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Re:The Twin's are in...
Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:29 PM
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Um no, this applies to cpus also. The voltage varies between cards because of the differences in quality of the cores. Nvidia cards have been like this for awhile now.
The bios determines the voltage. Two cards with the same bios aren't going to have different voltages.
You don't know what you're talking about.
No the bios determine the voltage range, the asic determines the default voltage for the card at said clock speed. Go do some research and you might be surprised.
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:07 PM
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I don't know why I'm bothering, but let me show you whats going on inside of a typical 560Ti bios that I just opened with NiBiTor. You can clearly see the different voltages is uses for low power mode/full power, etc. Any 560Ti that uses this bios will have these voltages applied by default, unless they are altered by software that can adjust it at it's low level, like Precision, Afterburner, etc. 
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 0:36 PM
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Can you explain the reason for backplates? People always get excited about them, are they just for looking sexy?
They do look nice.. gotta give you that.
I personally just like the look and that's why I want to do this, but since I am not into the whole modding of the GPU (yet!) I do not know the real "reason" Can not someone else answer this, because I'd like to know if there are any Thermal reasons?
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 0:38 PM
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Very nice 
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 2:38 AM
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I don't know why I'm bothering, but let me show you whats going on inside of a typical 560Ti bios that I just opened with NiBiTor.
You can clearly see the different voltages is uses for low power mode/full power, etc.
Any 560Ti that uses this bios will have these voltages applied by default, unless they are altered by software that can adjust it at it's low level, like Precision, Afterburner, etc.
Exactly, do you notice how setting 2 is defined by a range unlike the others? The actual voltage is determined by the asic. Look at (go to techpowerup vga bios database it wont let me hot link) scroll down and look at performance level 3 and read what it says by voltage, again notice how its defined by a range. Its like this for all nvidia cards. By your logic then there must be 3 different bios revisions for 1.013v, 1.025v and 1.038v for a card thats been out for less than a week one ? Well there isnt, its all the same bios. Different chips need different voltages and its determined by the asic.
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 2:49 AM
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How do you think one of these will do over a regular 560 Ti?
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 4:49 AM
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Now i wanna buy a GTX 560 TI Classified. I'll get another one maybe after New Years and go SLi.
I wish you shown us a video or step by step how you took those apart and applied the backplate. Did the backplate decrease temps better? Especially in SLi?
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 5:01 AM
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Exactly, do you notice how setting 2 is defined by a range unlike the others? The actual voltage is determined by the asic. Look at (go to techpowerup vga bios database it wont let me hot link) scroll down and look at performance level 3 and read what it says by voltage, again notice how its defined by a range. Its like this for all nvidia cards.
By your logic then there must be 3 different bios revisions for 1.013v, 1.025v and 1.038v for a card thats been out for less than a week one ? Well there isnt, its all the same bios. Different chips need different voltages and its determined by the asic.
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 6:09 AM
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Wow nice little mod to those back plates! 
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:52 AM
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I have to say those gpus look great and also nice idea about the nailpolish to remove the logo's :) i might try this at one point. Branding is great and all, but the simpler the better IMO.
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 12:07 AM
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I just got mine as well. I <3 the white EVGA led.
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 5:59 PM
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just curious I really like what u did with your backplates with the rubbing alcohol and stuff and was wondering would the 580 backplates fit on MSI's xtreme lightning cards I assume there reference except the cooler I'd just rub away the evga part another thing... I assumed u did research the 480 bp's were the ones that fit correctly on the " 570gts" I mean 560ti 448
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 6:53 PM
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SirWaWa
just curious
I really like what u did with your backplates with the rubbing alcohol and stuff and was wondering
would the 580 backplates fit on MSI's xtreme lightning cards
I assume there reference except the cooler
I'd just rub away the evga part
another thing... I assumed u did research
the 480 bp's were the ones that fit correctly on the "570gts" I mean 560ti 448
Yes, Jacob stated the 480 plates would work so I ordered them. I was prepared and knew up front that I would probably have to figure out a way to mount them since the 480 and the 560Ti Classy's use different coolers. As for the MSI, it was my understanding that those boards are completely different so a backplate designed for a reference board won't fit.
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 6:58 PM
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From gathering info here and on other forums, the GTX 480, 580, and 560ti 448 classy are all using virtually the same pcb, the holes all look the same. GTX 480 top, 580 middle, 560ti448 classified bottom   I'm also not seeing the GTX480 backplate for sale from eVGA anymore
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 7:17 PM
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Yes, Jacob stated the 480 plates would work so I ordered them.
I should have ordered one while I could. Now I have to hope that the 580 backplate will fit. I'm pretty sure it will. 580 backplate/560Ti 448 classy 
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 7:30 PM
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Is it just me or did EVGA pull the GTX 480 Back plate from their site? I had bookmarked the page so I could buy one later and now it doesn't load anymore. Also manually looking around on the site doesn't show them anymore. EDIT: Woops that's what I get for not looking a few posts up LOL! Please let me know if the 580 fit. Or what about the 580 Classified Back Plates even? If anyone from EVGA reads this could you please let us know? Or maybe there is one coming out for the 560Ti 448 Classy?
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 7:46 PM
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Please let me know if the 580 fit. Or what about the 580 Classified Back Plates even?
If I buy one I will definitely let you know how it fits. As for the 580 Classy backplate, it won't fit. The pcb on that card is freaking gorgeous though.. 
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:39 PM
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Yes, Jacob stated the 480 plates would work so I ordered them.
I should have ordered one while I could. Now I have to hope that the 580 backplate will fit. I'm pretty sure it will.
580 backplate/560Ti 448 classy
The only problem I see with using a 580 plate is that the three points I used to secure the plate to the Classy don't look to be available. Here are the points I used in red:  As you can see, the two on the right of the plate are not there and the 580 plate. Now perhaps you can use the one that are in the middle/top right, but I think you'll run into interference from the heatsink with that one. You could also perhaps use the four around the GPU, as long as the hardware is long enough and doesn't cause problems when you reattach it. Just a heads up. It is probably possible, but it will definitely be more work.
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:57 PM
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remember guys
when your mounting the backplate the bp screenshot is correct while the pcb shot u have to flip it upside down (gpu is face down)
whatever holes u are looking at it, look at the opposite ones (hint: look at the sli connector and the space reserved for it)
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Sunday, December 04, 2011 9:02 PM
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How loud are the dual fans? The 560 Ti fans >60% were quite loud.
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Monday, December 05, 2011 0:33 PM
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Please let me know if the 580 fit. Or what about the 580 Classified Back Plates even?
If I buy one I will definitely let you know how it fits.
As for the 580 Classy backplate, it won't fit. The pcb on that card is freaking gorgeous though..
Yeah that is a sexy PCB...and please do. It looks as though enough may line up, but true different hardware might be needed. I think I will contact EVGA this coming week and see what they can suggest.
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 5:59 PM
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Exactly, do you notice how setting 2 is defined by a range unlike the others? The actual voltage is determined by the asic. Look at (go to techpowerup vga bios database it wont let me hot link) scroll down and look at performance level 3 and read what it says by voltage, again notice how its defined by a range. Its like this for all nvidia cards.
By your logic then there must be 3 different bios revisions for 1.013v, 1.025v and 1.038v for a card thats been out for less than a week one ? Well there isnt, its all the same bios. Different chips need different voltages and its determined by the asic.
Keep on trollin'!
You're completely wrong and nagle is completely right. BIOS allows you to control the hardware. It's a software interface for the hardware on the board. No two chips are the same, it's part of the lithography process. Thus, each chip will need a slightly different voltage. That's why we've seen 560ti's with vid's of 1.013, 1.038, 1.050, and now 1.075. The lower the vid, the 'higher' the bin of the part, and usually the better it will overclock.
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:43 PM
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You're completely wrong and nagle is completely right. BIOS allows you to control the hardware. It's a software interface for the hardware on the board. If I took the bios from Kody's classified, and flashed my card with it, my card would run at the same default voltage as his. Do you refute this?
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Thursday, December 08, 2011 0:46 PM
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Love those back plates and that set up so as well, so I'm sending that third card back to newegg and just go 2-way SLI. I found some 480 back plates on eBay for @$25.00 free shipping, I think there 8 left. I'm going to have a buddy of mine make me some 560 ti classified stickers to fit that space. I'll have extra made if anyone needs some, let me know if interested. I'll let you guys know when I get them & post pictures.
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Thursday, December 08, 2011 8:15 AM
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Since you own the classified. Can you please tell me what drivers did you use to play games with? I wanted to be sure what i need to download before installing drivers. I also notice it needs a 8 pin? Can't i use a 2 six pin pci e connector or what is the difference there?
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:56 AM
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The latest drivers nVidia released work good(290.36), there hasn't been a lot of complaints on various forums about them. As far as the plugs an the Classified, you have to use the 8 pin plug. If your ps doesn't have one, they give you an adapter with the card.
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Thursday, December 08, 2011 12:20 AM
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Since you own the classified. Can you please tell me what drivers did you use to play games with? I wanted to be sure what i need to download before installing drivers. I also notice it needs a 8 pin? Can't i use a 2 six pin pci e connector or what is the difference there?
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:14 PM
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If I took the bios from Kody's classified, and flashed my card with it, my card would run at the same default voltage as his. Do you refute this?
Flashing bios also flashes the ASIC. The ASIC has the table that is used to determine the hardware presets within the allowable ranges of the bios. Also, yes I completely refute that. EVGA sets specific cards to specific VID's because that's the voltage the GPU passed their stress tests at. You may think you're stable, but you're not.
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Re:The Twin's are in...
Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:17 PM
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Ive been thinking about upgrading to the 560's for awhile, and this just makes me want to do it more! great idea with the backplates
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