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2020/12/30 07:35:11 (permalink)
This is my second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra to go dark and give no display output. This is a new card after an initial RMA
No display output, fans spinning up and down. Card cannot be seen in Windows. Tried new cables
Did we ever find a fix for this?
 
Video: https://youtu.be/KC34ousqH3Q
Ignore the higher power fans. I use 3000rpm Noctuas on the WC setup. Also ignore the awful cabling. I tried new cables pulling out my Cablemod cables
 
I cannot believe EVGA are having these problems. I have ordered an EVGA Nvidia card for the last 4 generations, recently coming from two 2080Tis
 
RMA is also closed this week so no chance of gaming this weekend :(
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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 07:42:30 (permalink)
    Well I've got an RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra that has been running perfectly with an 850 watt Corsair PSU and now a 1000 watt Corsair PSU. Can you list all of your system specs?

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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 07:48:20 (permalink)
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    Well I've got an RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra that has been running perfectly with an 850 watt Corsair PSU and now a 1000 watt Corsair PSU. Can you list all of your system specs?



    Well seems you are a lucky one Mr. Forum Mod :) Plenty of posts here showing major issues with these cards
     
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    First card would crash during gaming with blackscreen which needed a full system reset. No OC. Stock settings. COD, CP2077, Witcher 3 - all crashed. RMA cross-ship and arrived fairly quickly. Card was made in Taiwan. 
     
    Second card was great until last night when I ran W3 and it full crashed. Then it wouldn't start back up and has that fan issue. No card detected. Can boot from onboard HDMI. Card was made in China. I run fans at 100% when gaming to keep temps low while waiting for the FTW3 EK block. I have closed back headphones do it doesn't bother me. So temp wasn't an issue.
     
    Tried new cables, tried switching BIOS from OC back to Normal.
    Tested card in my other HTPC rig (8700K with 850W PSU) and same fan spinning issue
     
    Thoughts?
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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 07:48:33 (permalink)
    I'd also like to know how you have the video card connected to the PSU. 

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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 07:50:18 (permalink)
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    I'd also like to know how you have the video card connected to the PSU. 



    Via three separate PSU cables coming from the 1200 PSU. This isn't my first rodeo :)
    Originally these were 3x ProMOD cablemod cables. These were the same cables providing power to my two 2080Tis for almost two years
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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 07:53:39 (permalink)
    Are you located in the UK?
     

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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 07:56:01 (permalink)
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    Are you located in the UK?



    I absolutely understand why you'd think that given my tag. I used to be. Now based in Texas, USA. My last card was RMA's from EVGA's California location. I love EVGA and their customer service. I gave collateral - 1799$ - for them to crossship a new 3090. Alas, seems this one went bad too. If you can suggest something that can help then I'd love not to have to RMA this thing again. I can't even use vBIOS flash feature as Windows cannot see the card
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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 07:59:21 (permalink)
    I'm still of the opinion that these issues aren't always card related...but rather something else in your system.
     
    how old is your PSU?
     
     

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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 08:01:16 (permalink)
    ...and this black screen occurs on both HDMI and DP cables? 

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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 08:01:55 (permalink)
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    I'm still of the opinion that these issues aren't always card related...but rather something else in your system.
    how old is your PSU?



    Good question. The PSU is two years old now. I up'd it from 1000 when I added the second 2080Ti. But, as mentioned, it does the same in a separate system with a fairly new 850W PSU and 8700K. Fans spin up and down, and no video output.
     
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    ...and this black screen occurs on both HDMI and DP cables? 



    Yes. And with both monitors (3440x Acer and 2560x DELL secondary) :(
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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 08:02:28 (permalink)
    Well if this is your 2nd Card i doubt both cards have been faulty!


     
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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 08:02:31 (permalink)
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    I'm still of the opinion that these issues aren't always card related...but rather something else in your system.
     
    how old is your PSU?
     
     


    In post number 3 he swapped the card into another system. 

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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 08:05:16 (permalink)
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    Well if this is your 2nd Card i doubt both cards have been faulty!



    That comment makes zero sense. If you're saying "statistically it's unlikely" then that's a better statement. But it's not impossible :) Dont be a fanboy. Help or don't comment with all due respect
     
    I am going to take the card to my pal's house to use his more recent system to see if the card is ok. I think that's best before I RMA it again. More than happy to admit it may be my system which is why I posted. I may even go buy a new PSU and swap it out. But I don't think that will work
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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 08:06:49 (permalink)
    Personally check the card with both a CERTIFIED HDMI and/or a CERTIFIED DP cable. 

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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 08:07:18 (permalink)
    Just got my RMA’d 3090 ftw3 ultra replacement and it’s black lips has the driver 460.97 that’s causing people problems but this card i running like a champ so far. I’m of the opinion some cards are fault. And PS it could be as a fault of PX I’ve uninstalled mine so now I can’t change the funky lighting, plus it wanted to do a firmware update without the option of me saying yes or no I’m sure it was after this pint when it installed the firmware last time that it died

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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 08:10:53 (permalink)
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    Just got my RMA’d 3090 ftw3 ultra replacement and it’s black lips has the driver 460.97 that’s causing people problems but this card i running like a champ so far. I’m of the opinion some cards are fault. And PS it could be as a fault of PX I’ve uninstalled mine so now I can’t change the funky lighting, plus it wanted to do a firmware update without the option of me saying yes or no I’m sure it was after this pint when it installed the firmware last time that it died

     
    My new card has RED lips. I have been reading many posts and saw the BLACK lips were running awesome. I was hoping to see black. Alas, red. 

    rjohnson11
    Personally check the card with both a CERTIFIED HDMI and/or a CERTIFIED DP cable. 


    Will try now. Appreciate the responses. Apologies if I seem frustrated
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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 08:11:18 (permalink)
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    Well if this is your 2nd Card i doubt both cards have been faulty!


    There is more than one report here of peoples cards not only not working, but smoking, getting RMAed and the replacement smoking. Some have even had issue with the 3rd. One might say that there must be something they are doing, but it appears EVGA is processing these RMAs without much resistance, which makes me think they know the card is at fault. Not saying that is always the case.
     
    post edited by rz22g - 2020/12/30 08:13:33
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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 08:17:06 (permalink)
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    There is more than one report here of peoples cards not only not working, but smoking, getting RMAed and the replacement smoking. Some have even had issue with the 3rd. One might say that there must be something they are doing, but it appears EVGA is processing these RMAs without much resistance, which makes me think they know the card is at fault. Not saying that is always the case.



    I agree with your statement here. If you Google "FTW3 3090 black screen" it covers three pages of results. Clearly there is an issue. My card's lips are red and I hear they are more prone. 
     
    As mentioned, I'm going to try the card in my pal's 5900X/X570 system and see if it's my system. Got a new PSU on order anyway
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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 08:25:29 (permalink)
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    There is more than one report here of peoples cards not only not working, but smoking, getting RMAed and the replacement smoking. Some have even had issue with the 3rd. One might say that there must be something they are doing, but it appears EVGA is processing these RMAs without much resistance, which makes me think they know the card is at fault. Not saying that is always the case.



    I agree with your statement here. If you Google "FTW3 3090 black screen" it covers three pages of results. Clearly there is an issue. My card's lips are red and I hear they are more prone. 
     
    As mentioned, I'm going to try the card in my pal's 5900X/X570 system and see if it's my system. Got a new PSU on order anyway


    I've got an X570 with a 5950X AMD processor so this is close to what you have. My card has the RED lips.
     

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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 08:26:27 (permalink)
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    I've got an X570 with a 5950X AMD processor so this is close to what you have. My card has the RED lips.



    Then stop being selfish and send me your fully working card... I mean... sheesh :)
     
    Also that is my pal's system, not mind
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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 08:47:15 (permalink)
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    I've got an X570 with a 5950X AMD processor so this is close to what you have. My card has the RED lips.



    Then stop being selfish and send me your fully working card... I mean... sheesh :)
     
    Also that is my pal's system, not mind


    Yes so I was wondering if you would have the same black screen results on that system or not. 

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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 08:49:24 (permalink)
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    Yes so I was wondering if you would have the same black screen results on that system or not. 



    Understood. If the card works fine then it's my system for sure
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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 09:07:27 (permalink)
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    I'm still of the opinion that these issues aren't always card related...but rather something else in your system.
     
    how old is your PSU?
     
     


    You are all over in every thread when people having issues with their cards and you keep on saying it’s their systems, It’s not the card, you know how insulting that that sounds to some of those guys who have been probably building PC for years and probably knows more than many of us here.
     
    So every person that will have their card malfunctioning should look elsewhere but the card, stop copy and paste your theory, unless you can actually help them.
     
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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 09:13:53 (permalink)
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    You are all over in every thread when people having issues with their cards and you keep on saying it’s their systems, It’s not the card, you know how insulting that that sounds to some of those guys who have been probably building PC for years and probably knows more than many of us here.
    So every person that will have their card malfunctioning should look elsewhere but the card, stop copy and paste your theory, unless you can actually help them.



    Perfect reply tbh dude so thank you. It is indeed fairly insulting to be asked if I think it's "X component". I've been building machines for the last 20 years and, hopefully, I am fairly good at diagnosing issues. 
     
    What I've tried:
    Reseated the GPU in the top slot to make sure it wasn't that
    Bottom GPU slot
    Removing all peripherals attached to the MOBO including PCIe USB card
    Reducing my OC from 5.1 to stock. Memory back to stock
    New cables from the PSU (originally supplied type 4 Corsair cables) to the card
    Getting to windows via 10700k gpu - cannot see the card at all
    Reinstalled NV drivers while in Windows and tried to reboot
    PCIe gen moved to 3 from Auto in BOIS
    New DP and HDMI cables
    Tested the card in a diff machine (8700K + ASrock Z370 + 850W EVGA PSU) only to see the same issue
     
    2-3 hours of back and forth
     
    Final check is in my pal's system then will speak to EVGA when they're back next week :(
     
     
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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 10:47:24 (permalink)
    I had a similar issue with my 2nd EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra.  I'm on my 3rd one due to RMAs for defective cards.  The first one had a different issue.
     
    transdogmifier
    I'm still of the opinion that these issues aren't always card related...but rather something else in your system.
     
    how old is your PSU?



    When I had the black screen issue with the fans spinning up to 100% speed, I was able to duplicate it in two completely different systems(Intel and AMD) with two different power supplies, two different monitors, and three different display port cables.  I also tried a new Sony 4K TV and the same problem happened using that TV as a display.  It had the same issue no matter what displayport cable port I used on the card.  It also did the same issue over HDMI with the monitors and the TV when I tested it that way. 
     
    A pair of watercooled and overclocked 2080 Supers in SLI didn't have the same issue in the same systems even though they draw more power than the 3090 FTW3 ultra.  Neither did three GTX 1070's in 3 way SLI in one system.
     
    I tried every driver version from 457.30 to the latest hotfix with a DDU driver uninstall in between each version.  The same black screen and 100% fans speed problem happened with every driver version in both systems.
     
    I tested the card in both AMD and Intel CPU based PCs.
     
    I tested the card in PCIE gen4 and PCIE gen 3 modes.
     
    I tested the card in different PCIEx16 slots on both motherboards.
     
    Turning G-sync on or off didn't have any effect on the issue.
     
    A fresh windows 10 install with all the latest updates and latest drivers didn't fix the issue.
     
    Different displayport and HDMI cables didn't fix the issue.
     
    I did other troubleshooting that i probably forgot to list.
     
    The power supplies were an EVGA 1300 watt G2 power supply and a Seasonic 850 watt 80+ gold rated power supply.  Both power supplies are 2 to 3 years old.  Three independent cables for each power connector when using the cards in each system.  I also tried it with both a Seasonic 850 watt 80+ gold and a Seasonic 760 watt 80+ platinum power supply only powering the card with a different power supply powering the rest of the system and I duplicated the issue.
     
    The only thing I noticed that caused the problem to happen more often was DX11 games and benchmarks caused the problem more frequently than DX12 games and benchmarks.  With DX11 games and benchmarks, the issue would happen 3 or 4 times in an hour, sometimes more often.  With DX12 games and benchmarks, the issue would be 1 or 2 times an hour.
     
    I received my new card through RMA and the problem went away.
     
    So are you going to now tell me how its an issue with something else in my system causing the problem after all of that troubleshooting?
     
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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 11:12:16 (permalink)
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    I had a similar issue with my 2nd EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra.  I'm on my 3rd one due to RMAs for defective cards.  The first one had a different issue.
     
    transdogmifier
    I'm still of the opinion that these issues aren't always card related...but rather something else in your system.
     
    how old is your PSU?



    When I had the black screen issue with the fans spinning up to 100% speed, I was able to duplicate it in two completely different systems(Intel and AMD) with two different power supplies, two different monitors, and three different display port cables.  I also tried a new Sony 4K TV and the same problem happened using that TV as a display.  It had the same issue no matter what displayport cable port I used on the card.  It also did the same issue over HDMI with the monitors and the TV when I tested it that way. 
     
    A pair of watercooled and overclocked 2080 Supers in SLI didn't have the same issue in the same systems even though they draw more power than the 3090 FTW3 ultra.  Neither did three GTX 1070's in 3 way SLI in one system.
     
    I tried every driver version from 457.30 to the latest hotfix with a DDU driver uninstall in between each version.  The same black screen and 100% fans speed problem happened with every driver version in both systems.
     
    I tested the card in both AMD and Intel CPU based PCs.
     
    I tested the card in PCIE gen4 and PCIE gen 3 modes.
     
    I tested the card in different PCIEx16 slots on both motherboards.
     
    Turning G-sync on or off didn't have any effect on the issue.
     
    A fresh windows 10 install with all the latest updates and latest drivers didn't fix the issue.
     
    Different displayport and HDMI cables didn't fix the issue.
     
    I did other troubleshooting that i probably forgot to list.
     
    The power supplies were an EVGA 1300 watt G2 power supply and a Seasonic 850 watt 80+ gold rated power supply.  Both power supplies are 2 to 3 years old.  Three independent cables for each power connector when using the cards in each system.  I also tried it with both a Seasonic 850 watt 80+ gold and a Seasonic 760 watt 80+ platinum power supply only powering the card with a different power supply powering the rest of the system and I duplicated the issue.
     
    The only thing I noticed that caused the problem to happen more often was DX11 games and benchmarks caused the problem more frequently than DX12 games and benchmarks.  With DX11 games and benchmarks, the issue would happen 3 or 4 times in an hour, sometimes more often.  With DX12 games and benchmarks, the issue would be 1 or 2 times an hour.
     
    I received my new card through RMA and the problem went away.
     
    So are you going to now tell me how its an issue with something else in my system causing the problem after all of that troubleshooting?
     


    You couldn't brake it into more details then that
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    Nice reply dude. Some people are just foolish
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    I had similar problems with my 3090 Hybrid (black screen, fans spinning at 100%) and read that some people are having this issue with Evga Precision X1 or Msi afterburner running.

    I deleted X1 and since then i didnt have any problems anymore, now 2 weeks without any issues.

    Are you running X1 or Afterburner in the background?

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    I had similar problems with my 3090 Hybrid (black screen, fans spinning at 100%) and read that some people are having this issue with Evga Precision X1 or Msi afterburner running.

    I deleted X1 and since then i didnt have any problems anymore, now 2 weeks without any issues.

    Are you running X1 or Afterburner in the background?


    I can't get to windows now bud. So can't remove X1. The card is no longer detected in Windows
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    Re: Second EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra - no display output after hard crash, fans spinning 2020/12/30 11:32:09 (permalink)
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    Gereon83
    I had similar problems with my 3090 Hybrid (black screen, fans spinning at 100%) and read that some people are having this issue with Evga Precision X1 or Msi afterburner running.

    I deleted X1 and since then i didnt have any problems anymore, now 2 weeks without any issues.

    Are you running X1 or Afterburner in the background?


    I can't get to windows now bud. So can't remove X1. The card is no longer detected in Windows


    I also have a i7-10700k on an Hero XII Mobo.

    When i had the issue with my card, i removed the gpu, started the pc again with the onboard gpu from the mobo.

    Removed X1, removed the drivers with DDU, swapped the gpu in again and did a fresh install.

    That did work out for me in the end.

    Just throwing ideas around :)

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