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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Sunday, June 06, 2021 4:45 PM
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5900X would pair well with that 3080. PCIe 4.0 is mostly irrelevant,yeah.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Sunday, June 06, 2021 4:50 PM
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5900X would pair well with that 3080. PCIe 4.0 is mostly irrelevant,yeah.
PCIe 4.0 is not irrelevant if you get a 4.0 NVMe drive. There is no need for a 5900X for gaming when he has a 3600, plus his current motherboard will not support a 5900X.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Sunday, June 06, 2021 5:00 PM
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The 5800X is an inefficient hotbox in comparison to the 3000-series & all other 5000-series CPUs. I would hold out on ugprading if I were you personally if the 5800X is your most likely upgrade option. The 3600X won't treat you that badly, and it probably runs cooler than the 5800X will. Almost every forum user I've talked to that has a 5800X said they run much hotter than any other 5000-series CPU, reviews also show that. If you're focused purely on gaming, the 5600X is a good alternative, if you need the core count, a 5900X would be better and run cooler.
Also you'll definitely need a motherboard upgrade. Fortunately good B550 motherboards aren't THAT expensive these days.
Do you mean a motherboard upgrade in general or just if I got a newer CPU? I've read that PCIe 4.0 doesn't really make a difference with 30 series cards.
As someone else stated, for video cards, not really, for M.2s, 4.0 is a huge increase. It basically doubles (or more, depending on the drive) every speed. Random I/O more than doubled compared to my previous setup (which was 3.0), read is over twice as fast, write is almost twice as fast. For video cards currently it's not that much of an increase, and it depends greatly on just how much bandwidth you're actually using i.e. high resolution and/or high refresh rate. If you're planning to upgrade CPU you definitely should upgrade motherboard as well, it's pretty much required. As I said in the previous post, if you're very gaming focused, 5600X should be great, if you do other high end multi-tasking, 5900X would be better, but the 5800X is something I would (and did) steer clear of personally. The 5800X is basically the 'bastard' of the 5000-series lineup, it runs hotter, isn't as efficient, and is not worth the price, in comparison to the others.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Sunday, June 06, 2021 5:41 PM
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5900X would pair well with that 3080. PCIe 4.0 is mostly irrelevant,yeah.
PCIe 4.0 is not irrelevant if you get a 4.0 NVMe drive. There is no need for a 5900X for gaming when he has a 3600, plus his current motherboard will not support a 5900X.
I would agree on the if  and agree on 3600. PCIe 4.0 NVMe is nice, but I wouldn't upgrade to it just for sake of upgrading, especially if it involves a MBO change to unleash it's full potential as benefits for a GPU going from PCIe 3.0 to 4.0 is really not that big when running on x16 slot. Good PCIe 3.0 NVMe is really fast enough for current gaming and in the near future. If we were talking about a web server or heavy database I would consider a PCIe 4.0 NVMe drive, but only if it can improve performance of the server. I'm currently running a KC2500 1TB and this is really a fast PCIe 3.0 drive. Don't see even remotely the need for a faster one for productivity / gaming / video editing etc. Also I would rather wait for a few years when PCIe 4.0 NVMe will not need a special cooler / will not get hot so much + currently prices of all SSD and HDD are inflated due to chia (pre)mining, so if you can't have a normal price for an upgrade I would skip upgrading the drives if you really don't need to. On the other hand I would definitely think of upgrading the 3600, but only if it's a confirmed bottleneck of the system. If so, I would change almost everything, i.e. a B550 MBO + 5900x if you can afford it (avoid 5800x, just not worth it), memory if needed (or overclock it as 5000 series can benefit a bit due to better IMC). 3080 is really a nice card and 3600 could be a bottleneck, but probably only on low resolutions or very demanding CPU titles (simulations), which doesn't have to be case at all. Also, something to keep in mind, AM5 is already round the corner and if I was buying now having already a 3000 CPU and a non-B550 / X570 MBO that still meet my needs, I wouldn't upgrade, but would save money for AM5 and probably DDR5 and pair it afterwards with a 3080. For ones who have a B550/X570 I would suggest to buy 5000 CPU that matches their needs in the long run and switch to AM5, but in it's 2nd iteration or switch to Intel, whoever will offer the most.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Sunday, June 06, 2021 5:57 PM
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The 5800X is an inefficient hotbox in comparison to the 3000-series & all other 5000-series CPUs. I would hold out on ugprading if I were you personally if the 5800X is your most likely upgrade option. The 3600X won't treat you that badly, and it probably runs cooler than the 5800X will. Almost every forum user I've talked to that has a 5800X said they run much hotter than any other 5000-series CPU, reviews also show that. If you're focused purely on gaming, the 5600X is a good alternative, if you need the core count, a 5900X would be better and run cooler.
Also you'll definitely need a motherboard upgrade. Fortunately good B550 motherboards aren't THAT expensive these days.
Do you mean a motherboard upgrade in general or just if I got a newer CPU? I've read that PCIe 4.0 doesn't really make a difference with 30 series cards.
As someone else stated, for video cards, not really, for M.2s, 4.0 is a huge increase. It basically doubles (or more, depending on the drive) every speed. Random I/O more than doubled compared to my previous setup (which was 3.0), read is over twice as fast, write is almost twice as fast. For video cards currently it's not that much of an increase, and it depends greatly on just how much bandwidth you're actually using i.e. high resolution and/or high refresh rate.
If you're planning to upgrade CPU you definitely should upgrade motherboard as well, it's pretty much required. As I said in the previous post, if you're very gaming focused, 5600X should be great, if you do other high end multi-tasking, 5900X would be better, but the 5800X is something I would (and did) steer clear of personally. The 5800X is basically the 'bastard' of the 5000-series lineup, it runs hotter, isn't as efficient, and is not worth the price, in comparison to the others.
Just wrote similar in the meantime. Totally agree with avoiding 5800x, too hot, too expensive for the performance it provides. 5600x for lighter use, 5900x for everything else. The only thing that 5600x is not a big upgrade for OP coming from a 3600, so I wouldn't change the MBO because of it. Don't get me wrong 5600x is a really nice CPU, not really cheap unfortunately (3600 still beats if in value), but beats 3700x on single thread and almost matches multithreaded work, all with a lower power consumption, so basically it's the go-to for gaming as you can even skimp a bit on the PSU wattage (if a high quality PSU is used and you don't mind the extra noise if it ramps up) due to lower power requirements.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Sunday, June 06, 2021 5:59 PM
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Currently have a Ryzen 3600 and worried about the potential bottleneck. Wondering about grabbing a 5800x, since they've actually been in stock lately. I'd also need a new motherboard.
I would wait till 2022 when am5 comes out Thus said, I am planing upgrade from 3950x to 5900x, but it is purely based on new build since im getting new mobo and i might skip first gen in am5 Unless you are streaming while playing, I don't think many games can evenly take your 12threads Easiest way for you to see when you get a card, check if you bottleneck AMD has caught up on supply and I don't foresee any sell outs anytime soon Single store chain in Canada has over 200 units available of 5900x. but AMD does put priority on higher end CPUs still
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Sunday, June 06, 2021 6:01 PM
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I would agree on the if and agree on 3600.
PCIe 4.0 NVMe is nice, but I wouldn't upgrade to it just for sake of upgrading****
Oh I would. I love a fast snappy system and a 4.0 NMVe drive speeds up everything you do on a pc. Open a browser, bang it's there, open a webpage, bang it's there (depending on your internet speed). Even on my main Intel rig it takes two 3.0 NVMe drive in Raid 0 to match/beat what one good NMVe 4.0 drive does.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Sunday, June 06, 2021 6:27 PM
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I would agree on the if and agree on 3600.
PCIe 4.0 NVMe is nice, but I wouldn't upgrade to it just for sake of upgrading****
Oh I would. I love a fast snappy system and a 4.0 NMVe drive speeds up everything you do on a pc. Open a browser, bang it's there, open a webpage, bang it's there (depending on your internet speed). Even on my main Intel rig it takes two 3.0 NVMe drive in Raid 0 to match/beat what one good NMVe 4.0 drive does.
Faster, sure, there no doubt about it, and you've shaved <0,1s of first loading time of the browser and maybe 1-2 seconds on power up, and that is just maybe. Every other webpage you open afterwards is not snappy due to NVMe itself, but your memory, or to better put it availability of it. First accessing the code that runs the browser and afterwards loading objects into memory. If you run out of available memory than NVMe speed again matters, but it's hardly noticeable as the system tends to do it in the background, this process is called swapping. Once you run out of swap space the system will slow down significantly at it will try to free memory somehow or it will crash. To put it simply, all the money spent extra on a 4.0 NVMe drive would be better used in increasing the memory size (less chance of hitting the limit when multitasking, less swapping) or speed of it (only if you already have enough of it) or spent on a more capable CPU that will crunch the task(s) faster. That will increase the snappiness of the system overall and not just on the first loading time. P.S. This advice may change in the future as there are some new applications being implemented using NVMe drives, but non related to browsers specifically 
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Sunday, June 06, 2021 7:00 PM
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I would agree on the if and agree on 3600.
PCIe 4.0 NVMe is nice, but I wouldn't upgrade to it just for sake of upgrading****
Oh I would. I love a fast snappy system and a 4.0 NMVe drive speeds up everything you do on a pc. Open a browser, bang it's there, open a webpage, bang it's there (depending on your internet speed). Even on my main Intel rig it takes two 3.0 NVMe drive in Raid 0 to match/beat what one good NMVe 4.0 drive does.
Faster, sure, there no doubt about it, and you've shaved <0,1s of first loading time of the browser and maybe 1-2 seconds on power up, and that is just maybe.
Every other webpage you open afterwards is not snappy due to NVMe itself, but your memory, or to better put it availability of it. First accessing the code that runs the browser and afterwards loading objects into memory.
You're completely leaving out caching. Loading out of the cache on the NVMe drive is much faster then having to download it again. Images - logos, pictures, backgrounds, etc. cookies, HTML, CSS and JavaScript are all cached. I'll never ever go back to an SSD again. Only SSD I have right now are used as like a Flash Drive just for file transferring to other computers.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Sunday, June 06, 2021 7:34 PM
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Yes, SSD for M2 slot are really fast and they're not that expensive anymore.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Sunday, June 06, 2021 8:29 PM
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I would agree on the if and agree on 3600.
PCIe 4.0 NVMe is nice, but I wouldn't upgrade to it just for sake of upgrading****
Oh I would. I love a fast snappy system and a 4.0 NMVe drive speeds up everything you do on a pc. Open a browser, bang it's there, open a webpage, bang it's there (depending on your internet speed). Even on my main Intel rig it takes two 3.0 NVMe drive in Raid 0 to match/beat what one good NMVe 4.0 drive does.
Faster, sure, there no doubt about it, and you've shaved <0,1s of first loading time of the browser and maybe 1-2 seconds on power up, and that is just maybe.
Every other webpage you open afterwards is not snappy due to NVMe itself, but your memory, or to better put it availability of it. First accessing the code that runs the browser and afterwards loading objects into memory.
You're completely leaving out caching. Loading out of the cache on the NVMe drive is much faster then having to download it again. Images - logos, pictures, backgrounds, etc. cookies, HTML, CSS and JavaScript are all cached. I'll never ever go back to an SSD again. Only SSD I have right now are used as like a Flash Drive just for file transferring to other computers.
We are talking about NVMe 3.0 vs. NVMe 4.0 here, where the difference is negligible in real case scenarios concerning web browsing, and again only happening for the first run / site load, as again it will be cached in memory afterwards. If you open a new site, it will have to load objects from the web, so much less cache hits. I.e. if you are loading 200 cached objects for a webpage with 1MB each object, that would account for 200MB (really an overkill amount for a web page) that would take a 3.0 NVMe around 0,06s to fetch from cache and 4.0 NVMe half of that minimum, so the difference in loading time would be 0,03s at most and again only the first time you load that site, browsing on that site won't trigger a cache reload as the objects are stored in memory. The cache would be hit again if you browse some other site, but as previously mentioned the difference is negligible. I would say that network congestion and network latency can have more negative effects on pages being loaded than cache using NVMe 3.0 instead of 4.0. We are not talking about NVMe vs. SATA or M2 SSD, there a significant differences which probably could be noticed.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Sunday, June 06, 2021 8:40 PM
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I would agree on the if and agree on 3600.
PCIe 4.0 NVMe is nice, but I wouldn't upgrade to it just for sake of upgrading****
Oh I would. I love a fast snappy system and a 4.0 NMVe drive speeds up everything you do on a pc. Open a browser, bang it's there, open a webpage, bang it's there (depending on your internet speed). Even on my main Intel rig it takes two 3.0 NVMe drive in Raid 0 to match/beat what one good NMVe 4.0 drive does.
Faster, sure, there no doubt about it, and you've shaved <0,1s of first loading time of the browser and maybe 1-2 seconds on power up, and that is just maybe.
Every other webpage you open afterwards is not snappy due to NVMe itself, but your memory, or to better put it availability of it. First accessing the code that runs the browser and afterwards loading objects into memory.
You're completely leaving out caching. Loading out of the cache on the NVMe drive is much faster then having to download it again. Images - logos, pictures, backgrounds, etc. cookies, HTML, CSS and JavaScript are all cached. I'll never ever go back to an SSD again. Only SSD I have right now are used as like a Flash Drive just for file transferring to other computers.
We are talking about NVMe 3.0 vs. NVMe 4.0 here, where the difference is negligible in real case scenarios concerning web browsing, and again only happening for the first run / site load, as again it will be cached in memory afterwards. If you open a new site, it will have to load objects from the web, so much less cache hits.
I.e. if you are loading 200 cached objects for a webpage with 1MB each object, that would account for 200MB (really an overkill amount for a web page) that would take a 3.0 NVMe around 0,06s to fetch from cache and 4.0 NVMe half of that minimum, so the difference in loading time would be 0,03s at most and again only the first time you load that site, browsing on that site won't trigger a cache reload as the objects are stored in memory. The cache would be hit again if you browse some other site, but as previously mentioned the difference is negligible.
I would say that network congestion and network latency can have more negative effects on pages being loaded than cache using NVMe 3.0 instead of 4.0.
We are not talking about NVMe vs. SATA or M2 SSD, there a significant differences which probably could be noticed.
I can tell you right now with first hand experience that the faster your drive is the faster webpages will load (depending on your internet speed). There is no more discussion about it for me. A 4.0 NVMe drive will make you system much more snappy and it takes two 3.0 NVMe drive in Raid 0 to get the same experience.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Sunday, June 06, 2021 8:42 PM
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On what motherboard they fitted?
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Sunday, June 06, 2021 10:35 PM
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I would agree on the if and agree on 3600.
PCIe 4.0 NVMe is nice, but I wouldn't upgrade to it just for sake of upgrading****
Oh I would. I love a fast snappy system and a 4.0 NMVe drive speeds up everything you do on a pc. Open a browser, bang it's there, open a webpage, bang it's there (depending on your internet speed). Even on my main Intel rig it takes two 3.0 NVMe drive in Raid 0 to match/beat what one good NMVe 4.0 drive does.
Faster, sure, there no doubt about it, and you've shaved <0,1s of first loading time of the browser and maybe 1-2 seconds on power up, and that is just maybe.
Every other webpage you open afterwards is not snappy due to NVMe itself, but your memory, or to better put it availability of it. First accessing the code that runs the browser and afterwards loading objects into memory.
You're completely leaving out caching. Loading out of the cache on the NVMe drive is much faster then having to download it again. Images - logos, pictures, backgrounds, etc. cookies, HTML, CSS and JavaScript are all cached. I'll never ever go back to an SSD again. Only SSD I have right now are used as like a Flash Drive just for file transferring to other computers.
We are talking about NVMe 3.0 vs. NVMe 4.0 here, where the difference is negligible in real case scenarios concerning web browsing, and again only happening for the first run / site load, as again it will be cached in memory afterwards. If you open a new site, it will have to load objects from the web, so much less cache hits.
I.e. if you are loading 200 cached objects for a webpage with 1MB each object, that would account for 200MB (really an overkill amount for a web page) that would take a 3.0 NVMe around 0,06s to fetch from cache and 4.0 NVMe half of that minimum, so the difference in loading time would be 0,03s at most and again only the first time you load that site, browsing on that site won't trigger a cache reload as the objects are stored in memory. The cache would be hit again if you browse some other site, but as previously mentioned the difference is negligible.
I would say that network congestion and network latency can have more negative effects on pages being loaded than cache using NVMe 3.0 instead of 4.0.
We are not talking about NVMe vs. SATA or M2 SSD, there a significant differences which probably could be noticed.
I can tell you right now with first hand experience that the faster your drive is the faster webpages will load (depending on your internet speed). There is no more discussion about it for me. A 4.0 NVMe drive will make you system much more snappy and it takes two 3.0 NVMe drive in Raid 0 to get the same experience.
There is none to argue. A little bit faster page loads on NVMe 4.0 or Raid 0 on 2 x NVMe 3.0 vs. single NVMe 3.0. can't be wrong, but "much more snappy" part is an overstatement IMO. I'm sure you have a lot experience and probably do see a difference, but do a blind test on the same platform with good NVMe drives. I'm sure that most if not all people just wouldn't notice the difference, especially if they are occupied by anything else but starring at the screen. Regarding gaming I fully agree with the 1st google search that came up, as taken from techspot: "Storage Game Loading Test: PCIe 4.0 SSD vs. PCIe 3.0 vs. SATA vs. HDD" Conclusion: "what has become blatantly clear from this test is that it doesn’t matter what sort of SSD you have for gaming, so long as it’s an SSD of some sort." and "There's also little difference between different SSD specifications. PCIe 4.0 vs 3.0 provides essentially no benefit in most cases, especially compared to a top-end PCIe 3.0 drive. QLC memory is not slower than TLC for reading game files. Having a DRAM cache is also not important for game loading. The only specification that has some influence is whether the SSD is SATA or PCIe, with SATA being slightly slower, but beyond that, other specs are rather meaningless for gaming." There is just way too much hype in the PC market right now, everybody wants to oversell the benefits, which is normal, but I'm for one not buying it. P.S. Not planning to turn this into a flame war, everybody knows which is faster, but this is just my point of view, I simply just not consider NVMe 4.0 worth the extra money for regular tasks as gaming, productivity work etc., on the other hand once the prices drop sure, I will pick up NVMe 4.0 also instead of NVMe 3.0, maybe we can even expect NVMe 5.0 soon, who knows, but the point of diminishing return is already here, except for professional applications where the difference could be substantial.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Sunday, June 06, 2021 10:50 PM
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Any Ampere GPU is not performance limited when running on PCIe 4.0 8x, that means you can run additional NVMe drives in the other CPU PCIe slots, possibly RAID 0, or other cards. Important if you need more IO for your use case but don't want to shell out for HEDT. To me that's the most best selling point for PCIe 4.0, not flat out sequential drive speeds. However only certain MB's have their 2nd and 3rd 16x slot CPU attached.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Monday, June 07, 2021 7:48 AM
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i think you need to upgrade your cpu
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Monday, June 07, 2021 7:55 AM
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Yes, you will need to upgrade if you don't want any bottlenecking of the 3080ti. The 5800x should be plenty of power for the GPU then. But you can always wait as I'm sure you will still be able to run games just fine 
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Monday, June 07, 2021 7:58 AM
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Yes, you will need to upgrade if you don't want any bottlenecking of the 3080ti. The 5800x should be plenty of power for the GPU then. But you can always wait as I'm sure you will still be able to run games just fine
i have 9700k, would be ok with 3080ti?
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
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I recently upgraded from a 3800x to a 5800x just because I got a good deal and sold my 3800x. Basically it provides around 10-15% FPS increase in most scenarios. 3600 will still do fine, but if you want to get the most out of your GPU, consider upgrading. Keep in mind that 5800x is quite hot though.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Monday, June 07, 2021 12:26 AM
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You're going to bottleneck it if you dont upgrade.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Monday, June 07, 2021 3:41 PM
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Well I hope you have money growing on a tree with all these recommendations.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Monday, June 07, 2021 3:44 PM
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it depands on ur upgrade deals as it worth the money vs preformance
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Monday, June 07, 2021 3:51 PM
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Depends on resolution. I'm outputting at 4K so often the fps won't stress the CPU at all, even on demanding titles.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Monday, June 07, 2021 4:03 PM
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HeyPablo
Depends on resolution. I'm outputting at 4K so often the fps won't stress the CPU at all, even on demanding titles.
Also refresh rate. Running 4k 60fps, 3600 probably wouldn't be a bottleneck. But at 1080p 240hz, for example, it definitely will be.
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Monday, June 07, 2021 4:06 PM
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You definitely bottlenecking with 3600
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Monday, June 07, 2021 5:45 PM
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Monday, June 07, 2021 6:19 PM
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Monday, June 07, 2021 6:24 PM
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depends if you playing at 4k or not. at 4k you wont use the cpu that much as at 1080p
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Re: Should I upgrade my CPU to go with a 3080ti?
Tuesday, June 08, 2021 6:23 PM
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depends if you playing at 4k or not. at 4k you wont use the cpu that much as at 1080p
Sometimes I use my OLED TV, but I mostly game on a 1440p ultrawide monitor.
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