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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/13 14:48:43 (permalink)
You need to find the AMD AthlonXP-M 2500+ Barton. Even to this day still considered one of the best overclocking CPUs ever made. Have to give uge props for the all retro rigs even now to the quality old PSU. Pretty sweet.
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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/13 19:27:48 (permalink)
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You need to find the AMD AthlonXP-M 2500+ Barton. Even to this day still considered one of the best overclocking CPUs ever made. Have to give uge props for the all retro rigs even now to the quality old PSU. Pretty sweet.


 
Not compliant with my board, Bartons will most  certainly damage this mainboard, all due to major incompatibility reasons due to the larger L2 cache of 512KB and different CPU voltages, there were other reasons as well as what other 8K7A+ users & owners told  me.
Also if using Bartons the VRM's as well as the Mosfets will get damaged.
 
At x-3dfx and Voodooalert we have plenty members that had very bad experiences with Bartons when it came to the elegant yet very rare and hard to find EPoX EP-8K7A+.
As a user of rare hardware, to OC  an 18 to 20 year old system would be considered as unwise, thereby being a stupid idea, no offense, but it's true.
 
If you do that your hardware of this age, it won't last long, it's too old for things to go wrong and I have seen too much go wrong, because of such silly things, people think they know ebtter yet in the end their hardware fails and that is just loss to me.

Best Barton ever made was the AthlonXP-M 2600+ these OCed to well over 2.4 a 2.6Ghz but then again this won't increase their lifespan.
So it's a worthless and pointless idea to me, defect retro hardware of this rarity is almost irreplaceable...

As co-owner of the official x-3dfx community & as ex-3dfx Engineering Sample user & tester, I certainly do know what is best for my systems, so there  is no need to advise me things, it's all known territory for me
Here my thread at Voodooalert which proves why that using Bartons in the EPox EP-8K7A+ is simply a bad plan:
https://www.voodooalert.d...stID=454688#post454688

Anyways thanks for replying to my thread
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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/14 02:04:15 (permalink)
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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/14 02:21:55 (permalink)
Many thanks for the cleanup, it was needed.

Once the sound card arrives I will built it in, plus I found a nice stack of classic games some of you might remember them :)
Alongside  Star Wars: Dark Foirces II: Jedi Knight + Mysteries of the Sith
I have all of these as well:

Descent 3: Retribution + Mercenary
Freespace2 + Dimension Pack
Wing Commander IV: The Price of Freedom
Wing Commandeer V: Prophecy
Half-Life + Opposing Force & Blueshift
Unreal + Return to Na Pali with patch 2.25f (best patch for 3dfx glide cards)
Unreal Tournament Game of the Year Edition 1999
Microrpose Falcon 4.0 + Free Falcon 3.2
SSI Flanker 2.0 + 2.51 3dfx Voodoo3 patch
Star Wars X-Wing versus Tie-Fighter + Balance of Power
Star Wars: Episode I: Racer
Quake II + Dissolution of Eternity & Ground Zero

Yeah some nice classics there, this system will be reborn completely


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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/14 09:02:22 (permalink)
Yeah i'm sorry I went off way half cocked and taking my problems out on others. I'm sorry directly to Gold Leader. I'm sorry man. But I did mean the 2600 and I know its not the best idea to overclock retro hardware I was just jokeing. Again sorry.

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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/14 09:11:29 (permalink)
Apology accepted.

But as said, I didn't read it as a joke, but a poorly placed and misunderstood comment, even it didn't make much sense to me anyway. nor the x-3dfx community that also reads my threads here.
 


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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/14 10:46:28 (permalink)
Non of the pics are loading for me. Are they set to private?

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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/14 10:50:29 (permalink)
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Non of the pics are loading for me. Are they set to private?


I can see all the pics in this thread

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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/14 11:58:52 (permalink)
Pics are not private, might be your anti virus or add blocker maybe?

So far I always used abload.de for my albums, but they may just take a time to load in, all depending on your internet connection maybe?
Sorry for the inconvenience tho :X


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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/14 12:47:12 (permalink)
Very odd. I've tried both Chrome and Edge and no image loads. When I click on the link it gives me this:

 
I don't have adblocker running, antivirus is only Windows Defender and I've paused it. Images don't show on my iPad or iPhone either. My internet should have no issues loading anything considering I have over 900Mb bandwidth

 
I'm pretty sure it's something on whatever hosting site you're using. As I said it's not my connection or settings on my PC as none of my mobile devices load any images either. 

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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/14 14:04:07 (permalink)
hmm very strange man, I use Mozilla Waterfox and I have no issues.
Yet Chrome gave me very odd issues in the past, I stopped using it and moved over to Mozilla Waterfox instead, I also use Win7 Pro UK + SP1
Overall it never gave me any unwanted issues, so maybe trying an other web browser an idea?

Even that you're a first actually, everyone that reads and replies in my threads never has issues, personally I think it's either Google Chrome or Win 10 Being weird.
Chrome was like spyware for me as well, Mozilla Waterfox never gives me issues, Many Linux users I know also use Waterfox over Chrome, it's less troublesome and it gets the job done.

As for abload.de it's the best free online gallery host site here in the EU, it's used by thousands of people, mainly collectors use it, it's a great place.
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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/14 16:17:45 (permalink)
As I said both my mobile devices don't load the images either. Neither my iPad or iPhone will load the images using Safari. 

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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/14 16:36:09 (permalink)
You seem to be alone then?
Just use a PC with Windows OS and Waterfox, or maybe Hackintosh,or Linux KDE? Something that is more practical of design and function over weird looks.
And if a site that isn't compatible with your system then it's definitely a problem with your system's operating system's limitations, or incompatibilities..

It has nothing to do with the image upload site I used that is named abload.de, which is a Germany based image upload site that is used by thousands worldwide, not only in the EU.
Everywhere where I make my topics, 2CPU, x-3dfx, Voodooalert, EVGA & DA.C Forums, everyone that ever posted in my threads or just read them, they all could see my pics.
As for the EVGA community it's self, I been here since 2009 and never had a single problem of my pics not showing, sorry man can't be much of aid for that part.

And to be very honest, I actually never used Apple's hardware, it's far too overpriced, it's too impractical, everything I do with my systems isn't supported with an Apple based setup n anyway or left alone it's OS.
So as that goes it's not my problem, it's really on your end only, everyone else that read and posted in my thread sees my pics just fine 


But anyways it may be best you make a topic about this elsewhere since it's kind of causing unwanted clutter in my thread.
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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/14 16:57:50 (permalink)
 
I see the images just fine. Can we just move on from that?     ;)

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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/14 16:59:33 (permalink)
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I see the images just fine. Can we just move on from that?     ;)

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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/14 17:34:42 (permalink)
Yeah we can go on thanks for the confirmation even I was going through everything but eventually didn't find a thing hah xD

At the moment I am going to wait on getting that Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro
Also I found some nice gold plated Roland Midi cables, which are these:
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Roland-RMIDI-G15-4-5m-Midi-Cable-Gold-Series/233080480747

With those I can connect my 1995 Roland E-14 to the  Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro's external IO Drive and use the synthesizer of the soundcard with the E-14.
 
Just willing to try new methods when using retro hardware, when it comes to class A sound boards of it's time.


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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/15 12:52:52 (permalink)
Just added this system to my MODS RIGS systems collection :)
https://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?BuildID=40753

Pics will change due to the Audigy 2 ZS platinum Pro upcoming plus the two gold plated Roland Midi cables for my 1995 Roland E-14 Keyboard.


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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/15 17:29:32 (permalink)
Nice system man, I've got a KT600 system I need to get up and running, have the bits just need to get it loaded lol.  I had an old KT266A Soyo Dragon Plus board back in 2001 so I got the updated KT600 version since it is a bit hard to find good boards that are not toast at this point.  The 266 had the dreaded bad caps, I recapped it but I guess it had other issues so I threw it out quite a long time ago now.
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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/15 18:09:24 (permalink)
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Nice system man, I've got a KT600 system I need to get up and running, have the bits just need to get it loaded lol.  I had an old KT266A Soyo Dragon Plus board back in 2001 so I got the updated KT600 version since it is a bit hard to find good boards that are not toast at this point.  The 266 had the dreaded bad caps, I recapped it but I guess it had other issues so I threw it out quite a long time ago now.



Many thanks, that are some rare boards you have there though!

Well Polymer capacitor mods can be applied just make sure you have the correct values, this seems to be quite vital.
Other than that all should be fine otherwise.


KT600 lacked AGP 3.3v support so it wasn't really ideal for 3dfx GAP x2 cards, but if you had a PCI card like a Voodoo5 5500 PCI Macintosh 64MB Rev.A1 2900 you were pretty well set.
VIA KT333  for AthlonXP & SiS-645 for Pentium 4 were the fastest chipsets that had AGP x2 3.3v support evetryting beyond required PI versions of the cards unless you ha the ultra rare Kiroutu Shiku AGP2PCI Convertor cards yea with these you could use an AGP card ina PCI_X slot at 66Mhz Bus in 32 Bit PCI mode basically as fast as a normal AGP card from 3dfx of that card type.
AG x2 was needed even though with a bus speed of 66 Mhz the actual speed was equivalent to AGP x1 or 32 Bit PCI at a bus of 66Mhz.

So yeah there are some crazy ways, just less practical , so I kind of stuck with a stale and reliable chipset and the AMD 761 was my choice :)
And as a Voodoo3 3500 user this chipset is all I need really, more of an Audio guy than gamer these days so the Audigy 2 ZS platinum Pro will be of great use for this build
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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/15 19:59:51 (permalink)
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Nice system man, I've got a KT600 system I need to get up and running, have the bits just need to get it loaded lol.  I had an old KT266A Soyo Dragon Plus board back in 2001 so I got the updated KT600 version since it is a bit hard to find good boards that are not toast at this point.  The 266 had the dreaded bad caps, I recapped it but I guess it had other issues so I threw it out quite a long time ago now.



Many thanks, that are some rare boards you have there though!

Well Polymer capacitor mods can be applied just make sure you have the correct values, this seems to be quite vital.
Other than that all should be fine otherwise.


KT600 lacked AGP 3.3v support so it wasn't really ideal for 3dfx GAP x2 cards, but if you had a PCI card like a Voodoo5 5500 PCI Macintosh 64MB Rev.A1 2900 you were pretty well set.
VIA KT333  for AthlonXP & SiS-645 for Pentium 4 were the fastest chipsets that had AGP x2 3.3v support evetryting beyond required PI versions of the cards unless you ha the ultra rare Kiroutu Shiku AGP2PCI Convertor cards yea with these you could use an AGP card ina PCI_X slot at 66Mhz Bus in 32 Bit PCI mode basically as fast as a normal AGP card from 3dfx of that card type.
AG x2 was needed even though with a bus speed of 66 Mhz the actual speed was equivalent to AGP x1 or 32 Bit PCI at a bus of 66Mhz.

So yeah there are some crazy ways, just less practical , so I kind of stuck with a stale and reliable chipset and the AMD 761 was my choice :)
And as a Voodoo3 3500 user this chipset is all I need really, more of an Audio guy than gamer these days so the Audigy 2 ZS platinum Pro will be of great use for this build


Oh nice thanks for the info.  I actually upgraded from Geforce 3 to Geforce 6800 a long time ago when they were new, I picked up a 7950 AGP card for this rig :o going to put Windows XP on it for some older games (like JK in your list).  I built another Windows 98 machine a long time ago (was a pentium 3) but my dad commandeered it for his old scanner software lol.  I still have my old 20 pin "mad dog" 350W psu with special molex cable for the graphics card.
 
Those old Voodoo3 cards were pretty killer, the 16 bit colour limitation never bothered me much when playing older games but I'd not want to use it for a day to day system.  Went with a viper 2 instead which was terrible.  When the GF3 came out I hopped right on that.
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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/09/16 05:38:31 (permalink)
Voodo3 used a 22 bit color mode when redinering in 16 Bit Glide mode this is why 16 Bit Glide which was actually 22 Bit color looekd better than OpenGL or DIrect 3D 16 Bit, and at the timeover 5500 games supported the Glide API the Voodoo3 3500 was a fast and simple solution.

Image Quality came on par with the Matrox G400 MAX thanks to the high ramdac of 350 mhz plus the 2D & 3D filters 3dfx used were on par with that from matrox and well if image quality was important to you besides speed Voodoo3 was also your solution over the much more expensive Matrox G4400 series.

Nowadays I prefer AMD Radeons over NVIDIA GeForce mainly far improved image quality & Drivers plus you pay for what you get  the Power Color RX 5700 XT Red Devil is on par with that of a RTX 2070 Super and in many cases the RTX 2080 non super but costs 200 to 300 Euro less yet the image quality out put is lots better, visible when using SIPS or S-PVA Panels or a good trinitron monitor with DVI-D Support or RGB + black Shades connectors.

Even I had a lot of GeForce cards mainly from Hercules, Gainward, Leadtek , XFX Pine Group & VGA.
But I always came back to ATI / AMD Radeons just my preference over NV's cards.

If the prices were much lower than they are I would of loved to try out a RTX 2080 Super under Win 7 with my BarsWF CUDA x64 project, I had tons of  NV Engineering Sample sas wellf rom ATI & 3dfx even one from S3 was way back in 2008 or so tho it was a S3 Savage 4 Extreme Cherry board these ran 175 to 00 mhz core mem, only 30 were made, even tho the Savage 2000 was the worthy replacement and it obliberated the S4 Extreme's easily.

Here two galleries of the best VGA cards I had from 1988 to around 2012 I think it was:
These from 2002 to 2009:
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/v/3dfx_collectors/collectors_goldleader/prevgas/

These from 2009 to 2011-2013:
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/v/3dfx_collectors/collectors_goldleader/MVGAS/
 
Even I had well over 8-- graphics cards, my best cards can be seen in those galleries, just to give you some insight I am fan of VGA cards in their whole no matter the branding.
Even my favorite will always be 3dfx, I grew up using 3dfx cards from the they they founded their company released the SST1 aka Voodoo graphics in 1995 til they went under on December 15, 2000.

For new gen systems always AMD for me just more affordable and better price/performance, each for their own tho.
a TITAN RTX would also be interesting to emss around with, but hey we all have dreams right


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Re: Sveta 2002, my 3dfx rebuild, time to go Retro again guys! 2019/10/13 05:24:03 (permalink)
Hey all :)

Major thanks to Declan for his help for helping me out getting the Audigy2 ZS Platinum Pro and some 90 cm long flat data cables and my old Cooler Master X-Dream-S Cooler back for the AXP 2200 this system is fully equipped I also replaced the Sony Floppy Driver with a Mitsubishi Electronics Australia F200 LS_120 Super Disk Drive tons of rare hardware in this build and it's all working together very well :)

Here the package I gt from SWZSSR rom South Australia:



The Slot1 CPU is my old P3/E 650Mhz Coppermine CPU :)

Here the Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro Sound card when I cleaned it:




And here the cleaned card:










Here the system after I built it:


Here the new CPU cooler the Cooler Master X-Dream-S for the AXP 2200+


Left the C drive a Seagate Barracuda V 8GB 7200 rpm and right the Mitsubishi Electronics Australia F200 LS-120 Super Disk Drive:


First bootup a success, well gladly!




Night mode:


Here the system with it's front & side panels attached:




And here the full system it's self:

System Name & Specs:

Sveta 2002

AMD AthlonXP 2200+ Thoroughbred-A @ 1.8Ghz
EPox EP-8K7A+ AMD 761 Chipset with VIA 686B SB
2x 1GB PC-2700 Kingston @ PC-2100 266Mhz DDR
3dfx Voodoo3 3500 TV AGP 16MB Rev.A 3199
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro
Mitsubishi Electronics Australia F200 LS-120 Super Disk Drive
1x Seagate Barracuda V 80GB 7200 rpm Main Disk
1x Western Digital Caviar SE 250GB 7200 rpm Game & Storage Disk
Belkin 5 port NEC USB 2.0 PCI Card
3-Com 3C905C-TX-M PCI Ethernet adapter 10/100Mbit
NEC ND-1300A DVD-RW Drive
BTO Plusdeck 2c Cassette Deck Tape Player, Recorder & Convertor Drive
Antec True Power 550 Watt PSU
Addttronics 6896A Entry Level Server Tower
Compaq S710 17" Blackshade CRT from 2001
Reso @ 1024x768x32 @ 85Hz
1995 Roland E-14 Keyboard

Win2K Pro + SP4 & RU1 for SP4
AmigaSport 3.0 by AmigaMerlin from 3dfxzone.it
Latest 3dfx Tools for V3 3500 TV AGP.

 
And here with the 1995 Roland E-14 Keyboard:

 
And there you have it guys 
post edited by Gold Leader - 2019/10/13 05:42:28


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