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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 17:20:22 (permalink)
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TLDR: EVGA 3090 FTW - 60%+ power and card gives off electric whine, strong enough to affect sound card 4 slots away.
 
So while troubleshooting my issue with audio whine through the EVGA NU soundcard, I discovered that my 3090 is giving off a boatload of EMI. Enough to affect my audio card 4 slots away. So I took off the side panel of my case and noticed that there is a buzzing/whine from the card sometimes. When the buzzing happens, the noise goes through my speakers as well (EMI). It is not coming from the fans I don't think, because the sound happens even when they are set to 0%. This whine only happens when the power % is above 60% according to the latest Precision. when I first installed the latest precision it updated my firmware.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdTF48-BmyA
Video description: Video starts off with with precision saying power @ 50%. 6 seconds in it jumps to 100%. That is when the whine starts.




Try installing Precision X1 ( the one for 3000 series ) when I did and rebooted and started it up there was a bios update for my 3090 FTW3 Ultra, maybe it will help.



Yep, I am on the latest v1.1.0.2. The one at the top of this board.



 
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 17:25:18 (permalink)
Not sure. It was hard to tell in the video
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 19:23:26 (permalink)
Sovled. I updated the original post.


Its my brand new 1000W PSU giving the coil whine.
 
I shoved a mic all around the GPU doing a recording, trying to find the exact spot it was coming from. It was perfectly consistent throughout the card. I decided to close my case and I set the mic down right behind the PSU. The buzzing was 3x louder. So I took it out of the case and ran everything like I have been. 100% confirmed its the PSU. It was buzzing so loud, it echoed through the case and making it sound like it was coming from the GPU. This is the first time I have actually stressed the PSU since I got it, so it probably wasn't visible until it started getting load. Before the 3090 at peak I was pulling maybe 550W on it.






 
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 19:34:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby vgerik1234 2020/09/25 19:46:01
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Sovled. I updated the original post.


Its my brand new 1000W PSU giving the coil whine.
 
I shoved a mic all around the GPU doing a recording, trying to find the exact spot it was coming from. It was perfectly consistent throughout the card. I decided to close my case and I set the mic down right behind the PSU. The buzzing was 3x louder. So I took it out of the case and ran everything like I have been. 100% confirmed its the PSU. It was buzzing so loud, it echoed through the case and making it sound like it was coming from the GPU. This is the first time I have actually stressed the PSU since I got it, so it probably wasn't visible until it started getting load. Before the 3090 at peak I was pulling maybe 550W on it.

 

 
I think EVGA will RMA for that reason, even for a PSU. If multiple PSUs still do it, I am betting the power to the PSU isn't the best - maybe a line conditioner would be in order.
 
You might test different power sockets that are on different breakers around your house. It might be the breaker going, or it could be other stuff plugged into that shared breaker causing a problem. Also, you can always try at a friends house to test as well.
post edited by arestavo - 2020/09/25 19:37:01
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 19:45:54 (permalink)
arestavo
 

 
I think EVGA will RMA for that reason, even for a PSU. If multiple PSUs still do it, I am betting the power to the PSU isn't the best - maybe a line conditioner would be in order.
 
You might test different power sockets that are on different breakers around your house. It might be the breaker going, or it could be other stuff plugged into that shared breaker causing a problem. Also, you can always try at a friends house to test as well.



That info is super freaking helpful. EVGA actually called me directly wanting to make sure everything was okay (I may have been bothering/PM'ing Lee already about my troubleshooting). This is why I exclusively support EVGA. Everyone on the team are rockstars. Anyway, EVGA is RMA'ing the PSU. Once I get the new one I will be sure to throw it around the apartment just for science. 

Would a good UPS theoretically prevent this/act as a line conditioner? There is only so much I am allowed do to my apartment, but its fairly new (15 year old condo style apartment). I am not an ElecEngi so this is getting out of my forte. I only get paid to know about what's in the rack, not outside of it. 

Edit: A quick google I learned of Line-Interactive UPS. Now the question is, if I get a 900W one, would that be sufficient for a 1000W PSU + other things? Or no bueno, I need a higher LI-UPS Wattage? Or I really only need to care about the voltage?
post edited by vgerik1234 - 2020/09/25 19:50:24



 
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 19:54:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby vgerik1234 2020/09/25 20:09:53
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arestavo
 

 
I think EVGA will RMA for that reason, even for a PSU. If multiple PSUs still do it, I am betting the power to the PSU isn't the best - maybe a line conditioner would be in order.
 
You might test different power sockets that are on different breakers around your house. It might be the breaker going, or it could be other stuff plugged into that shared breaker causing a problem. Also, you can always try at a friends house to test as well.



That info is super freaking helpful. EVGA actually called me directly wanting to make sure everything was okay (I may have been bothering/PM'ing Lee already about my troubleshooting). This is why I exclusively support EVGA. Everyone on the team are rockstars. Anyway, EVGA is RMA'ing the PSU. Once I get the new one I will be sure to throw it around the apartment just for science. 

Would a good UPS theoretically prevent this/act as a line conditioner? There is only so much I am allowed do to my apartment, but its fairly new (15 year old condo style apartment). I am not an ElecEngi so this is getting out of my forte. I only get paid to know about what's in the rack, not outside of it. 


A user grade UPS is usually just pass through for power, and doesn't run through the batteries until there is a power loss. There are several classes of UPS that do run from the batteries / power condition - those usually cost quite a bit more and I do not have any experience with them. A line conditioner will be a much cheaper option, but does not provide any battery backup if you lose power / brown out.
 
Edit for your edit:
As long as you don't push more than 900W you should be fine - the UPS will SCREAM at you if it doesn't like the load. FWIW, I run a 1540W UPS for my EVGA 1600T2 and my 5.1.2 sound system, but I don't pull that much when under load. I looked it up, and my UPS is line interactive and does have EFI/RFI filtering.
 
Also, I'm not sure all line interactive UPS' have filtering for noisy input power. I am not an expert there, however.
 
Edit 49:
Looks like my preferred brand does have a 900W line interactive ups with EFI/RFI filtering for ~$150 on Amazon. It's not a pure sine wave UPS, though - just simulated. Depending on how good it is, it might induce coil whine.
 
Pure sine wave is best I've found, as simulated is typically a square wave and can cause coil whine (I had that happen before I swapped to pure sine wave with dual 780 Ti Classifieds that coil whined like mad before I swapped). It's $210, but it's pure sine wave and also has EFI/RFI filtering. Honestly, I'd spring for the pure sine wave UPS and not worry about it.
 
Although it might just be the PSU, and that RMA might fix it :P
post edited by arestavo - 2020/09/25 20:18:37
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 20:18:30 (permalink)
arestavo
 

A user grade UPS is usually just pass through for power, and doesn't run through the batteries until there is a power loss. There are several classes of UPS that do run from the batteries / power condition - those usually cost quite a bit more and I do not have any experience with them. A line conditioner will be a much cheaper option, but does not provide any battery backup if you lose power / brown out.
 
Edit for your edit:
As long as you don't push more than 900W you should be fine - the UPS will SCREAM at you if it doesn't like the load. FWIW, I run a 1540W UPS for my EVGA 1600T2 and my 5.1.2 sound system, but I don't pull that much when under load. I looked it up, and my UPS is line interactive and does have EFI/RFI filtering.
 
Also, I'm not sure all line interactive UPS' have filtering for noisy input power. I am not an expert there, however.
 
Edit 49:
Looks like my preferred brand does have a 900W line interactive ups with EFI/RFI filtering for ~$150 on Amazon. It's not a pure sine wave UPS, though - just simulated. Depending on how good it is, it might induce coil whine. Pure sine wave is best I've found.




I just found a Tripp Lite LI-UPS that has noise filtering with it. Gonna grab one just to be safe for the future. For all I know there was a power flicker during sleep which partially damaged the PSU. Worth the cost for piece of mind knowing my rig has better protection. Thanks for all the new knowledge!
post edited by vgerik1234 - 2020/09/25 20:42:01



 
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 20:20:30 (permalink)
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arestavo
 

A user grade UPS is usually just pass through for power, and doesn't run through the batteries until there is a power loss. There are several classes of UPS that do run from the batteries / power condition - those usually cost quite a bit more and I do not have any experience with them. A line conditioner will be a much cheaper option, but does not provide any battery backup if you lose power / brown out.
 
Edit for your edit:
As long as you don't push more than 900W you should be fine - the UPS will SCREAM at you if it doesn't like the load. FWIW, I run a 1540W UPS for my EVGA 1600T2 and my 5.1.2 sound system, but I don't pull that much when under load. I looked it up, and my UPS is line interactive and does have EFI/RFI filtering.
 
Also, I'm not sure all line interactive UPS' have filtering for noisy input power. I am not an expert there, however.
 
Edit 49:
Looks like my preferred brand does have a 900W line interactive ups with EFI/RFI filtering for ~$150 on Amazon. It's not a pure sine wave UPS, though - just simulated. Depending on how good it is, it might induce coil whine. Pure sine wave is best I've found.




I just found a Tripp Lite LI-UPS that has noise filtering with it. Gonna grab one just to be safe for the future. For all I know there was a power flicker during sleep which partially damaged the PSU. Worth the cost for piece of mind knowing my rig has better protection. Thanks for all the new knowledge!


I edited my post again several times - is it a pure sine wave UPS? Simulated sine wave can induce coil whine, and I highly recommend getting a pure sine wave UPS to have peace of mind since modern, high efficiency PSUs/GPUs don't usually like the square wave simulated sine wave (coil whine being the "not like" part).
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 20:27:56 (permalink)
Glad to hear you figured it out

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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 20:37:24 (permalink)
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I edited my post again several times - is it a pure sine wave UPS? Simulated sine wave can induce coil whine, and I highly recommend getting a pure sine wave UPS to have peace of mind since modern, high efficiency PSUs/GPUs don't usually like the square wave simulated sine wave (coil whine being the "not like" part).


Yep, it's pure sine as long as it's running AC. Battery is simulated, which is fine by me.



 
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 20:39:09 (permalink)
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I edited my post again several times - is it a pure sine wave UPS? Simulated sine wave can induce coil whine, and I highly recommend getting a pure sine wave UPS to have peace of mind since modern, high efficiency PSUs/GPUs don't usually like the square wave simulated sine wave (coil whine being the "not like" part).


Yep, it's pure sine as long as it's running AC. Battery is simulated, which is fine by me.


 
And good luck with the power supply RMA!
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Re: [Solved] 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/10/07 17:19:36 (permalink)
I am having same issues 
 
EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 and brand new EVGA 1000G+ Supernova PSU. with crazy coil whine playing Anno 1800 or COD. 
 
Would it be worth replacing PSU as well?
 
Thanks
 
 
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Re: [Solved] 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2021/01/03 11:56:43 (permalink)
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In the end was the fix? 
Was the UPS the fix or a new PS? (or both)
 
 
post edited by zurvv - 2021/01/03 12:40:29

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Re: [Solved] 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2021/01/04 10:00:13 (permalink)
I was having crazy coil whine on my 3090 ftw3. (It was also shunt mod'd)
In the end the fix was ferrite beads on the power cable coming into the PS and beads on each of the PCI-E cables going into the card. 

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Re: [Solved] 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2022/01/26 07:07:46 (permalink)
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I was having crazy coil whine on my 3090 ftw3. (It was also shunt mod'd)
In the end the fix was ferrite beads on the power cable coming into the PS and beads on each of the PCI-E cables going into the card. 




So replacing the 8 pin coming from the PSU to the GPU solved it for you? 
 
I need to investigate myself with this, I just got a 3090 and this is definitely the first time my 850G2 has been put to the test. Once I load any game the PSU screams at me. I thought it was the GPU, but figured it actually wasn't, then coincidentally ran into this forum post for my exact issue. 
 
Having a 850W still has me concerned, but I know the EVGA cables have those ferrite beads on them, so I may need to further investigate, pull the PSU out and apply a load and check if its just a cable crying or the PSU internals itself. 

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