Scalpers aren't the problem. The people that buy from them are.
 
If people would let the scalpers eat the stock...it wouldn't be an issue.
 
But no, impatient people can't do that.
 

I agree with both of you, its scalpers and buyers that use scalpers. But also manufacture that allow scalpers to get cards. I see people on FB market place with 30 - 40 cards that they are selling, I think somehow they managed to get the card from the manufacture as a retailer.
Also keep in mind that the USA is a free market place, meaning demand increase the price or in other word the value is determined based on the need of the item. So yes the buyer from scalpers are benefiting the scalpers and negatively effect us the normal consumers.
The bigger problem in my opinion, is that manufactures have already increased their prices %10-%20, and that means that the next gen GPU will be more expensive. the same thing happened with the 10th Gen GPU and than the 20th Gen came out more expensive hint the 2080ti with minimal increase in performance it almost increased by %80 vs the 1080ti.
 
if we as the normal people can do something I'm all for that! 
 
 

Have you seen mining farms? Scalpers are a issue yes, but mining farms that write the bots to buy 1000s of GPU are the bigger problem. 
 

You can't enjoy capitalism achievements and at the same time blame it for consequences. Manufacturers are not supposed to combat scalping, their job is to produce GPUs.

Scalping has always existed. Its just hitting us hard because electronics are what is in demand right now.

Beanie babies were scalped at craaaaazy prices.

I've been able to get four 30 series cards. Luck and patience is what worked for me. These items are nothing needed to live off of so Im good. Now when we've fully over populated to the point we cant feed outselves which will happen, then you need to worry.

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kraade
Used pre LHR 3080s are going for 2k used because mining is still a thing, when ETh changes it might bring some relief but profitability is way down on ebay for the new cards , lots of 0 bids , but we need more .

There are plenty of other cryptocurrency algorithms that the LHR cards don't have an effect on.  So if ETH becomes unmineable after changes or if everyone only sells LHR cards, they will just switch to other currencies.

Nothing is as profitable as Ethereum. The few other tokens that are somewhat profitable now are only profitable because the difficulty is relatively low (because there's not a lot of GPU hash power on the other networks). If everyone jumps ship from Ethereum and onto the next coin, the difficulty for that coin will skyrocket and the profits will tank.
 
Something may yet come along that offers the profitability of Ethereum for all the miners currently mining Ethereum, but nothing could absorb Ethereum's hash power right now. 

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kraade
Used pre LHR 3080s are going for 2k used because mining is still a thing, when ETh changes it might bring some relief but profitability is way down on ebay for the new cards , lots of 0 bids , but we need more .

There are plenty of other cryptocurrency algorithms that the LHR cards don't have an effect on.  So if ETH becomes unmineable after changes or if everyone only sells LHR cards, they will just switch to other currencies.

Nothing is as profitable as Ethereum. The few other tokens that are somewhat profitable now are only profitable because the difficulty is relatively low (because there's not a lot of GPU hash power on the other networks). If everyone jumps ship from Ethereum and onto the next coin, the difficulty for that coin will skyrocket and the profits will tank.
 
Something may yet come along that offers the profitability of Ethereum for all the miners currently mining Ethereum, but nothing could absorb Ethereum's hash power right now. 

I hope you are right.
 
Governments have to be nervous about a few virtual monopoly companies being able to make these kind of insane profits. Right now crypto is fringe. But it is still 2.3 Trillion in value. Control over the money supply is shifting. We may be leaving a Petrodollar system unless profits from mining reduces.
 
Companies that are shielded from competition making 199 % profit margins on a consumer product will imbalance the market. Something has to happen, or a government has to step in.

ObscureEmpyre
This, but I’d take it a step further. GPU manufacturers have already taken a step towards curbing mining by introducing LHR cards. What they need to do is develop a card that isn’t capable of mining at all. Now, regardless of whether that means creating a mining-capable GPU and non-mining variant or just doing away with mining capability altogether, something more has to be done.

People have a knack for ingenuity and innovation, which can be a good thing. Repurposing GPUs for mining may have seemed ingenious, but it’s had its repercussions. It’s led to stressing power grids in some parts of the world, and its alienated GPU core audiences. Of course, GPU companies don’t care. They’re getting the money for the cards one way or another. That’s capitalism in a nutshell. Want a GPU at a fair price? Stop buying from scalpers.

As far as mining altogether is concerned, I wish people would come up with new technology for it. Then again, production of any electronics technology is currently constrained. Bottom line: unless supply ever again meets demand, enjoy the <expletive> show.

Agreed. Not only the GPU market but other industries have been affected too like you mentioned with the power grid overload. 
A good new for us gamers is that Nvidia has already announced a dedicated GPU for miners, I think it's called CMP HX series. The bad news, it won't be available anytime soon.  Another topic of debate would be if the miners would what it move their current setup and mining practices. 
I like the idea for cards that don't have any mining capabilities at all, but again this doesn't seem possible looking at the core chip shortage.

kraade
 
Its been said the Eth would move from PoW to PoS in October of this year , we shall see . also people are stupid so who knows , I watch Ebay daily and picked up 2 3080s and a Kingpin block I know they took a loss on , I guess just needed to get them gone I guess unless they were one of the elite spinners. The other thing that might be fueling this is the independent builders who are passing inflated costs on to their customers, but it does see far from over for now. The prices on the NE Scruffle amaze me, they are higher than ebay yet lined up everyday.

 
It has been confirmed by the Ethereum devs that ETH 2.0 (AKA going PoS) is NOT going to happen in 2021. They said a while ago that if they couldn't switch before the holiday season then they would push the switch into 2022, which is exactly what ended up happening. They have been pushing back the switch for years. Maybe they are getting close... maybe they aren't. If I had money to put on it (and indirectly I do) I'd say they don't hit that Q1 2022 target, either. 

rawalshree
 

ObscureEmpyre
This, but I’d take it a step further. GPU manufacturers have already taken a step towards curbing mining by introducing LHR cards. What they need to do is develop a card that isn’t capable of mining at all. Now, regardless of whether that means creating a mining-capable GPU and non-mining variant or just doing away with mining capability altogether, something more has to be done.

People have a knack for ingenuity and innovation, which can be a good thing. Repurposing GPUs for mining may have seemed ingenious, but it’s had its repercussions. It’s led to stressing power grids in some parts of the world, and its alienated GPU core audiences. Of course, GPU companies don’t care. They’re getting the money for the cards one way or another. That’s capitalism in a nutshell. Want a GPU at a fair price? Stop buying from scalpers.

As far as mining altogether is concerned, I wish people would come up with new technology for it. Then again, production of any electronics technology is currently constrained. Bottom line: unless supply ever again meets demand, enjoy the <expletive> show.

Agreed. Not only the GPU market but other industries have been affected too like you mentioned with the power grid overload. 
A good new for us gamers is that Nvidia has already announced a dedicated GPU for miners, I think it's called CMP HX series. The bad news, it won't be available anytime soon.  Another topic of debate would be if the miners would what it move their current setup and mining practices. 
I like the idea for cards that don't have any mining capabilities at all, but again this doesn't seem possible looking at the core chip shortage.

There are some major issues with the CMP card release. Let me see where to even start.
 
First, CMP cards are NOT good for gamers, and I don't mean that the cards themselves aren't good for gaming on. I mean they don't do much for getting GPUs into your hands. Why? Well because no one wants them. I mean some people might buy them to supplement their farms, but if given the choice they'd take a full-feature GPU any day of the week. The CMP cards are just junk that couldn't cut it as a gaming GPU that they then build without video outputs. There is no mining optimization done, nothing done to reduce power draw, nothing that increases hash rate. Just crappy cards that are sold for MORE than those cards can be had by miners as full-featured GPUs. Oh and the real kick in the pants? Have you seen these CMP cards for sale? Yeah, with very few exceptions, neither have I. These are not being sold to small to medium scale miners. The only people these are even available to are the huge mega farms.
 
Second, CMP cards are junk once they aren't viable for mining for whatever reason. This means that if CMP were to be embraced by the mining community, once they were no longer profitable they go in the garbage can, NOT into the hands of gamers at fantastic prices. This is bad for the environment, bad for gamers and bad for miners. Miners factor in the ability to resale cards once they are no longer making money on them. Before you say anything about mining destroying cards, do a little research, it isn't true.
 
Third, you're making the assumption that there are two separate groups, miners and gamers. That is completely incorrect. Many if not most small to medium miners are gamers. That is exactly what got a lot of these people into mining in the first place. The LHR thing is hurting gamers. If you want to game and then mine part time then this is hurting you. This isn't hurting the bigger mining farms. This is hurting the people who are both miners and gamers. This is also possibly hurting people who use GPUs for research as it is possible that this will limit the algorithms they can use as their use could easily look like mining to an LHR system.
 
Anyway, I think it is fair to say that the LHR thing once again hurts the little guy, doesn't do what it claims to do and doesn't slow the big boys down even a little bit.

jaredbyoung
First, CMP cards are NOT good for gamers, and I don't mean that the cards themselves aren't good for gaming on. I mean they don't do much for getting GPUs into your hands. Why? Well because no one wants them. I mean some people might buy them to supplement their farms, but if given the choice they'd take a full-feature GPU any day of the week. The CMP cards are just junk that couldn't cut it as a gaming GPU that they then build without video outputs. There is no mining optimization done, nothing done to reduce power draw, nothing that increases hash rate. Just crappy cards that are sold for MORE than those cards can be had by miners as full-featured GPUs. Oh and the real kick in the pants? Have you seen these CMP cards for sale? Yeah, with very few exceptions, neither have I. These are not being sold to small to medium scale miners. The only people these are even available to are the huge mega farms.
 
Second, CMP cards are junk once they aren't viable for mining for whatever reason. This means that if CMP were to be embraced by the mining community, once they were no longer profitable they go in the garbage can, NOT into the hands of gamers at fantastic prices. This is bad for the environment, bad for gamers and bad for miners. Miners factor in the ability to resale cards once they are no longer making money on them. Before you say anything about mining destroying cards, do a little research, it isn't true.
 
Third, you're making the assumption that there are two separate groups, miners and gamers. That is completely incorrect. Many if not most small to medium miners are gamers. That is exactly what got a lot of these people into mining in the first place. The LHR thing is hurting gamers. If you want to game and then mine part time then this is hurting you. This isn't hurting the bigger mining farms. This is hurting the people who are both miners and gamers. This is also possibly hurting people who use GPUs for research as it is possible that this will limit the algorithms they can use as their use could easily look like mining to an LHR system.
 
Anyway, I think it is fair to say that the LHR thing once again hurts the little guy, doesn't do what it claims to do and doesn't slow the big boys down even a little bit.

I don't think anyone here said miners are destroying cards. The discussion here is about, most of the gamers who only wants a single card aren't able to get even that because of miners and scalpers. 
 
When you say many miners are gamers, Although that might be true. It still doesn't change the fact that they need more GPU for mining rather than gaming. So it's not Apples to Apples comparison. The reason I say this is because most gamers like me here need only one cards for their PC, but a miner, irrespective of whether they are gamer or not, need way more cards. 
 
There might be some issues with current CMP cards but over time they'll get better. 

rawalshree most of the gamers who only wants a single card aren't able to get even that because of miners and scalpers. 
 

The people who can't get a card are dumb and don't know what they are doing.  Cards do come up through the usual channels.  You can buy a 3080 Ti FTW3 on Stock-X for under $1800 and recoup part of the card cost by mining at $6-7 per day.

kevinc313
The people who can't get a card are dumb and don't know what they are doing.  Cards do come up through the usual channels.  You can buy a 3080 Ti FTW3 on Stock-X for under $1800 and recoup part of the card cost by mining at $6-7 per day.

Of course big guy. I'm pretty sure you know everything about all things. Kudos to you. 
 
I'm not interested in Mining and neither will I buy any overpriced cards from Stock-X. You can enjoy all the cards from there, I don't care a bit. If it's so easy then why don't all the miners go buy from there, why hog up the MSRP cards from website like EVGA.
 

Bots go ahead and deflect from what is the circumstance

kevinc313
If you don't want to buy from a scalper/reseller, you can check your local Facebook marketplace, Craigslist or Reddit hardware swap to find virtually any used card, it will be at market value but less than ebay or stock-x.  If you're not picky, you can enter Newegg Shuffle every day for a month or so, you'll eventually get picked for a marginal deal.  Or you can camp BB or MC if you want a straight card at MSRP.  All these things are what the small time miners are doing to get Nvidia cards.  There are AMD 6700XT's and 6900XT's all over the place, but spendy.

Yeah I've been trying all over those places, but still no luck. I want to buy a 3090 ultra, and most listing I see on FB marketplace has a price of like $2700 or $2800, which is absurdly high. Not interested in AMD cards TBH, also for Newegg shuffles been doing that and haven't been selected so far. 
 
Most of the cards for Newegg shuffles have Gigabyte cards which are not that great with customer service TBH so not inclined in any way to buy them even if I get selected. Not worth the hassle of dealing with their customer support in case I have anu issue with the card.

kevinc313
Yeah 3090's are pretty much out of reach at this point because they sell for at least 20% more than a non-LHR 3080.  If you don't care about mining payback and want a top tier card, I can recommend this:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0966YJGLTquote
Spendy, but a top performer for sure and tons of potential with the hybrid cooler.
https://youtu.be/vWXGJZ59rd8?t=599

Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check it out.