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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
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My next car will be a hyundai, even for this long time Honda owner, cause nothing they put out since the 8th gen civic interests me. Hyundai is what Honda used to be 15 years ago. And I refuse to buy and domestic vehicle, Americans still don't beat the japs or even the Koreans now, domestics are a joke.
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
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domestics are a joke.
I completely disagree!
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
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So you have blinders on kram? Saying ford, gm and Chrysler make the best vehicles out there is just an opinion and you know darn well biased. And then to say people that buy foreign cars wont admit their mistake is just rude and insulting. In the 20 some odd cars ive owned, my toyota tundra has been the best, i wouldnt trade my new lexus for the world and my subaru sti is a beast. Ive owned several ford and gm cars and trucks all of which had recalls and issues.
Just remember GM got fat and lazy and you paid for that s10 twice, once when you bought it and again with your taxes when they got bailed out.
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
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domestics are a joke.
I completely disagree!
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
2012/12/22 16:40:23
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So you have blinders on kram? Saying ford, gm and Chrysler make the best vehicles out there is just an opinion and you know darn well biased. And then to say people that buy foreign cars wont admit their mistake is just rude and insulting. In the 20 some odd cars ive owned, my toyota tundra has been the best, i wouldnt trade my new lexus for the world and my subaru sti is a beast. Ive owned several ford and gm cars and trucks all of which had recalls and issues.
Just remember GM got fat and lazy and you paid for that s10 twice, once when you bought it and again with your taxes when they got bailed out.
Nope, the blinders are on those foreign car buyers that won't look in the domestic vehicles. GM, Ford and Chrysler has raised the bar above the foreign competition. The new Cadillac ATS just beat out BMW and Mercedes on Motor Trend. Jap cars are boring in looks, performance and the interiors are hard and bland. If there was any country that would attract me from the American market, it would be Germany.
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
2012/12/22 18:15:51
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I looked at the CTS-V when i bought my lexus, yeah nope. And bmw wanted 20k more for a comparably equipped car.
The ats is a joke next to my f-sport. Motortrend is very biased to domestic and terrible with reviews these days. The best review they had was the camaro that blew side air bags when doing hard cornering tests, that was classic.
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
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    I wanted to match the cars closest to each other. 4 door sedans with close to 275hp and close trim options. All the cars above are close to each other in price, look nice, drive nice. However one of them is well over 5K more and comes with a lame warranty. I have owned a few cars in my time. I know how to shop for a car. you want something that your insurance company wont hit you hard for. Something that you dont need to take out an extra warranty on top of the one that came with the car. also most people dont pay in cash. 1000 = 20 a month in payments. So that 2013 ATS will be about 140 more a month before you take out a $3,000 "extended" warranty. the only thing that matters is that your car starts every morning so you can go. most American cars just dont deliver this. but I could be wrong too.
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
2012/12/22 19:04:55
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I will be another to support Hyundai. Love my 2006 Sonata. Never had an issue, and the build quality is amazing. Still drives super tight, and plenty powerful enough with the 230ish HP V6. Great family car. Bout to get another one at year end. Maybe a Santa Fe this time.
If I was going to buy domestic, it would be a ford fusion. But for my hard earned dollars, Ill take the 10 year warranty.
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
2012/12/22 19:05:49
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I wouldn't drive a Ford even if you gave me one, i'd sell it for scrap instead or sell it to some moron who doesn't mind when his Ford kills him due to crappy quality. Cause its a Fix or replace daily After I move, this will be my next car 
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
2012/12/22 19:46:23
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Look really cool ice!
I really do like the looks of Chrysler's newer line up and love the SRT powered cars but i know how crappy their suspensions are.
I tried to buy an F-250 diesel but it felt plastic compaired to my tundra and was not worth the 61k they wanted. I even looked at gmc for a 2500 but they were way down on power.
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
2012/12/23 00:23:00
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I wanted to match the cars closest to each other. 4 door sedans with close to 275hp and close trim options.
All the cars above are close to each other in price, look nice, drive nice. However one of them is well over 5K more and comes with a lame warranty.
I have owned a few cars in my time. I know how to shop for a car. you want something that your insurance company wont hit you hard for. Something that you dont need to take out an extra warranty on top of the one that came with the car. also most people dont pay in cash. 1000 = 20 a month in payments.
So that 2013 ATS will be about 140 more a month before you take out a $3,000 "extended" warranty.
the only thing that matters is that your car starts every morning so you can go. most American cars just dont deliver this.
but I could be wrong too.
Well said bro. You got to be a complete idiot if you buy a car that you pay insurance out the butt for. Its sucks how a chunk of our pay checks go towards paying insurance companies. Anyways auto insurance companies decide your amount you pay by judging your vehicle's color,engine size, how many doors, type of car, and value. They also judge you, by your age, driving record (such as tickets and DUIs/DWIs ect..), and how many accidents you had. What I love about the state of Texas is that your not required to have insurance with your name to have your vehicle insured. It does not matter who it is, your car just has to be insured by someone. Like right now my Cobra has my father's name on the insurance card for my car instead of my name on it. Its a good way to save money if your young like me and have a sports car.
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
2012/12/23 04:53:10
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Not only that... But this is one area that more time/effort/money has been spent than in interior designing... Take the Ford Company for an example... The low end models of all their vehicles have the cheaper windshields in them. Mid grade up have their latest tech. Quick test... Test drive the low end model on the HWY... Then get in the Mid grade or higher... Notice how much more quiet the interior sound is? The mid grades up have the newer tech that includes anywhere from a single to multiple layers of added material. One layer is sound deadening, another is impact fibers (Will hold a good sized object in the now destroyed windshield instead of it entering the cabin) and so on. Heck even a few have the added "Sun screen" effect...
Doesnt surprise me at all since the lower end Ford models are all garbage. I used to own a 07 Ford Focus, worst car I ever had. Was in and out of the shop for months and when I finally got rid of it at ~7500 miles, 3rd and 5th gear were shot in the transmission. The whole car just felt cheaply made and I know what you mean about highway noise, never felt safe in that car. Add the way they treated me as a customer and i'll likely never buy a Ford again.
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
2012/12/23 05:43:53
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To each their own. 
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
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I wouldn't drive a Ford even if you gave me one, i'd sell it for scrap instead or sell it to some moron who doesn't mind when his Ford kills him due to crappy quality. Cause its a Fix or replace daily
After I move, this will be my next car
Thanks for posting this! I saw one of these guys over the weekend while out shopping and I just thought it was awesome. Cool to see you can get a fully loaded one for under $30k
I've seen a few of these around town and I just dont get it. Looks butt ugly to me but I guess its the new cool to have a ugly car.
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
2012/12/23 06:42:16
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It doesnt matter what your testing, all testing is subjective and you pull from it what you want.... whos testing it is more important! While this is not a vehicle test example, it shows you who and what your dealing with when humans run the testing.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-12-18/national/35886337_1_annie-dookhan-state-lab-samples
There is merit in what you are saying. I only offer this... Damage to a vehicle, in a controlled environment that is repeatable for a scientific requirement that even you and I can look at after it is all said and done... Is very different than one person having total control over the results reported. *** I wonder how they fake a tire entering the "Human" compartment after hitting a wall? *** Tell me exactly how my son lost his life in an auto accident and that had this kind of test been done or not would not make any difference in the result?????? Yeah, that is correct. This very test, had they of been doing it for the last 20 years (Late 90's "Japanese car") that might have saved my sons life. The driver of the car swerved and the passenger side, opposite of the test, is what took the impact and allowed the Driver to walk away and our son not to... Now... Tell me how or what to pull from that. It is quite clear many of those responding are not familiar with just how important these tests have been to even have the safety we have today. And that is just fine. This is how I started learning about these things. I just figured a vehicle was a vehicle. Like it or not. Friends and family members owe their lives to those bringing the weaknesses of any vehicle to our attention (Well technically the Manufacturers). Here is an example... Show me anyone that would like to have an head on collision at 40 mph in a 1960's or 70's "Car" vs. today. How about 30 mph? You think that all the advances and changes are because car manufactures out of the good graces of their hearts did all of it on their own? lol... They need us alive so we can keep buying them  Oh and as far as the Insurance slamming... It sucks to pay for sure. However think about what you are saying. Because you do have a choice. In many States... If you cause the injury to another person, you cannot file for bankruptcy to get rid of that debt. You must pay, like Student Loans and Taxes... So what choice do you have? Simple... Pay for Insurance (Assuming you even understand what you are paying for and now have proper coverage) or do not, and pay for all the losses out of your pocket... Hmmmm... Let us look at that... In 2004, the AVG Automobile Accident Cost between two vehicles that required at least one day in the Hospital for at least one of the persons involved (Includes loss of wages, medical expenses and property damages) was $327,000. Let's see... I have two choices... Gamble and not pay Insurance a few thousand a year for proper coverage that could potentially cost me to pay $327,000 of my hard earned assets for the rest of my life to someone I Injured... Or pay the few thousand a year and thank my lucky stars I spoke to a professional that helped educate me on the risks so that I made an informed decision on my coverage's... Your call. But I think I will take the mature road and pay the Insurance Companies...
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
2012/12/23 07:37:16
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There is merit in what you are saying. I only offer this...
Damage to a vehicle, in a controlled environment that is repeatable for a scientific requirement that even you and I can look at after it is all said and done... Is very different than one person having total control over the results reported. *** I wonder how they fake a tire entering the "Human" compartment after hitting a wall? ***
Tell me exactly how my son lost his life in an auto accident and that had this kind of test been done or not would not make any difference in the result??????
Yeah, that is correct. This very test, had they of been doing it for the last 20 years (Late 90's "Japanese car") that might have saved my sons life. The driver of the car swerved and the passenger side, opposite of the test, is what took the impact and allowed the Driver to walk away and our son not to...
Now... Tell me how or what to pull from that.
It is quite clear many of those responding are not familiar with just how important these tests have been to even have the safety we have today. And that is just fine. This is how I started learning about these things. I just figured a vehicle was a vehicle.
Like it or not. Friends and family members owe their lives to those bringing the weaknesses of any vehicle to our attention (Well technically the Manufacturers).
Here is an example... Show me anyone that would like to have an head on collision at 40 mph in a 1960's or 70's "Car" vs. today. How about 30 mph? You think that all the advances and changes are because car manufactures out of the good graces of their hearts did all of it on their own? lol... They need us alive so we can keep buying them
Oh and as far as the Insurance slamming... It sucks to pay for sure. However think about what you are saying. Because you do have a choice.
In many States... If you cause the injury to another person, you cannot file for bankruptcy to get rid of that debt. You must pay, like Student Loans and Taxes...
So what choice do you have? Simple... Pay for Insurance (Assuming you even understand what you are paying for and now have proper coverage) or do not, and pay for all the losses out of your pocket...
Hmmmm... Let us look at that... In 2004, the AVG Automobile Accident Cost between two vehicles that required at least one day in the Hospital for at least one of the persons involved (Includes loss of wages, medical expenses and property damages) was $327,000.
Let's see... I have two choices... Gamble and not pay Insurance a few thousand a year for proper coverage that could potentially cost me to pay $327,000 of my hard earned assets for the rest of my life to someone I Injured... Or pay the few thousand a year and thank my lucky stars I spoke to a professional that helped educate me on the risks so that I made an informed decision on my coverage's...
Your call. But I think I will take the mature road and pay the Insurance Companies...
Sorry to hear about your son.  Must be very very painful. I would not know how that feels to have a connection like that with anyone because I am not a father. At least we know he is in a better place with the Almighty taking care of him well. But I am pretty sure all of us would pay for insurance anyways. Regardless its required by law to have insurance lol. Your example is really well explained. If medical bills and car repairs were a lot cheaper with a reasonable price, we probably wouldn't be required to have insurance. But of course these expensive bills is how these insurance companies make their money off of us.
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
2012/12/23 11:44:09
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Tell me exactly how my son lost his life in an auto accident and that had this kind of test been done or not would not make any difference in the result??????
Got nothing else to say now. Very, very sorry for your loss After.
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
2012/12/23 12:46:13
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Tell me exactly how my son lost his life in an auto accident and that had this kind of test been done or not would not make any difference in the result??????
Got nothing else to say now. Very, very sorry for your loss After.
Ah man, not my intent. My point was this. As we learn more and more we find why many things are in place that we may not understand/appreciate/want until we become informed. Then once informed most make reasonable adjustments to their opinion of such conversations. At least until more facts come along. All I am suggesting is that we deal with the facts instead of opinions. And thank you both for your thoughts. He had just celebrated his 21st B-day the month before he lost his life. Bottom line... He partied like we all do, did the right thing and was NOT driving. He was a passenger. Fought for his life for Five days in the ICU... Late next month marks the third year of his passing... Even if this test only end up saving one life when it is all said and done. In my mind it is worth it. I sure as heck would rather have my son alive and well than not...   It is also why I still Fold and Crunch. Anything I can do to help with my very limited resources is going to happen...
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
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I've seen a few of these around town and I just dont get it. Looks butt ugly to me but I guess its the new cool to have a ugly car.
Eh, to each their own I guess. I normally don't like cars that are styled in that fashion (hatchback almost wagon styles lol), but I saw one in person on the highway and absolutely loved it. My favorite vehicle (well, that's not ridiculously priced) is still a 3000GT (it's also what I drive, but if I were to buy a brand new vehicle, I'd definitely pick up a Velostar.
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
2012/12/24 09:28:17
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are toyota engines don't use CVT's on their transmissions?
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Re:Toyota Camry gets slammed in new crash test
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AB im sorry for the loss of your son and you know i hold you in the highest respects on these forums. having knowledge about the car you in saved my life when a semi rearended me on the highway one rainy morning. it took my evo8 to work instead of my fiberglass civic and it saved my life due to the testing of WRC cars and the build quality of them. i walked away with only a soar neck thanks to the car. pics for your shock and aww:   vs driving this i would have died for sure: 
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