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2019/02/09 10:16:49 (permalink)
Why is this comment posted all over the EVGA Forums?
"The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good."
Where is the Prof that EVGA Graphics Cards with Micron Memory are Bad?
All 4 of my EVGA Cards have Micron Memory and I have not seen as single issue with them.
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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/02/09 10:53:51 (permalink)
    From what I have seen people talking (rando's on the Internets) it is just the GDDR6 that was used on the RTX 2080ti's from nVidia
    Looks like there might have been a bad batch and they degrade over time- especially if you are doing heavy memory OCing
     
    https://www.google.com/se...0+ti+Bad+Micron+Memory


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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/02/09 11:16:08 (permalink)
    Micron and Samsung memory were tested by NVIDIA as far as I am aware. Both meet the standards NVIDIA needs. However in all fairness from all of the forum posts I have read Samsung memory seems to have a higher overclock capability than micron.

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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/02/09 11:18:53 (permalink)
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    Micron and Samsung memory were tested by NVIDIA as far as I am aware. Both meet the standards NVIDIA needs. However in all fairness from all of the forum posts I have read Samsung memory seems to have a higher overclock capability than micron.

    Being able to Overclock Higher on one does not make the other BAD or prone to Failures.
    If members had been posting that you can overclock Samsung Memory Higher than Micron Memory that would not be an issue as just saying the Micron Memory is just bad.
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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/02/09 11:34:44 (permalink)
    I gathered it was just a higher failure over time from the micron over the samsung - failures that were happening way faster then they should have.
    Under stock loads sure they might have been fine but when pushing higher voltages and clocks they started to fall apart
     
    Meaning that yes, under base conditions they met the requirements but did not leave much headroom


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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/02/09 11:45:09 (permalink)
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    Micron and Samsung memory were tested by NVIDIA as far as I am aware. Both meet the standards NVIDIA needs. However in all fairness from all of the forum posts I have read Samsung memory seems to have a higher overclock capability than micron.

    Being able to Overclock Higher on one does not make the other BAD or prone to Failures.
    If members had been posting that you can overclock Samsung Memory Higher than Micron Memory that would not be an issue as just saying the Micron Memory is just bad.


    I didn't say Micro was prone to failure. As far as I am aware there is no known issues with Micron memory. However if someone had two RTX 2080ti video cards and wanted to give me one of them I would be more willing to choose the one with Samsung memory should one have Samsung memory and the other micron memory.

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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/02/09 12:00:48 (permalink)
    Up to each person to decide how much they want to read into this.
     

     
     
    As I watched this I was also doing the "You can see what memory is on the card with GPU-Z you dolt" in my head


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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/02/09 13:24:17 (permalink)
    Mine has Micron Memory and is solid so far...

    I do not overclock it tho.
     

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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/02/09 13:57:13 (permalink)
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    Up to each person to decide how much they want to read into this.
     

     
     
    As I watched this I was also doing the "You can see what memory is on the card with GPU-Z you dolt" in my head


    I do recall that but it was only the Founders  Cord, at lest that is what I have read.
    Thanks
     
    I cannot believe he installed that card with Power on the Motherboard
     
    I guess being on a custom water loop is saving my Cards, I have them running +600 on the Memory running 24/7 ATM.
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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/02/09 14:14:12 (permalink)
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    Micron and Samsung memory were tested by NVIDIA as far as I am aware. Both meet the standards NVIDIA needs. However in all fairness from all of the forum posts I have read Samsung memory seems to have a higher overclock capability than micron.

    Being able to Overclock Higher on one does not make the other BAD or prone to Failures.
    If members had been posting that you can overclock Samsung Memory Higher than Micron Memory that would not be an issue as just saying the Micron Memory is just bad.


    I didn't say Micro was prone to failure. As far as I am aware there is no known issues with Micron memory. However if someone had two RTX 2080ti video cards and wanted to give me one of them I would be more willing to choose the one with Samsung memory should one have Samsung memory and the other micron memory.


    Yes I know, it is more about what others are posting.

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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/02/09 20:55:18 (permalink)
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    Why is this comment posted all over the EVGA Forums?
    "The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good."
    Where is the Prof that EVGA Graphics Cards with Micron Memory are Bad?
    All 4 of my EVGA Cards have Micron Memory and I have not seen as single issue with them.


    There is no proof.  It's the internet, somebody makes a post, 10,000 people read it and assume since somebody said it on the internet it must be true.  The only people that would/could have proof would be Nvidia and their partners who have data on actual failure rates.  I mean hell, there was a time when everybody knew the world was flat LOL.
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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/02/09 21:48:18 (permalink)
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    Micron and Samsung memory were tested by NVIDIA as far as I am aware. Both meet the standards NVIDIA needs. However in all fairness from all of the forum posts I have read Samsung memory seems to have a higher overclock capability than micron.


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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/02/10 00:34:21 (permalink)
    Micron Memory is not bad at all. Maybe sometimes OC less than Samsung.
    I have Micron on Poseidon, NVIDIA have Micron on TITAN series as well.
    They would not use on premium GPU something bad.
     

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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/02/10 07:37:23 (permalink)
    There is at least one person on this forum who feels sure that Micron memory is bad. I asked him to provide proof. So far, he has not come here and provided proof.

    https://forums.evga.com/2...ifacting-m2919395.aspx

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    Oh, I am sorry. Samsung memory is 100% reliable and will last forever. Of course.

    The reason you saw so much talk about cards with Micron memory failing is because 100% of the cards had Micron memory.
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    This seems like a good place to provide proof for either claim:

    https://forums.evga.com/T...-is-good-m2919525.aspx

    So far, I have not seen proof that Micron memory is better or worse than Samsung memory in regards to this artifacting issue. All I know is that 100% of the initial cards had Micron memory and therefore it's easy to claim that the Micron memory was the culprit; even though there is no proof (that I know of) that the memory was the cause of the artifacting. I think someone would need to have an artifacting card, desolder the memory and solder on new memory, and prove that the artifacting was solved by doing so. Has anyone done that and published the results? For all I know, it could have been a GPU core issue, a firmware issue, a voltage controller issue, a PCB trace issue, or any other source of interference and corruption.




    You reference a series of posts that provide no actual evidence that the micron memory is not the issue and furthermore no one has provided any information on cards with Samsung memory issues.

    Like I said, feel free to post there with proof. After all, that is the purpose of that thread.

    No proof that Micron memory is NOT the issue, is NOT proof that Micron memory IS the issue. Again, 100% of the cards had Micron memory, so you are falling into a statistical trap. Proof is not opinion. Feel free to provide proof. I don't think proof exists either way. Without proof, the statement should be left unsaid.

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    None of the threads you provided prove that the initial batch of artifacting RTX cards were caused by Micron, or not caused by Micron, or were caused by Samsung, or not caused by Samsung, or were caused by NVIDIA, or not caused by NVIDIA, or were caused by aliens, or not caused by aliens.
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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/02/10 07:58:32 (permalink)
    And why I posted this in that other Thread.
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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/04/04 02:00:45 (permalink)
    I have the 2060 black edition and it has Micron and works fine and i dont overclock. I saw that many people reported having problems with Micron and 2080 model butg it might not apply to the 2060.
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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/04/04 06:54:01 (permalink)
    Well I seem to be doing fine with my overclocked EVGA 1070Ti FTW card with its Micron memory, got it running like a 1080 right now and rock solid all around.
    So yes this is a whole bunch of lies from my perspective, sure there is always margin of error and YMMV but meh.
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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/04/04 07:04:11 (permalink)
    I started OC'ing my Micron...works flawlessly ...
     
    I still say It's anecdotal on the whole "micron is bad" garbage.
     
    Anyone with a card that works usually doesn't come and post about it.
     
     

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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/04/04 07:06:32 (permalink)
    Well to be fair mistakes do happen and yes perhaps at one time microns quality control wasnt as solid.
    But it must be a non issue or so minimal its not worth mentioning by now


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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/04/04 13:26:46 (permalink)
    This all started during the Pascal era when reviewers discovered that ASUS was shipping their Nvidia GPU based cards with two memory types. The negative feedback regarding Micron surfaced when it was discovered that ASUS released the Strix to reviewers with Samsung memory which overclocked significantly higher when compared to its Micron counterpart, presumably to ensure outstanding performance benchmarks. The Samsung models achieved anywhere between 1000Mhz and 1300Mhz whereas Micron models could only muster 400Mhz above stock.
     
    A VBIOS update resolved the issue by allowing the Micron memory to close the gap, boosting overclock capability to 900Mhz and even 1000Mhz.
     
    Micron memory is not bad. They faltered and I believe since then many internet patrons who are still unable to define the term research have been spreading suppositions based on this ancient fable.
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    Re: The Micron Memory is bad. The Samsung Memory is good. 2019/04/04 13:42:40 (permalink)
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    This all started during the Pascal era when reviewers discovered that ASUS was shipping their Nvidia GPU based cards with two memory types. The negative feedback regarding Micron surfaced when it was discovered that ASUS released the Strix to reviewers with Samsung memory which overclocked significantly higher when compared to its Micron counterpart, presumably to ensure outstanding performance benchmarks. The Samsung models achieved anywhere between 1000Mhz and 1300Mhz whereas Micron models could only muster 400Mhz above stock.
     
    A VBIOS update resolved the issue by allowing the Micron memory to close the gap, boosting overclock capability to 900Mhz and even 1000Mhz.
     
    Micron memory is not bad. They faltered and I believe since then many internet patrons who are still unable to define the term research have been spreading suppositions based on this ancient fable.




    I think I remember the Strix issue from a few years ago....thanks for the reminder...I had forgotten
     

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