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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/27 19:59:31 (permalink)
OK your mem is DDR3 1066, and that's the prob.
I suggest set your BIOS like this:
 
CPU Feature
OC Recovery ( Enabled )

Memory Feature
Memory Speed ( Standard )
Memory Control Setting ( Enabled )
Memory Frequency ( 1131Mhz / 2:6 )
CL Setting ( 8 )
tRCD Setting ( 8 )
tRP Setting ( 8 )
tRAS Setting ( 20 )
tRFC Setting ( 74 )
Command Rate ( 2t )
tRRD ( 5 )
tRTP ( 5 )
tWR ( 9 )

Voltage Control
DIMM Voltage ( 1.65 )  <-- after you get stable, at your max OC, try lowering this to 1.60V.
 
Be careful, have your BIOS settings wrote down in case you have to reset CMOS! 

Hopefully your mem will OC a bit. If you want you can fiddle with it later to see how fast you can make it stable. Let me know I can help W/that too, but first you need to stabilize what OC you have.
post edited by HalloweenWeed - 2011/07/27 20:05:41

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Overclocking is useless to me if it is not rock stable.
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/27 20:08:44 (permalink)
Where did you get that mem? It is not 2000.

Main (gaming) rig: i7-3930K; Asus Rampage IV Extreme; H100 W/p-p Excaliburs, AS5; MSI 7870 2GD5/OC; Crucial M4 SSD 256GB.
See my primary ModsRigs: Adam for the rest, and I have a second (wife's) rig Asus Rampage III Extreme & 960: Eve.

   
Overclocking is useless to me if it is not rock stable.
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/27 20:24:42 (permalink)
Erm it is 2000 i got it from the OCZ website i will show you which model i have! This is the RAM i bought, hang on I'll be pissed off if i bought the wrong sort and never checked it let me see!
 
 
http://www.ocztechnology....ge-triple-channel.html I was under the impression this is what i bought!
 
BRB going to check!
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/27 20:29:25 (permalink)
IN any case, I think you should try the settings I suggested above. If they work, and stabilize your rig, we can resume from that point.

Main (gaming) rig: i7-3930K; Asus Rampage IV Extreme; H100 W/p-p Excaliburs, AS5; MSI 7870 2GD5/OC; Crucial M4 SSD 256GB.
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Overclocking is useless to me if it is not rock stable.
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/27 20:30:16 (permalink)
Well I am looking at my invoice now and it is definatley the OCZ 2000Mhz , I have no idea why that program is reporting it differently!
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/27 20:34:18 (permalink)
It could be they either mismarked some RAM and gave you that, or they accidentally just shipped you the wrong ones. Mistakes do happen. I think you should call (or e-mail) OCZ tech support and tell them what has happened. They should exchange it for you. Or if it is very newly purchased, the vendor may handle an RMA swap for you.

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Overclocking is useless to me if it is not rock stable.
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/27 20:48:42 (permalink)
errm it appears that program is reading my RAM wrong this is from an independent shopping site Note the same model number :
OCZ3G2000LV2G
 
http://www.pc2buy.com/374...cz-ddr3-pc3-16000.html
 
about to run LinX with your latest suggested settings!
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/27 21:03:30 (permalink)
Yeah i doubt they will change it now as it is extremely old
i do have some spare DDR3 but it is not as fast i could swap it out of my other machine , well I'm retiring to bed for the night , I appreciate all your help and i hope to get to the bottom of this soon 4.5Gig Here I Come hehe
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/27 21:08:07 (permalink)
badass1982

errm it appears that program is reading my RAM wrong

The spd tables that it reads are merely what the Mfgr programmed into them. It's a little odd, that the table you seen was just stock Intel spec (exc maybe the latency values themselves, IDK). It's like the factory forgot to update them after they did the testing. You see, the "Mfgr" (OCZ) buys the sticks in bulk from overseas, and then tests them on a special test platform, where they then program the spd table with the fastest test that passed. There are even programs you can download to edit those spd tables in your RAM. So it is not AIDA64 prob, and you can verify that W/CPU-Z. I'll bet CPU-Z also only shows 533MHz max as well (in the "spd" tab).

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Overclocking is useless to me if it is not rock stable.
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/27 22:34:57 (permalink)
Yep CPU-Z and EVGA E-Leet only show mem spd of 553Mhz
Hmm I've got a feeling my mobo might be on it's way out due to the fact that i have 6GB installed and windblows is only reporting 3.99GB available, I've read reports that this is due to a bent pin on the socket but I've looked mine over again and again and again!
 
 
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/27 23:50:54 (permalink)
For what it's worth, I always only take the SPD settings as a baseline, anyway.  You can squeeze a bit extra out of most modules depending on your idea of stability, but it's probably best to get it close to the defaults first before trying to tighten (reduce) the timings or increase the clock rate, like was suggested here.  Everything has to go a step at a time.
 
I never completely trust SPD settings, anyway.  The XMP profile on my memory tries to set tRAS to 3.   But the memory wasn't advertised with an XMP profile, so I don't really hold them at fault for it.
 
Losing memory can be due to a lot of factors.  Memory timings, bad memory or memory your motherboard just doesn't like, not a strong enough memory controller on the CPU for your overclock...  Check the threads around this board for more information on the 'lost memory' problem.  It seems to be pretty common.
post edited by Mytyl - 2011/07/27 23:53:06
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/28 07:44:39 (permalink)
So I just woke up and Prime 95 has been running for 8 hours straight with no errors on Large FFT's . The Settings used i will post below (and i must admit the machine now "feels" a lot slower than it did before but I'm guessing this is down to the memory settings!
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/28 14:52:35 (permalink)
Right guys I must have changed a setting or something so I'm going to reset Bios frequency/voltages back to last known stable and start again from there as I'm sure i can get it stable on 4.5Gig i just need to figure it out will post my default template and start again later on!
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/28 16:38:51 (permalink)
badass1982

Yep CPU-Z and EVGA E-Leet only show mem spd of 553Mhz
Hmm I've got a feeling my mobo might be on it's way out due to the fact that i have 6GB installed and windblows is only reporting 3.99GB available, I've read reports that this is due to a bent pin on the socket but I've looked mine over again and again and again!

The #1 cause of that prob is an OC with wrong settings. I have been trying to help you with that, are you going to go off and do some other troubleshooting now instead? Ppls don't report that prob as being an OC prob bc they fixed it by adjusting their OC. We were trying to stabilize your OCZ mem, what are you doing now? I would like to help you with this, but if you go off on a tangent in some other direction I think I will just say good luck to you. I've got too much on my plate right now anyway.
post edited by HalloweenWeed - 2011/07/28 17:00:00

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Overclocking is useless to me if it is not rock stable.
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/28 20:20:50 (permalink)
Yes and i appreciate the help however I inadvertently managed to mess up my overclock settings (lets not forget that the ONLY stable clock so far was the default clock) so i have decided to start from scratch and this time I am going to get it correct! below is the starting point that I am at:
 
                My System Template



    Components   

Mother Board (EVGA x58 Classified E760)
Drivers (Mobo Drivers 9.1.2.1008)
Bios (EVGA version 82)
CPU (Intel Core I7 970@ 3.2 GHz)
CPU Cooler (Water Cooled with an EK Supreme waterblock for CPU)
Memory (OCZ Gold 6GB Budget RAM Kit PN - OCZ3G2000LV6GK)
PSU (Corsair AX 1200 Modular PSU)
GPU (EVGA Radeon 5970 Black Edition w/EK full coverage water block for 5970)
Drivers (11.7)
Operating System ( Windows 7 64 Ultimate )



    Power Management Settings

ACPI function            [ENABLED]
ACPI suspend type        [S1 (POS)]
xrunvgabios if S3 RESUME      AUTO
Soft off by power button    [Instant-Off]
wake up by PCI card        [ENABLED]
xUSB KB wake-up from S3         DISABLED
resume by alarm            [DISABLED]
xdate(of month) alarm        0
xtime(hh:mm:ss) alarm        0 : 0 : 0
HPET support            [ENABLED]
HPET mode             [64-bit mode]
power on function        [DISABLED]
xhot key power on          CTRL-F1
PWRON after PWR-FAIL        [OFF]

    PNP/PCI CONFIGURATIONS

Init display first        [PCI EX]
Reset configuration data    [DISABLED]
Resources controlled by        [AUTO(ESCD)]
xIRQ Resources            Press Enter
PCI/VGA Palette snoop        [DISABLED]
INT PIN 1            [AUTO]
INT PIN 2            [AUTO]
INT PIN 3            [AUTO]
INT PIN 4            [AUTO]
INT PIN 5            [AUTO]
INT PIN 6            [AUTO]
INT PIN 7            [AUTO]
INT PIN 8            [AUTO]
Reserved RC for bridge        [DISABLED]


**PCI EXPRESS RELATIVE ITEMS**
Maximum payload size [128]

    Frequency/Voltage Control

Dummy OC            [DISABLED]
Extreme Cooling            [DISABLED]
CPU clock ratio            [24x]
CPU host frequency        [133]
xTarget CPU frequency        3200Mhz (133x24)
xTarget Memory frequency    11067Mhz
MCH strap            [AUTO]
CPU Uncore frequency (Mhz)    [AUTO]
CPU Clock Skew            [0PS]
IOH Clock Skew            [0PS]
Spread Spectrum            [DISABLED]
PCIE Frequency         (Mhz)    [100]
OC Recovery            [DISABLED]
Turbo Performance        [DISABLED]

EVGA VDROOP control        [Without VDROOP]
CPU V CORE            [AUTO]            1.10625V
CPU VTT VOLTAGE            [AUTO]            +0mv
CPU PLL VOLTAGE            [AUTO]            1.800V
IOH PLL VCORE            [AUTO]            1.800V
QPI PLL VCORE            [AUTO]            1.100V
DIMM VOLTAGE            [AUTO]            1.500V
DIMM DQ VREF            [+0Mv]            +0mv
IOH VCORE            [AUTO]            1.100V
IOH/ICH I/O VOLTAGE        [AUTO]            1.500V
ICH VCORE            [AUTO]            1.100V
VTT PWM FREQUENCY        [250MHz]        250MHz
CPU PWM FREQUENCY        [800MHZ]        800MHz
CPU IMPEDANCE            [AUTO]            AUTO
QPI SIGNAL COMPENSATION        [AUTO]            AUTO

    Memory Feature
Memory SPD            [STANDARD]
Memory control setting        [ENABLED]
Memory Frequency        [AUTO]
xTarget memory frequency        1067Mhz
Channel Interleave Setting    [6 way]
Rank interleave setting        [4 way]
Memory low gap            [AUTO]

Parameters                Setting                Current

tCL                    AUTO                07
tRCD                    AUTO                07
tRD                    AUTO                07
tRAS                    AUTO                18
tRFC                    AUTO                59
tREF                    AUTO                509
Command Rate                AUTO                1T
tRRD                    AUTO                4
tRAW                    AUTO                20
tRTP                    AUTO                4
tWR                    AUTO                8
CH1 Round Trip Latency            AUTO                44
CH2 Round Trip Latency            AUTO                46
CH3 Round Trip Latency            AUTO                46
Back to back CAS delay            AUTO                0
tddWrTRd Setting            AUTO                6
tdrWrTRd Setting            AUTO                6
tsrWrTRd Setting            AUTO                14
tddRdTWr Setting            AUTO                9
tdrRdTWr Setting            AUTO                9
tsrRdTWr Setting            AUTO                9
tddRdTRd Setting            AUTO                7
tdrRdTRd Setting            AUTO                6
tsrRdTRd Setting            AUTO                4
tddWrTWr Setting            AUTO                7
tdrWrTWr Setting            AUTO                7
tsrWrTWr Setting            AUTO                4
tRL                    [+0]
tWL                    [+0]


    CPU Feature

Intel Speedstep            [DISABLED]
XTurbo Mode Function        DISABLED
CxE Function            [DISABLED]
Execute Disable Bit        [ENABLED]
virtualization Technology    [DISABLED]


xxxxxLogical Processor Settingxxxxx
Intel HT Technology        [ENABLED]
Active Processor Cores        [ALL]

xxxxxQPI Controller Settingsxxxxx
QPI Control Settings        [ENABLED]
QPI Link Fast Mode        [ENABLED]
QPI Frequency Selection        [AUTO]  
 
 
And of course the above is rock solid but it is NOT overclocked, so the target is to reach 4.5Gig stable AND with acceptable Temperatures!
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/29 00:08:22 (permalink)
Why not work through one of the many X58 overclocking guides on these forums, or others?  Sometimes starting over isn't necessarily a bad thing, and you can avoid mistakes you made the first time around, and have greater clarity on the instructions.  It seems a mistake in the first attempt was to set the memory timings and forget about it, which is something you can avoid this time.  Basically, people here are glad to help you with small issues of your overclock, especially ones specific to your case, but I'd imagine they also get tired of repeating information and steps that are already in the guides.
 
Good luck.
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/30 09:13:34 (permalink)
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Yes and i appreciate the help however I inadvertently managed to mess up my overclock settings (lets not forget that the ONLY stable clock so far was the default clock)

OK I will try to give you some pointers since it sounds like you desperately need them:
The quote in red above tells me you have been doing it wrong in the first place. NEVER increase CPU core frequency when you haven't proved the present frequency stable. This includes the Bclock ("CPU base freq") and the core multiplier. You must stabilize each step before moving on to the next step. Your chances of stabilizing a high OC without proving each step stable are quite slim.
 
You have too many things set to "auto." Do not leave them that way for OC, the default values will change on you and you will never notice until you have been fighting with it for days, and then you will see it and shout a few expletives. Save yourself the trouble.
 
"OC Recovery            [DISABLED]"
What do you suppose this is for? Maybe for Ocing? Yes. Enable it, as I said 16 posts ago. It will save you having to reset CMOS to recover from a bad OC setting. It allows the BIOS to enter "safe mode" when your setting is too far off, so you can redo your BIOS settings without having to start from scratch again. I will not tell you this again.
 
GL.

Main (gaming) rig: i7-3930K; Asus Rampage IV Extreme; H100 W/p-p Excaliburs, AS5; MSI 7870 2GD5/OC; Crucial M4 SSD 256GB.
See my primary ModsRigs: Adam for the rest, and I have a second (wife's) rig Asus Rampage III Extreme & 960: Eve.

   
Overclocking is useless to me if it is not rock stable.
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Re:Still Trying! Help 4.0Ghz and higher! 2011/07/30 12:57:37 (permalink)
Well I got it bulletproof stable and at low temps with very little voltage , the only caveat is that i only Pushed it to 4.0Ghz but for the minute that's awesome heres the template i used to get there:
 
Oh it passed 20 runs of linX and 10.5 hours overnight of Prime 95 on Large FFT.
 
                My System Template



    Components   

Mother Board (EVGA x58 Classified E760)
Drivers (Mobo Drivers 9.1.2.1008)
Bios (EVGA version 82)
CPU (Intel Core I7 970@ 3.2 GHz)
CPU Cooler (Water Cooled with an EK Supreme waterblock for CPU)
Memory (OCZ Gold 6GB Budget RAM Kit PN - OCZ3G2000LV6GK)
PSU (Corsair AX 1200 Modular PSU)
GPU (EVGA Radeon 5970 Black Edition w/EK full coverage water block for 5970)
Drivers (11.7)
Operating System ( Windows 7 64 Ultimate )



    Power Management Settings

ACPI function            [ENABLED]
ACPI suspend type        [S1 (POS)]
xrunvgabios if S3 RESUME      AUTO
Soft off by power button    [Instant-Off]
wake up by PCI card        [ENABLED]
xUSB KB wake-up from S3         DISABLED
resume by alarm            [DISABLED]
xdate(of month) alarm        0
xtime(hh:mm:ss) alarm        0 : 0 : 0
HPET support            [ENABLED]
HPET mode             [64-bit mode]
power on function        [DISABLED]
xhot key power on          CTRL-F1
PWRON after PWR-FAIL        [OFF]

    PNP/PCI CONFIGURATIONS

Init display first        [PCI EX]
Reset configuration data    [DISABLED]
Resources controlled by        [AUTO(ESCD)]
xIRQ Resources            Press Enter
PCI/VGA Palette snoop        [DISABLED]
INT PIN 1            [AUTO]
INT PIN 2            [AUTO]
INT PIN 3            [AUTO]
INT PIN 4            [AUTO]
INT PIN 5            [AUTO]
INT PIN 6            [AUTO]
INT PIN 7            [AUTO]
INT PIN 8            [AUTO]
Reserved RC for bridge        [DISABLED]


**PCI EXPRESS RELATIVE ITEMS**
Maximum payload size [128]

    Frequency/Voltage Control

Dummy OC            [DISABLED]
Extreme Cooling            [DISABLED]
CPU clock ratio            [24x]
CPU host frequency        [167]
xTarget CPU frequency        4016Mhz (167x24)
xTarget Memory frequency    1338Mhz
MCH strap            [AUTO]
CPU Uncore frequency (Mhz)    [AUTO]
CPU Clock Skew            [0PS]
IOH Clock Skew            [0PS]
Spread Spectrum            [DISABLED]
PCIE Frequency         (Mhz)    [100]
OC Recovery            [ENABLED]
Turbo Performance        [DISABLED]

EVGA VDROOP control        [Without VDROOP]
CPU V CORE            [1.30000v]        1.30000V
CPU VTT VOLTAGE            [AUTO]            +0mv
CPU PLL VOLTAGE            [AUTO]            1.800V
IOH PLL VCORE            [AUTO]            1.800V
QPI PLL VCORE            [AUTO]            1.100V
DIMM VOLTAGE            [AUTO]            1.500V
DIMM DQ VREF            [+0Mv]            +0mv
IOH VCORE            [AUTO]            1.100V
IOH/ICH I/O VOLTAGE        [AUTO]            1.500V
ICH VCORE            [AUTO]            1.100V
VTT PWM FREQUENCY        [250MHz]        250MHz
CPU PWM FREQUENCY        [800MHZ]        800MHz
CPU IMPEDANCE            [AUTO]            AUTO
QPI SIGNAL COMPENSATION        [AUTO]            AUTO

    Memory Feature
Memory SPD            [STANDARD]
Memory control setting        [ENABLED]
Memory Frequency        [1067Mhz / 2:8]
xTarget memory frequency        1338Mhz
Channel Interleave Setting    [6 way]
Rank interleave setting        [4 way]
Memory low gap            [AUTO]

Parameters                Setting                Current

tCL                    10                10
tRCD                    10                10
tRD                    10                10
tRAS                    30                30
tRFC                    AUTO                74
tREF                    AUTO                637
Command Rate                AUTO                1T
tRRD                    AUTO                5
tRAW                    AUTO                20
tRTP                    AUTO                5
tWR                    AUTO                10
CH1 Round Trip Latency            AUTO                46
CH2 Round Trip Latency            AUTO                48
CH3 Round Trip Latency            AUTO                49
Back to back CAS delay            AUTO                0
tddWrTRd Setting            AUTO                3
tdrWrTRd Setting            AUTO                3
tsrWrTRd Setting            AUTO                15
tddRdTWr Setting            AUTO                12
tdrRdTWr Setting            AUTO                12
tsrRdTWr Setting            AUTO                13
tddRdTRd Setting            AUTO                7
tdrRdTRd Setting            AUTO                6
tsrRdTRd Setting            AUTO                4
tddWrTWr Setting            AUTO                7
tdrWrTWr Setting            AUTO                7
tsrWrTWr Setting            AUTO                4
tRL                    [+0]
tWL                    [+0]


    CPU Feature

Intel Speedstep            [DISABLED]
XTurbo Mode Function        DISABLED
CxE Function            [DISABLED]
Execute Disable Bit        [ENABLED]
virtualization Technology    [DISABLED]


xxxxxLogical Processor Settingxxxxx
Intel HT Technology        [ENABLED]
Active Processor Cores        [ALL]

xxxxxQPI Controller Settingsxxxxx
QPI Control Settings        [ENABLED]
QPI Link Fast Mode        [ENABLED]
QPI Frequency Selection        [AUTO]  
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