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2018/05/13 12:08:31 (permalink)
Hi guys, after getting a new GTX 1080 TI FTW3 and i7-7700K, I've been experiencing stuttering in games like Witcher 3, PUBG, Battlefield 4, and Crysis 3. With my current cooling solution, GPU temps never go above 55 C, and CPU averages around 65 C with a max of 77 C.
 
Things I have tried:
Removing CPU and GPU OC back to stock
Defragging HDD and SSD
Rolled back GPU drivers
Updated lots of drivers with Driver Booster 5
Removed my antivirus for a short while
Fresh reinstall of my OS (Windows 10)
Doing clean boots now - disabling all startup programs
Disabling G-Sync
Disabled High Precision Event Timer
Disabled a BIOS PCH option called IOAPIC 24-119
Moved a few games from HDD to SSD and it didn’t help with said games that were moved.
 
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post edited by Soulutionzzz - 2018/05/13 13:00:51

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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/13 12:18:07 (permalink)
    When I had this happen in BF1, disabling V-sync took care of the stuttering. Give it a try and see if that works for you. 

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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/13 12:19:58 (permalink)
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    When I had this happen in BF1, disabling V-sync took care of the stuttering. Give it a try and see if that works for you. 

    I did not have V-Sync enabled for any of the above mentioned games. I did have G-Sync on, but like I said, disabling it didn’t help.

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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/13 12:45:56 (permalink)
    See if the stutters get reduced when running the game off your other storage device.
    post edited by Sajin - 2018/05/13 12:59:53


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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/13 12:59:49 (permalink)
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    See if the stutters get reduced when running the game of your other storage device.

    Ah, I forgot to mention that - PUBG and Witcher 3 were originally on the HDD and I moved it to SSD and it didn’t help.

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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/13 13:04:45 (permalink)
    Have you tried playing your games with all monitoring programs disabled?


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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/13 13:46:38 (permalink)
    Sajin
    Have you tried playing your games with all monitoring programs disabled?

    Hm, I’ll try that.
    But personally I like to keep an OSD up to see if anything is going awry.

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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/13 16:11:50 (permalink)
    Sajin
    Have you tried playing your games with all monitoring programs disabled?


    So I've tried running it without monitoring software, but since I use MSI Afterburner to do my overclocks, once I close it the overclock is no longer applied and my GPU runs at stock speed.
     
    Or can I just uncheck all the parameters that I have MSI monitoring instead of closing MSI completely?
     
    Or what if I close/uninstall Rivatuner?

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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/13 16:14:24 (permalink)
    An applied overclock will continue to run after exiting afterburner.


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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/13 16:23:22 (permalink)
    Sajin
    An applied overclock will continue to run after exiting afterburner.

    How do you close MSI without removing the overclock then? I ran 3DMark just to make sure the OC didn’t get removed and it reported stock speeds.

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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/13 16:26:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Soulutionzzz 2018/05/17 15:07:08
    Every time I've ran 3dmark I've ran it with msi afterburner closed. I simply put my overclock settings in and hit apply then close afterburner by pressing the x button in the gui.


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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/17 15:07:56 (permalink)
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    Every time I've ran 3dmark I've ran it with msi afterburner closed. I simply put my overclock settings in and hit apply then close afterburner by pressing the x button in the gui.


    I admit, after turning off all my monitoring software, the stutters were greatly reduced. But they are still there and noticeable - just not as frequent.

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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/17 16:04:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Soulutionzzz 2018/05/18 19:27:39
    When you removed your antivirus did you also disable windows defender & windows smartscreen?


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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/17 16:22:10 (permalink)
    Sajin
    When you removed your antivirus did you also disable windows defender & windows smartscreen?


    Neither to both. Should I disable them?

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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/17 16:24:20 (permalink)
    Yeah.


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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/18 19:31:24 (permalink)
    Sajin
    When you removed your antivirus did you also disable windows defender & windows smartscreen?


    So I've permanently disabled Windows Defender (since it seems to only disable temporarily unless you edit the registry) and Smartscreen and stuttering in Witcher 3 is basically non-existant (there still seems to be some frame drops but I'm genuinely not sure if it's my system or just me). There's still some stuttering in PUBG, but I'm just going to pin it on the game being horribly optimized. Crysis 3 and BF4 run much more smoother now too.
     
    Do you think there are any other things I can try? Thanks for all the help so far!
     
    Also, since I am now without an antivirus, do you think there's anything I could do about that?

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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/18 19:42:19 (permalink)
    No problem. Sounds good. Just disable/enable your virus protection as needed.


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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/19 01:26:15 (permalink)
    Sajin
    No problem. Sounds good. Just disable/enable your virus protection as needed.

    Just out of curiosity, is there anything else you'd recommend doing beyond what you've already shared?

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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/19 01:39:26 (permalink)
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    No problem. Sounds good. Just disable/enable your virus protection as needed.

    Just out of curiosity, is there anything else you'd recommend doing beyond what you've already shared?


    I believe Sajin has recommended about everything you can try. What you could also do is try a free antivirus solution to see if that results in less stuttering than Windows Defender.

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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/19 06:02:16 (permalink)
    I read everything in this thread, my few tips:

    - update motherboard BIOS
    - test with another power supply
    - test with another GTX 1080 Ti

    - turn off all monitoring software and test with the minimum and start adding things back once it's not stuttering

    - shouldn't have any effect unless the software is conflicting: disabling the AV software

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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/19 13:23:37 (permalink)
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    No problem. Sounds good. Just disable/enable your virus protection as needed.

    Just out of curiosity, is there anything else you'd recommend doing beyond what you've already shared?


    Do #6, #7 & #8 listed here.


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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/20 05:27:29 (permalink)
    What is your Windows Power scheme set at?  Even at 'High Performance' there can be issues if your cores are stuck in idle
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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/20 14:19:53 (permalink)
    You can add and enable the new 'Ultimate Performance' power plan to Windows 10 as described here (and other places) and see if it matters.
     
    This new plan option is only workable in Windows 10 versions not older than 1803.
     
    The new plan option is geared towards reducing micro-latencies.

    How Microsoft describes it:
    "As part of our effort to provide the absolute maximum performance we’re introducing a new power policy called Ultimate Performance. Windows has developed key areas where performance and efficiency tradeoffs are made in the OS. Over time, we’ve amassed a collection of settings which allow the OS to quickly tune the behavior based on user preference, policy, underlying hardware or workload. This new policy builds on the current High-Performance policy, and it goes a step further to eliminate micro-latencies associated with fine grained power management techniques."
     
    For power-users, you can un-hide (or re-hide) the hidden Processor Park Control/Power settings in Advanced Power Settings -> Processor power management features by opening a Command Prompt (Admin), then Copy and Paste in the following and press Enter..This will be applied to all plans.

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    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 4e4450b3-6179-4e91-b8f1-5bb9938f81a1 -ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR cfeda3d0-7697-4566-a922-a9086cd49dfa -ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 06cadf0e-64ed-448a-8927-ce7bf90eb35d -ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 12a0ab44-fe28-4fa9-b3bd-4b64f44960a6 -ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 40fbefc7-2e9d-4d25-a185-0cfd8574bac6 -ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 4b92d758-5a24-4851-a470-815d78aee119 -ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 7b224883-b3cc-4d79-819f-8374152cbe7c -ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 943c8cb6-6f93-4227-ad87-e9a3feec08d1 -ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 619b7505-003b-4e82-b7a6-4dd29c300971 -ATTRIB_HIDE

    Re-Hide Codes:
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    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 36687f9e-e3a5-4dbf-b1dc-15eb381c6863 +ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 4e4450b3-6179-4e91-b8f1-5bb9938f81a1 +ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR cfeda3d0-7697-4566-a922-a9086cd49dfa +ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 06cadf0e-64ed-448a-8927-ce7bf90eb35d +ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 12a0ab44-fe28-4fa9-b3bd-4b64f44960a6 +ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 40fbefc7-2e9d-4d25-a185-0cfd8574bac6 +ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 4b92d758-5a24-4851-a470-815d78aee119 +ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 7b224883-b3cc-4d79-819f-8374152cbe7c +ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 943c8cb6-6f93-4227-ad87-e9a3feec08d1 +ATTRIB_HIDE
    powercfg -attributes SUB_PROCESSOR 619b7505-003b-4e82-b7a6-4dd29c300971 +ATTRIB_HIDE

     
    Just tossing in some food for thought.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/20 16:10:16 (permalink)
    You can just manually edit the processor performance attributes under the registry key.  There is a list of about 75 more or less options to go through.  The  way I did it was I read through the descriptions and chose which 'attributes' I wanted to un-hide, then edited them in the 'Power Options' settings under High Performance. 
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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/22 09:13:14 (permalink)
    How is everything running now?


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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/24 14:39:31 (permalink)
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    How is everything running now?


    I always had trouble with trying to switch the Power Plan into "High Performance" - it always defaults back to "Balanced" the instant I close the window.
     
    I'll try messing with the registry.

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    Re: Stuttering with New Hardware During Gaming 2018/05/24 16:16:47 (permalink)
    You might also want to take a look at the link here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/7a0763/standby_memory_issue_causing_stutters_on_creators/. It's hard to tell if this will resolve your issues, but it may be worth a shot. 

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