, you want to move manufacturing and add 25% to the cost...because?
    The ONLY way you end a trade imbalance with China is if you and I stop buying about half of the products we do. We have a trade imbalance because we buy so much garbage.
    Put another way, with some 4.4% we use over 25% of the resources. That's why we have a trade imbalance.




    People should be buying quality American or European made goods that last a long time. That is the point. Not cheap garbage Chinese throw away stuff. 
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/25 07:39:21 (permalink)
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    People should be buying quality American or European made goods that last a long time. That is the point. Not cheap garbage Chinese throw away stuff. 



    Well, not what this thread is about but there are quite a few things now pretty much only made in China. Slapping tariffs on them only increases the prices. It doesn't protect US workers' jobs.
     
    It's a result of manufacturer after manufacturer offshoring production. The manufacturers themselves are the ones who eliminated US jobs. Not China. And I'm not defending China because they are well known for running production lines long and flooding the gray markets with additional products that the original "manufacturer" doesn't see any profit on and those products actually compete head to head against the original "manufacturer". Most companies realize and accept that and just take the hit because China works for peanuts which means much higher profits.
     
    Products manufactured in countries with lax environmental laws, low wages, and minimal regulations on working conditions or worker age can be made very cheaply. Make those same products in the US or Europe and the costs go way up right off the bat. Products made in the US and Europe cost more. People need to understand and accept that if you want to force all manufacturing back into the US and Europe. I'm not arguing against it. Just saying there will be consequences. It's not unlike closing the borders to migrant workers who harvest produce on low wages. That's fine as long as everyone understands that it is going to cost more for the same work if Americans do those kinds of jobs.
     
    Also, China now makes pretty high quality stuff. Of course there is cheap stuff but there is also a lot of premium stuff. They have learned well and worked hard. Intel even has one of their premier fabs and research facilities in China.
     
    Nothing is free. You can spout off your opinions all you want but at least make them educated. The chant, torch, and pitchfork stuff falls apart when you look at the real issues. And there are lots of real issues.
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/25 07:57:50 (permalink)
    It's the trade imbalances. The US has such a large trade deficit with China because China will not allow US made goods into their country without high tariffs on them. Either China opens up it's markets like the US did for them or the products will come back here to be made. The US can not survive having jobs taken away along with US products being blocked by high tariffs. This isn't merely a China only issue, this is happening all over the globe. Other Countries are trying to be reciprocal, while China is not. It time this stops, we have been sold out for too long.
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/25 09:21:34 (permalink)
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    It's the trade imbalances. The US has such a large trade deficit with China because China will not allow US made goods into their country without high tariffs on them. Either China opens up it's markets like the US did for them or the products will come back here to be made. The US can not survive having jobs taken away along with US products being blocked by high tariffs. This isn't merely a China only issue, this is happening all over the globe. Other Countries are trying to be reciprocal, while China is not. It time this stops, we have been sold out for too long.




    No, we have such a large imbalance because as I stated precisely: with 4.4% of the World's population we CONSUME 25% of the resources. Simple math tells you that you cannot have the rest of the ~95%  of the world be as wasteful as we are  to 'balance out trade'. How many 4.4% using 25% does it take to equal 100%? This is very, simple. Why isn't Canada  complaining about their trade imbalance with US? Reagan started the mass outsource  of of jobs and killing unions as a priority to increase corp profits. Corporations don't care about your job. They care about maximum profit as is the fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders. Those you elected sold you out. All Hail King Trump.

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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/25 09:23:35 (permalink)
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    It's the trade imbalances. The US has such a large trade deficit with China because China will not allow US made goods into their country without high tariffs on them. Either China opens up it's markets like the US did for them or the products will come back here to be made. The US can not survive having jobs taken away along with US products being blocked by high tariffs. This isn't merely a China only issue, this is happening all over the globe. Other Countries are trying to be reciprocal, while China is not. It time this stops, we have been sold out for too long.




    No, we have such a large imbalance because as I stated precisely: with 4.4% of the World's population we CONSUME 25% of the resources. Simple math tells you that you cannot have the rest of the ~95%  of the world be as wasteful as we are  to 'balance out trade'. How many 4.4% using 25% does it take to equal 100%? This is very, simple. Why isn't Canada  complaining about their trade imbalance with US? Reagan started the mass outsource  of of jobs and killing unions as a priority to increase corp profits. Corporations don't care about your job. They care about maximum profit as is the fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders. Those you elected sold you out. All Hail King Trump.


    No, it's exactly what I posted.
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/25 10:02:37 (permalink)
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    It's the trade imbalances. The US has such a large trade deficit with China because China will not allow US made goods into their country without high tariffs on them. Either China opens up it's markets like the US did for them or the products will come back here to be made. The US can not survive having jobs taken away along with US products being blocked by high tariffs. This isn't merely a China only issue, this is happening all over the globe. Other Countries are trying to be reciprocal, while China is not. It time this stops, we have been sold out for too long.




    No, we have such a large imbalance because as I stated precisely: with 4.4% of the World's population we CONSUME 25% of the resources. Simple math tells you that you cannot have the rest of the ~95%  of the world be as wasteful as we are  to 'balance out trade'. How many 4.4% using 25% does it take to equal 100%? This is very, simple. Why isn't Canada  complaining about their trade imbalance with US? Reagan started the mass outsource  of of jobs and killing unions as a priority to increase corp profits. Corporations don't care about your job. They care about maximum profit as is the fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders. Those you elected sold you out. All Hail King Trump.


    No, it's exactly what I posted.


    I have to agree with kram36 here, HeavyHemi is just flat out wrong.
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/25 10:07:27 (permalink)
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    No, we have such a large imbalance because as I stated precisely: with 4.4% of the World's population we CONSUME 25% of the resources. Simple math tells you that you cannot have the rest of the ~95%  of the world be as wasteful as we are  to 'balance out trade'. How many 4.4% using 25% does it take to equal 100%? This is very, simple. Why isn't Canada  complaining about their trade imbalance with US? Reagan started the mass outsource  of of jobs and killing unions as a priority to increase corp profits. Corporations don't care about your job. They care about maximum profit as is the fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders. Those you elected sold you out. All Hail King Trump.




    With all do respect Heavy, you couldn't be more further from the truth.  It wasn't Reagan who started the outsourcing, this started happening in the 60s and 70s.  The unions promise too many unicorns for everyone because the more everyone has, the more THEY get.  See how that works?  Meanwhile that chokes up said company who should have full authority of the way they do things hence why outsourcing became so popular and it just got worse over time, one of the many reasons why the unions got weaker overtime and now mainly run in the public domain.  You can't fire anyone who is completely incompetent either because they are protected.
     
    Second, using Canada in any example is null, void.  You're comparing a country of 36 million to a country with 10 times that population.  Day n night difference.
     
    And whats up with this whole consumption?  Because we make too much and have many options (thank you capitalism), we should stop doing that? LOL  That's capitalism baby, love it or hate it.  Everyone else can take notes as China has to manipulate 'capitalism' there while regulating the day lights out of it.  Only time will till when their economy crashes as they are overdue and when with market manipulation and stalling for a 'reset' if you will, the fall will be even harder.
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    Re: USA Tariff Impacts? Do They Effect EVGA Cards? 2018/09/25 10:10:17 (permalink)
    Hemi isn't wrong, you both flat out misunderstand economic and trade imbalance

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