bladexngt
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Hello, Does this graphics score seem a little low to you for a stock 3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid? I am really not able to OC too much due to a 750W power supply. When I ran the VF Curve Tuner, I got some really low values anyway: +85 GPU and +100 Mem. Timespy didn't even finish with this mild OC. So here is a picture of it stock. 
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/22 21:31:03
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That normal. There been few threads reporting same thing.
Its the 366W power limit power throttling the card.
Externally power the fans and flash a higher power bios like the KFA2 390W bios and youll get another 1000-1500 graphic points.
But with your PSU your probably better to wait until thats upgraded.
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/22 21:38:32
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That does seem a little low, my graphics score (just ran it) was 20,084 with the 3090 FE and no overclocking or anything adjusted (just installed it tonight).
What was the GPU temp during the run?
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 04:28:28
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 04:30:05
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Ah ok. For sure, I will be upgrading the psu first.
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 05:16:22
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bladexngt
Ah ok. For sure, I will be upgrading the psu first.
Probably a good starting point, especially since it didn't get anywhere close to thermally throttling. Do you have any way to see how much power you are drawing in total right now? You might be able to increase the total power to the card even with your current PSU (still would be a good idea to get a more powerful PSU in the long run though if you plan to push the card). Also if you want an EVGA PSU, you can get 10% off one if you use someone's code.
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 05:33:39
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Tried to use aida, but it doesn't give total. I have run cyberpunk with the gpu and cpu overclocked and the system restarted. I am guessing it was due to the psu not able to give enough power since my argbs reset to power on lighting.
I am going to get a new psu and case, maybe sometime next year. I can live without pushing it further for now. I was just expecting it to perform better than the FE.
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 05:43:40
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Verify your BIOS didn't set the pcie lane to x4 after installing the card. I had that issue. Required reseating/reinstalling the card.
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 05:45:27
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Sorry how do I do that? Just check in bios if it's 16x?
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 05:47:17
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Seems like hydroing the XC3 was a waste considering the power limit.
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 05:50:37
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Sorry how do I do that? Just check in bios if it's 16x?
Use GPUz and it will have a section called "Bus Interface" when you first open it. Ideally you want to see "PCIe x 16 3.0 @ x16". If you see @x4 or @x8 try reseating the card.
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 05:51:15
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 06:31:23
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I dont think upgrading your powersupply would do much or if anything at all. The issue is EVGA has locked the power limit on the xc3 cards ridiculously low so your performance is low due to that. I have my xc3 3080 with a waterblock on and the clocks are very unstable due to this. Increasing the power limit on MSI afterburner and Precision doesnt seem to do anything either
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 06:42:58
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one thing to try is disabling SMT on your CPU, because normal timespy doesn't always work well with CPU that have more than 16 cores (try timespy extreme however, and it'll do it well)
In terms of GPU score even the top score for your config is about ~20% above yours, top CPU score is a good ~80%, almost double your score, which could give a big boost to your score, even without messing with the 3090 itself.
They do also have higher power target bioses for the FTW3 cards, but sadly not the xc3 ones, so there might not be a ton you can do with boosting the card's performance.
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 07:11:32
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Any hope of a bios that maxes out the XC3? 2 8pins and the pci port should allow for a higher limit.
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 08:08:10
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Any hope of a bios that maxes out the XC3? 2 8pins and the pci port should allow for a higher limit.
We can only hope for it right now tbh. Maybe when the xc3 Hydro Coppers come out? who knows
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 08:21:47
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I'm thinking it's unlikely, 2 8 pins and the pcie would offer 375w power by default, and while you can push them a bit higher, I don't think EVGA would want to push it for the xc3 when there is the ftw3 and kingpin for that.
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 09:39:40
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bladexngt
Seems like hydroing the XC3 was a waste considering the power limit.
Yes and no, anything over 300w is enough to justify a hybrid, though the 240mm rad is overkill.
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 09:44:20
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Hello,
Does this graphics score seem a little low to you for a stock 3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid? I am really not able to OC too much due to a 750W power supply. When I ran the VF Curve Tuner, I got some really low values anyway: +85 GPU and +100 Mem. Timespy didn't even finish with this mild OC. So here is a picture of it stock.
You need to work on locking voltage to keep it from riding the power limit. Make sure you have free cool intake airflow, get the fans up over 1500 rpm, then use the curve editor to lock a voltage / freq point at 1.050V or below, then start increasing clocks while watching the power limit in X1 monitoring. As long as you can keep the card in the mid 40C's, it should clock up pretty good at lower voltage and power. If you want, you can move the rad fans to a motherboard header to free up some watts on the card.
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 11:44:46
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Still a bit of learning to do, but I'll look into this. I have a 360 in the front cooling the 3900x and then this 240 top mounted. If I move the fans to the mb, won't they respond to cpu or what ever instead of GPU? Not sure if this is a bad idea.
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 12:12:14
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bladexngt
Seems like hydroing the XC3 was a waste considering the power limit.
Yes and no, anything over 300w is enough to justify a hybrid, though the 240mm rad is overkill.
For the heat generated, the 360mm is better, IMO. Main reason I went from a couple of Hybrid 3090's to a couple of Kingpin 3090's.
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 14:24:50
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Got the fans at 1500, about 80%, but how do I lock the voltage? Drag the points down and keep them below 1.050 all the way to the right?
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 16:50:01
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vgerik1234
Use GPUz and it will have a section called "Bus Interface" when you first open it. Ideally you want to see "PCIe x 16 3.0 @ x16". If you see @x4 or @x8 try reseating the card.
Its at x16. Thanks.
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/23 17:14:48
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Couple of shots of the gpu metrics while running timespy extreme. Well they won't upload. Got one up.
post edited by bladexngt - 2020/12/23 17:27:45
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/25 19:37:05
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So, did some further testing and the reason I can't push my 3090 is due to the PSU. I disconnected a bunch of drives and accessories and I was able to push the clock and mem +200. I think I am going to be getting a new case and PSU. Looking at 1000W, but since they are quite long (180mm) they arent going to fit in my case.
Any advice on cases and PSU? I have a 3900x with a 360 rad and the 3090 hybrid with the 240 rad. I was looking into Phanteks A500A and Lian Li Dynamic/ Lancool II Mesh. It does have to fit 2 3.5 drives and 1 SSD.
Thanks!
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/25 20:02:05
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bladexngt
So, did some further testing and the reason I can't push my 3090 is due to the PSU. I disconnected a bunch of drives and accessories and I was able to push the clock and mem +200. I think I am going to be getting a new case and PSU. Looking at 1000W, but since they are quite long (180mm) they arent going to fit in my case.
Any advice on cases and PSU? I have a 3900x with a 360 rad and the 3090 hybrid with the 240 rad. I was looking into Phanteks A500A and Lian Li Dynamic/ Lancool II Mesh. It does have to fit 2 3.5 drives and 1 SSD.
Thanks!
If you are using an 850W you are absolutely fine. Even at stock using classified the most you are going to draw unless you are actually GOING to use LN2 for XOC is around 550-600W. Possibly might have an 850W that's not actually performing to 850W though?
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2020/12/26 03:22:34
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Actually, I have a 750W. It's not a highly rated one, so I would not be surprised if it's not pushing out power as advertised.
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
2021/01/22 21:13:28
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I have the same card, here are a couple of benchmarks I ran on my system.
Results @ 22:37 for timespy, but feel free to check out the full video for more benchmarks I ran.
Long story short,
TS score: 17,637
Graphics Score: 19,317
CPU score 11,815
My Timespy results was with stock settings. Its such an expensive card, I fear OCing it tbh. I have a Seasonic Titanium 1000W from a previous system using 2, 8 pin wires to connect to the card (just covering all the bases).
Funnily enough, its in x8 not x16. My x16 was blocked by my CLC360 tubing :(, so my Elgato 4k60 Pro Mk. II is enjoying the gold plated connection :-\
Its in the second PCIE slot instead. You win some you lose some. Found this post wondering about the 366/390w debate. Hope this helps!
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Re: Timespy Score -3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid
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Still more work to do on this bench . Should be higher . 
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