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2012/06/29 06:51:58 (permalink)
Hi guys. I have a strange problem in 3dmark 11 and my card Evga Gtx 680. If of course this is a problem. Listen very careful.

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On my friends card Msi Gtx 680, in my pc ( THE SAME PC ), i was have always from 9320 to 9340 points. Just always even on 10 loops. On my Evga Gtx 680 i have between 9264 to 9388 points ( sometimes 0,5 fps to 1 fps different on the same tests ). Dont worry about that? My card is fine even on that differences on scores?
I close all background programs. Both card tested on my pc. But i dont know why my card making from 9264 points to 9388 points in for example 10 loops. While Msi Gtx 680 is making always from 9320 to 9340 points.
Something wrong with my Evga Gtx 680 ? HELP ME , thx. I want to decide to RMA or not.
 
 
 
This is my second after RMA Evga Gtx 680: ( For me its too much 100 + points difference in loops, while on Msi Gtx 680 is only  20+-.                            GPU score is different i dont know why.
 
 
I upload a screens , look down.

 
 
Sorry again for my bad Polish:/  I dont know what to do now.
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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 07:03:25 (permalink)
    I find I always get different results from these tests. Regardless of the Model or brand of Gfx Card.
    If the results are in range of what the Card should be performing at, its fine.
    Your above results do not warrant a RMA
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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 12:18:32 (permalink)
    Again?  Last time it was your friend's asus card.


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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 12:19:49 (permalink)
    this time MSI (  from SLIs friend take it ) . Now i am using Gtx 680 Evga after RMA>
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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 12:24:35 (permalink)
    I do not see the results as outside of expectations. It's very close and many things can affect it in this manner...disk access, different programs in the background (or services) accessing computer resources during the test....

    *shrug* Seems fine to me
     

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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 12:27:06 (permalink)
    ALL background programs are closed. Now i am have scores between 9240 to 9300 Oo. Dont know why i am loosing points.
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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 12:29:02 (permalink)
    I would consider anything between a specified range of 500ish points as ok.

    I think your expectations of stability of scores is unrealistic.
     

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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 12:39:16 (permalink)
    The most strange it is , when i run 6 performance tests but together  with DEMO, i lost always more points. It is normal?  I loosing 100 points when i run complete 3dmark 11 run with Demo.
     
    Without demo , with only 6 performance tests i have always more points.
     
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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 12:41:35 (permalink)
    First, what version 680 do you have and which model MSI card does your amigo have?
     
    You and your friends PCs are exactly the same?, same memory and timings, CPU and GPU clocks, software, drivers, PCIe slot population, everything? That is really unusual and kind of creepy
     
    In any event, I can sneeze and get a 100 point difference, not intending to be negative, but it sounds like you might be making a bigger deal out of this than it really is.  The situation you described is definitely nothing to justify an RMA, "An EVGA Return Merchandise Authorization (RMA) allows customers to return defective products to EVGA for a replacement under warranty."
     
    A 100 point difference in a benchmark does not imply your card is defective in any way and means absoutely nothing in regards to the proper operation of the card.  

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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 12:44:53 (permalink)
    Like i say we tested only on my pc both cards.
    My Evga Gtx 680 and Msi Gtx 680. Cards are referent. Pc is the same.
     
    On Msi Gtx 680 always ( even o 20 loops ) i have score between 9320 to 9344 points.
     
    On my Evga Gtx 680 i have very different scores.
    Between 9250 points to 9388 points. And i want to know , why? And of course it is normal or not? Cheers from Poland:)
     
     
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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 12:46:09 (permalink)
    MSI makes more than one model of GTX 680 as does EVGA, what specific models are you referring to here?

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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 12:47:05 (permalink)
    wdflyer

    First, what version 680 do you have and which model MSI card does your amigo have?

    You and your friends PCs are exactly the same?, same memory and timings, CPU and GPU clocks, software, drivers, PCIe slot population, everything? That is really unusual and kind of creepy

    In any event, I can sneeze and get a 100 point difference, not intending to be negative, but it sounds like you might be making a bigger deal out of this than it really is.  The situation you described is definitely nothing to justify an RMA, "An EVGA Return Merchandise Authorization (RMA) allows customers to return defective products to EVGA for a replacement under warranty."

    A 100 point difference in a benchmark does not imply your card is defective in any way and means absoutely nothing in regards to the proper operation of the card.  

     
    Quoted for truth and to make sure the OP reread this:)





     
     
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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 12:47:15 (permalink)
    Card of a friend is:
    Msi Gtx 680
     
    http://www.msi.com/produc..a/N680GTX-PM2D2GD5.html
     
     
    And now look at my scores  on my Evga gtx 680  :

     
    and this is loop from beggining of the day:
     

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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 12:52:06 (permalink)
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    Like i say we tested only on my pc both cards.

     
    That makes more sense, didn't understand that the first go-round. much less creepy too
     
    EDIT:  Others may be able to see your pic above, I am unable to due to the server I am on atm. 
    Is this the card you have:
    
     http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=02G-P4-2680-KR&family=GeForce 600 Series Family&sw=
     
    post edited by wdflyer - 2012/06/29 12:58:05

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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 12:57:44 (permalink)
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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 13:11:56 (permalink)
    Cool, thanks for helping clear that up.
     
    First, don't worry about it, it's honestly not really an issue.  If you run the benchmarks again, just run one single loop for each card using the benchmark only options, no demo, no sound, no loop etc.  Don't turn off any background programs for either card.  Leave all the programs running in the background alone.
     
    It may not make a difference and the 100 or so point difference may remain, but in the end it is just a benchmarking program, it doesn't mean your card is defective.  Every GTX 680 will not perform the same as any other GTX 680 out there, that is normal.  Just because the specs are the same doesn't mean the performance will always be 100% the same.
     
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    litwicki22 
    But i dont know why my card making from 9264 points to 9388 points in for example 10 loops. While Msi Gtx 680 is making always from 9320 to 9340 points.


    Your friends card is scoring up to 9340 points
    Your card is scoring up  to 9388 points
    That is only a 48 point difference.....and if I am reading it right, your card scored higher?

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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 13:17:10 (permalink)
    Right forget the benchmarks for a second.
     
    Are you having any problems playing games?
     
    If its a no, then you are fine.
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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 13:21:54 (permalink)
    My card is  making from 9249 points to 9388 points in for example 10 loops. While my friends card Msi Gtx 680 is making always from 9320 to 9340 points, in 10 loops.
     
    Both tested on my pc. Why on my own card i have 130 points+ differences between loops?
    post edited by litwicki22 - 2012/06/29 13:23:57
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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 14:00:09 (permalink)
    It is normal, get over it. 
     
    As mentioned before, the clock generator in the computer doesn't produce the same frequency every time due to occilations, so each run will have a slight variation to the score.  In fact, we buy rounded up frequencies, no one buys a 3.49GHz quad-core or a 3.51GHz quad-core, they just buy 3.5GHz.  Same with your RAM and graphics frequencies, and internal QPI and PCIe frequencies, they aren't the same all the time.  The variation you're seeing in score pattern accounts for less than 2% and you're making a big deal about it.
     
    The answer to your question is "Clock Generator".  Look it up, calm down and enjoy your hardware.  When we benchmark, we just pick one to represent our efforts. If you want to do an analysis of the variation, go ahead, but it isn't new.

    If you don't like that answer, I suppose you can keep asking.  But there won't be anything you can do in BIOS or in Windows to force the score to be exactly the same everytime you run the benchmark. 

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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 14:23:03 (permalink)
    But in games are all fine. I tested: Battlefield 3, Crysis 1, Alan Wake, Skyrim, Max Payne 3, Arkham City....... All without crashes, and high fps on max details.
     
    Arkham City on maxed details , with PHYSX high i have minimal 40 fps, but i can live with that. Earlier on I5 2.66 i was have 20 fps.
     
    Anyway thx for replies guys, i am dont worry now about score:) Thx for replies. Now i must play some titles:)
    Sorry for problem.
    post edited by litwicki22 - 2012/06/29 14:28:41
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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/29 14:48:09 (permalink)
    It's nothing man, chalk it up to the way the benchmarking software works and move on.

    Again, and not meant as a negative comment, but you were making an issue out of something that almost any other computer enthusiast here would consider 100% normal.

    Stop worrying and enjoy your rig

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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/30 07:44:49 (permalink)
    Sorry but again i lost points: I make test after playing Battlefield 3:
     
    look now i have 9200  I am worried now much better;/:
     

     
     
     
    I think my card is throttling loosing near 2 fps in tests and 200 points!!
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    Re:Strange different results on the same cards and pc in 3dmark 11 2012/06/30 09:13:43 (permalink)
    Quoted from above to save time

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    It is normal, get over it.

    As mentioned before, the clock generator in the computer doesn't produce the same frequency every time due to occilations, so each run will have a slight variation to the score. In fact, we buy rounded up frequencies, no one buys a 3.49GHz quad-core or a 3.51GHz quad-core, they just buy 3.5GHz. Same with your RAM and graphics frequencies, and internal QPI and PCIe frequencies, they aren't the same all the time.  The variation you're seeing in score pattern accounts for less than 2% and you're making a big deal about it.

    The answer to your question is "Clock Generator". Look it up, calm down and enjoy your hardware. When we benchmark, we just pick one to represent our efforts. If you want to do an analysis of the variation, go ahead, but it isn't new.

    If you don't like that answer, I suppose you can keep asking. But there won't be anything you can do in BIOS or in Windows to force the score to be exactly the same everytime you run the benchmark.


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    It's nothing man, chalk it up to the way the benchmarking software works and move on.

    Again, and not meant as a negative comment, but you were making an issue out of something that almost any other computer enthusiast here would consider 100% normal.

    Stop worrying and enjoy your rig

    Wait a bit - I am sure you will see similar opinions show up in here as well.


    I have had one of our rigs score as low as 9617 and as high as 11848, why?, because variations are normal.

    Your obsession with the benchmarking numbers is a tad excessive my friend, in the end they are just numbers and only good for bragging rights. What matters most are things like real world performance measured in, as an example, FPS while playing high end, system demanding games with all the graphics settings maxed, IMO.


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