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HardwareTimes - [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended
 
“NVIDIA’s next-gen RTX 40 series lineup will be fabbed on TSMC’s 5nm node. This will, however, not prevent the GPUs from reaching a record power draw of up to 600W. As per a tweet from Greymon55, the top-end ‘Ada Lovelace’ offering will feature over 15,000 cores and require a 1200W power supply for optimum operation. The tipster wasn’t clear on which SKU would draw up to 600W of power, but it’ll likely be the RTX 4090 or the RTX 4090 Ti.
 
Speaking of the RTX 4090 Ti, its predecessor the 3090 Ti will have a TDP of nearly 500W for custom AIB models. The MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Ti SUPRIM X with its 10752 shaders is capable of pushing 1,900 MHz in Extreme Mode. This results in a TDP of 480W, 30W more than the GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X. MSI recommends a 1,000W PSU for the GPU.
 
The RTX 3090 Ti Suprim X will be powered by three 8-pin power connectors in contrast to the RTX 3090 Ti FE’s PCIe Gen 5 power connector. The ASUS ROG Thor 1000W PSU comes with 12-pin power connectors which are what you’ll likely need (ideally) for the RTX 4080, 4080 Ti, 4090, and the 4090 Ti. As per Kopite7kimi, 12-pin and 4-pin power connectors can together supply up to 600W of power which is exactly what the higher-end RTX 40 series SKUs will need.”
 
My thoughts:  Note that this is a RUMOR, but I think it might be close to actuality.  It is also a given that we will see an increase across the board in pricing from NVIDIA and AMD.


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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/18 09:06:57 (permalink)
    I doubt this is true. NVIDIA will be using TSMC for its next gen GPUs at a smaller die shrink, as compared to previous manufacture at Samsung fabs. Next gen video card memory will also require less power. 

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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/18 10:09:50 (permalink)
    Why is this rumor already starting? I understand tech channels want clicks for revenue, but I don’t think the consumer market is going to be the first to get these dies, and once this architecture releases into the server market, then we will have a better idea of what to expect in the consumer side… but that isn’t right now.
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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/18 10:31:38 (permalink)
    I agree we should wait for the reviews before jumping conclusions, but then again i always knew they would go nuclear. 🤔 should i start creating the iron man chest piece reactor😳

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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/18 10:37:25 (permalink)
    Sounds like we are going to need it.  Where is Tony when you neeed him?
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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/18 10:44:04 (permalink)
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    Sounds like we are going to need it.  Where is Tony when you neeed him?

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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/18 10:51:31 (permalink)
    close to plausible ,.. but Nvidia will put out specs saying a 750 W should be ok....
    ... then wait for users to all wonder why their systems keep shutting off .

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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/18 10:51:48 (permalink)
    I have a theory that if you replace 4090 with 3090 and google search you will find the same article as a rumor around June 2020. I honestly remember when people talked about a 3080Ti (before we knew the 3080 and 3090 were the launch cards) and guessing the need would be 1000W PSU.

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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/18 11:22:34 (permalink)
    I dunno, while not entirely far fetched for the boutique models like the probable K|ngp|n, Strix or HoF cards, I can't see Nvidia releasing a 600w GPU to the home market anytime soon. I would bet on a references spec TDP around 400w at the most. I just can't see Nvidia trying to sell a GPU that will require 99% of the potential user base to upgrade their PSUs. It'll probably have a "recommended" 800w or 850w PSU if I had to guess. 

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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/18 11:49:20 (permalink)
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    The RTX 3090 Ti Suprim X will be powered by three 8-pin power connectors in contrast to the RTX 3090 Ti FE’s PCIe Gen 5 power connector. The ASUS ROG Thor 1000W PSU comes with 12-pin power connectors which are what you’ll likely need (ideally) for the RTX 4080, 4080 Ti, 4090, and the 4090 Ti. As per Kopite7kimi, 12-pin and 4-pin power connectors can together supply up to 600W of power which is exactly what the higher-end RTX 40 series SKUs will need.”
     
     

    I believe the article has some truth.  The 12pin (+4 signal lane) connectors are confirmed future tech as pointed out above.  The ROG Thor II PSUs are actually already available in other countries (Japan) although the 12-pin connectors would be going unused as of today's date.
     
    Where I have a question is:  will existing PSU's have some sort of adapter cable that connects to two 8 pins -> a single 12 pin connector?  And what about the 4 signal lanes?   Also,  You would think that the new 12 pin +4 connectors are on a single 12v rail..  so how would this work with multiple 8-pins?  Can anyone with some electrical engineering knowledge explain if adapter cables will even be a thing or if 40 series or will we need all new PSUs to power these top end 40 series GPUs?
     
    I feel like Asus might have jumped the gun on announcing the ROG Thor II's with the 12-pin..  But with all the crazy deals on 600-1000w PSUs that have been happening over the last 3 months, you can only imagine that the entire PSU industry is about to turn a corner with a whole new generation of PSUs with 12-pin connectors. 

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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/18 13:14:49 (permalink)
    As I put in the article, this is a rumor and we will probably see a lot more in about three to four months. 
     
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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/18 15:50:26 (permalink)
    Just give me a separate chip attached to the motherboard that deals.with the extra loads of graphics like AMD/Nvidia chip there i said it give me credit for all the ideas you stole from me you GPU hippies🤣🤣
    That way mobos will take the wattage load from the GPU

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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/18 18:00:44 (permalink)
    This is getting ridiculous. New fangled PSU, 600W power draw, new connector, motherboard power assist. What’s next, no cooler with the card as you need a third party one like for the CPU. The water blocks for these will need to displace quite a bit of heat and they will require 2 360mm radiators. We are moving to a separate case and MORA for the GPU. Crazy.



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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/18 19:34:36 (permalink)
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    Just give me a separate chip attached to the motherboard that deals.with the extra loads of graphics like AMD/Nvidia chip there i said it give me credit for all the ideas you stole from me you GPU hippies🤣🤣
    That way mobos will take the wattage load from the GPU



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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/19 01:30:12 (permalink)
    gpu's are consuming more. cpu's are also starting to consuming more..
     
    i really don't see this ending well..
     
    its supposed to reduce consumption not raise it

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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/19 01:38:30 (permalink)
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    gpu's are consuming more. cpu's are also starting to consuming more..
     
    i really don't see this ending well..
     
    its supposed to reduce consumption not raise it


    I expect top end 4090 cards to need a beefy PSU but not 1200 watts or more. 

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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/19 05:25:23 (permalink)
    If any of this is true concerning power specifications, then at some point consumers may put the brakes to this, or something/someone else will.  With the increased power requirements and escalating costs, component and energy, I think that the response of consumers could be to just pull back.
     
    As for the article, I again reiterate that it is RUMOR and like many of these article there could be specks of real information.  These specks in other articles give you a hint of what may actually be true.


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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/19 12:14:57 (permalink)
    I know it is prudent to notate that this is rumor, but we already have industry confirmation that future PSUs will be incorporating these 12-pin connectors to support next gen GPU power requirements (up to 600w for 12 pin), speaking specifically about info Asus posted about their upcoming PSUs on their website back in Oct:
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    "The ROG Thor series isn’t just poised to provide clean, reliable power in large quantities today. They’ll prepare your PC for the future, too. The PCI Express 5.0 standard includes a new high-capacity auxiliary connector that packs 12 conductors into a single cable. For assured compatibility with components that use this future connector, we’re including one in the box with each ROG Thor PSU to make life easier for system builders that can take advantage of these durable PSUs for the long haul."
     
    I know the term "components" is vague, but piece all the other info out there and this is more than plausible confirmation that we can run with.
     
    It just puts anyone who is trying to put together a new z690 build that is future proof and ready for 40 series into a tail-spin..  

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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/20 02:49:17 (permalink)
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    I know it is prudent to notate that this is rumor, but we already have industry confirmation that future PSUs will be incorporating these 12-pin connectors to support next gen GPU power requirements (up to 600w for 12 pin), speaking specifically about info Asus posted about their upcoming PSUs on their website back in Oct:
    https://rog.asus.com/arti...ium-platinum-ii-intro/
     
    "The ROG Thor series isn’t just poised to provide clean, reliable power in large quantities today. They’ll prepare your PC for the future, too. The PCI Express 5.0 standard includes a new high-capacity auxiliary connector that packs 12 conductors into a single cable. For assured compatibility with components that use this future connector, we’re including one in the box with each ROG Thor PSU to make life easier for system builders that can take advantage of these durable PSUs for the long haul."
     
    I know the term "components" is vague, but piece all the other info out there and this is more than plausible confirmation that we can run with.
     
    It just puts anyone who is trying to put together a new z690 build that is future proof and ready for 40 series into a tail-spin..  




    so bottom line
     
    the rumors might be true because the hardware for it is being announced!

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    Re: [Rumor] NVIDIA RTX 4090/4090 Ti to Draw up to 600W of Power, 1200W PSU Recommended 2022/01/20 13:39:54 (permalink)
    Miguell
     
    so bottom line
     
    the rumors might be true because the hardware for it is being announced!


    Yes.  I believe Asus probably let the cat out of the bag here and maybe wasn't supposed to (due to NDA /info embargo), but things like this do happen.  These PSUs were supposed to be released in November (per the article), but there still hasn't been a NA release..  I'm thinking Asus got slapped us a little by nvidia and told to put the kibosh on it.  That part is pure speculation on my part.

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