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Evening fellow PC enthusiasts.
 
I thought I would share with you all my experience on "modding" my "EVGA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA GAMING, 08G-P5" cooling-wise. I saw some older forum posts about this as well, so this is in no way a "How-To", just my 2 cents on the topic. Maybe I save someone from a headache.
 
As soon as I got my 3060Ti I decided to replace thermal paste and pads as I read on the iNteRneT that its a good idea if you want to do some occasional mining when you don't use your system.
Spoiler alert: It's not.
 
I took my card to someone who supposedly knew what he was doing. While disassembling my card, we found that the paste on the GPU itself was rock hard already. Since this was like this from the factory, I suppose it's normal? GPU had good temps before this so not sure but it was completely dry.
After cleaing the card from the putty he used some cheap ass blue thermal pads, and since he did not have the proper sizes, he stacked a few. Without pusing the air out from between the 2 layers. Needless to say, temps went FUBAR and he was obviously not on top of his game. So I decided to fix it myself.
 
It took me a week to do proper research, ask around in local discord groups and ordering good quality materials before I tried again.
EVGA was seemingly using good quality thermal Putty that is impossible to get your hands on in Europe. After some research, I found a compound named "TG-PP10". Supposedly it's what factories use as well but I couldn't find any confirmation on this.
Since Putty was not an option due to lack of resellers I bought Thermal Grizzly minus pads(0,5;2;3mm)and kryonaut paste to start over and I barely managed to get back factory temps. Maybe a couple degrees lower on the GPU itself. Unfortunately, there are no VRM temp meters, so I have no clue if it's worse or better during mining, but it's stable again on the same OC settings it was on with factory pads.
 
I'll attach a picture of the finished product. Definitely not clean, but it works. I applied pressure to the pads so they can cover more surface, moving more heat. Then added a second layer where it was needed.
Unfortunately, I did not take pictures of the back of the card. EVGA only puts thermal pads behind the GPU, I extended it for the back of the VRMs and VCores plus the 2 Vmem-s as well.(Its reeeeaally hot) I basically covered the back whereever it had any sort of chip on the other side. :)

All in all, I had fun with this project, but would not recommend to anyone.
 

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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/12 10:41:04 (permalink)
I would never do things like that before the warranty expires because i think you lose it this way and therefore your whole investment if the card gets broken. After that it´s another story and i can recommend you Arctic MX-2 till MX-5 compound for future actions because i always have best results on GPU´s and CPU´s with it.

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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/12 10:42:26 (permalink)
EVGA does not void your waranity if you mess with the cooling. Unless its physical or water damage, waranity still stands.
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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/12 10:46:42 (permalink)
Even if the card gets overheated by changing compounds and pads? That would really surprise me. Anyway you have to cut the seal for that don´t you?

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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/12 10:49:42 (permalink)
Sticker is only there to let the engineer know that the card was tampered with right at the start.
This was on this forum somewhere, written by an EVGA staff member. Don't take my word for it, have a quick search.

Burning up phisical components on the card counts as physical damage i guess. But thats pretty hard to do with all the failsafes. :D
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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/12 10:52:55 (permalink)
I see.

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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/12 10:56:18 (permalink)
After having replaced stock air coolers with water blocks and vice versa on several generations of Cards, I can assure you there is no drama if you prepare yourself:
1. Use the proper rated thermal pads, preferably stock. In most cases if you're careful disassembling you can re-use the same pads or order a set direct from Evga.
2. Never stack thermal pads, this is wrong in all ways.
3. Never use thermal grease on top of thermal pads, again wrong in all ways.
4. Order the thermal putty from Evga
5. Watch some you tube videos of the procedure, in all honesty all you're doing is removing the backplate then the pcb from the air cooler, quite simple.

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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/12 10:57:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby zokeszt 2022/01/12 11:06:56
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Even if the card gets overheated by changing compounds and pads? That would really surprise me. Anyway you have to cut the seal for that don´t you?

Here's one datapoint for you. Make of it what you will. EVGA just RMAed a card I'd bought several years ago (had extended warranty) where the fan controller had gone out. I listed complete disassembly/reassembly as part of the steps I'd done trying to mitigate this on my own when communcating with the tech, and EVGA authorized the RMA and replaced the card.
 
Historically EVGA has had a stellar reputation for support, which is why I've been such a loyal EVGA customer for the last couple of decades. They've made some changes recently that I haven't really dug into, other than jacking up the prices on their extended warranties, so who knows how the reputation will hold up in the future. That being said, I was really happy after reading about the extended warranty price increases knowing I'd locked in a 10-year warranty on a very expensive card just a week prior for a fraction of what it would cost now (and for a shorter period) if I'd waited.

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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/12 11:09:31 (permalink)
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After having replaced stock air coolers with water blocks and vice versa on several generations of Cards, I can assure you there is no drama if you prepare yourself:
1. Use the proper rated thermal pads, preferably stock. In most cases if you're careful disassembling you can re-use the same pads or order a set direct from Evga.
2. Never stack thermal pads, this is wrong in all ways.
3. Never use thermal grease on top of thermal pads, again wrong in all ways.
4. Order the thermal putty from Evga
5. Watch some you tube videos of the procedure, in all honesty all you're doing is removing the backplate then the pcb from the air cooler, quite simple.



I wish i had the stock pads, but the dude who I brought the card to disposed them.
I simply had to use paste on top of the pads, otherwise i had terrible contact. Would you happen to have the size specs for this cards pads?
Also, where can you get putty from EVGA store in EU? Never seen it listed. :O
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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/12 11:29:36 (permalink)
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Even if the card gets overheated by changing compounds and pads? That would really surprise me. Anyway you have to cut the seal for that don´t you?

Here's one datapoint for you. Make of it what you will. EVGA just RMAed a card I'd bought several years ago (had extended warranty) where the fan controller had gone out. I listed complete disassembly/reassembly as part of the steps I'd done trying to mitigate this on my own when communcating with the tech, and EVGA authorized the RMA and replaced the card.
 
Historically EVGA has had a stellar reputation for support, which is why I've been such a loyal EVGA customer for the last couple of decades. They've made some changes recently that I haven't really dug into, other than jacking up the prices on their extended warranties, so who knows how the reputation will hold up in the future. That being said, I was really happy after reading about the extended warranty price increases knowing I'd locked in a 10-year warranty on a very expensive card just a week prior for a fraction of what it would cost now (and for a shorter period) if I'd waited.




Thanks for the datapoint but i really don´t know how to use it because i never received one before.  Could this be helpful for my 3070 in queue?

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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/12 11:39:06 (permalink)
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Thanks for the datapoint but i really don´t know how to use it because i never received one before.  Could this be helpful for my 3070 in queue?


Since when are you in queue? EU/US?
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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/12 14:33:06 (permalink)
GDDR6 memory doesn't really have the overheating problem that GDDR6X memory has. There's no need to replace thermal pads on them
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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/12 16:15:49 (permalink)
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After having replaced stock air coolers with water blocks and vice versa on several generations of Cards, I can assure you there is no drama if you prepare yourself:
1. Use the proper rated thermal pads, preferably stock. In most cases if you're careful disassembling you can re-use the same pads or order a set direct from Evga.
2. Never stack thermal pads, this is wrong in all ways.
3. Never use thermal grease on top of thermal pads, again wrong in all ways.
4. Order the thermal putty from Evga
5. Watch some you tube videos of the procedure, in all honesty all you're doing is removing the backplate then the pcb from the air cooler, quite simple.



I wish i had the stock pads, but the dude who I brought the card to disposed them.
I simply had to use paste on top of the pads, otherwise i had terrible contact. Would you happen to have the size specs for this cards pads?
Also, where can you get putty from EVGA store in EU? Never seen it listed. :O




Google it....works well ;)
Stock pads can be found from Evga direct (Email Customer Service, Im sure they can get you putty as well)......
There are a ton of threads regarding pad size for alll sku's....if Google doesnt work email Evga Customer Service and ask em.

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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/12 17:38:58 (permalink)
I bought a few sets of pads from EVGA directly a few months back for the 3070/3070Ti XC3.  The 3060Ti FTW3 and 3070 XC3 use the exact same circuit board and components, with 3060Ti having fewer of them in the GPU VRM area, primarily.  The 3070Ti XC3 board and some components (chokes, mainly) are slightly different.  EVGA advised me that the thermal pad kits for 3070 XC3 and 3070Ti XC3 are identical... and those kits DO NOT include the putty, paste, or backplate pads.  I suggest reaching out to EVGA for the pad kit, use a good thermal paste on the GPU like Arctic MX-2 or -5, or whatever you find that has a good rep.  I have used Arctic without issue for many years.
 
Here are some links and guidance:
 
3060Ti FTW3 teardown by techpowerup.  Pads are used on Memory chips and GPU MOSFETs.  Memory MOSFETs have putty, but can use pads (see note**).  GPU has paste.  Backplate has one tiny pad >> https://www.techpowerup.com/review/evga-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-ftw3-ultra/2.html
 
3070 XC3 teardown thread by another evga forum user.  Pads are used on Memory chips and GPU MOSFETs.  Memory MOSFETs have putty, but can use the tiny pad provided in the EVGA kit.  GPU has paste.  Backplate has various pads >> https://forums.evga.com/EVGA-3070-XC3-Ultra-Gaming-thermal-paste-replacement-worklog-teardown-with-PCB-pics-m3251153.aspx
 
My own 3070Ti teardown thread.  Pads are used on Memory chips, GPU and Memory MOSFETs.  GPU chokes have putty.  GPU has paste.  Backplate has various pads >> https://forums.evga.com/EVGA-RTX-3070Ti-XC3-Ultra-3785-Teardown-Disassembly-PCB-Photos-m3475750.aspx
 
**EVGA Tech told me the 3070/3070Ti XC3 pad kits are the same, and that the 3060Ti FTW3 was a different set.  I don't see a difference since the 3070 XC3 and 3060Ti FTW3 are essentially identical.  The 3070 kit comes with that tiny pad for the Memory MOSFETs, not sure the 3060Ti does.  Based upon my measurements (see my post), the tiny pad is same thickness as all of the others.  You could get a 3070 kit or a couple 3060Ti kits and cut as needed?  Good luck.

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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/12 18:04:51 (permalink)
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After having replaced stock air coolers with water blocks and vice versa on several generations of Cards, I can assure you there is no drama if you prepare yourself:
1. Use the proper rated thermal pads, preferably stock. In most cases if you're careful disassembling you can re-use the same pads or order a set direct from Evga.
2. Never stack thermal pads, this is wrong in all ways.
3. Never use thermal grease on top of thermal pads, again wrong in all ways.
4. Order the thermal putty from Evga
5. Watch some you tube videos of the procedure, in all honesty all you're doing is removing the backplate then the pcb from the air cooler, quite simple.



I wish i had the stock pads, but the dude who I brought the card to disposed them.
I simply had to use paste on top of the pads, otherwise i had terrible contact. Would you happen to have the size specs for this cards pads?
Also, where can you get putty from EVGA store in EU? Never seen it listed. :O


Pads need to be compressed somewhat to work well. To make up bad contact with thermal paste means the pad is not compressed at all and will not perform at rated spec.
 
If you don't mind my asking, what led you down this path with a 3060 Ti? I don't have experience with these cards but do they have problems keeping below the temp limit? I guess you mentioned part time mining but unless your VRAM, usually the junction, is bouncing off the temp limit you aren't going to improve mining performance by lowering temps. It's not like the boost feature of the GPU in gaming.
 
My suggestion would be to contact EVGA support and try to get the OEM setup of pads and putty and you'll be better off.
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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/12 18:45:02 (permalink)
There certainly isnt anything "dramatic" about replacing thermal pads....

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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/12 23:07:37 (permalink)
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Thanks for the datapoint but i really don´t know how to use it because i never received one before.  Could this be helpful for my 3070 in queue?


Since when are you in queue? EU/US?




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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/13 03:08:34 (permalink)
As the rest of the folks said, it's not anything special to replace thermal pads, but for someone who has never done it before, it can be overwhelming. Since you've already done it once, you'd be even better next time, have confidence.In case you want to delve further into it, you won't be able to find any thermal putty in the EU EVGA store, unless support can help you. Talk to them, they might be able to help you source some, they will probably tell you the correct thickness of the pads you need to use too. You could also try Ali Express, but be careful where you buy from, there are a lot of fakes out there. You can always replace TG-PP-10 with K5 which is the same if not better and you can find it easily in the EU. Also, as @rjbarker said, you're going with pads or thermal putty, doesn't really make sense to use both. Note that If you're going down the putty way, you need to use a lot. Good luck!
post edited by N.i.C - 2022/01/13 03:17:05
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Re: Replacing thermal pads and paste on RTX3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA and the drama that comes wit 2022/01/15 20:39:10 (permalink)
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Evening fellow PC enthusiasts.
 
I thought I would share with you all my experience on "modding" my "EVGA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti FTW3 ULTRA GAMING, 08G-P5" cooling-wise. I saw some older forum posts about this as well, so this is in no way a "How-To", just my 2 cents on the topic. Maybe I save someone from a headache.
 
As soon as I got my 3060Ti I decided to replace thermal paste and pads as I read on the iNteRneT that its a good idea if you want to do some occasional mining when you don't use your system.
Spoiler alert: It's not.
 
I took my card to someone who supposedly knew what he was doing. While disassembling my card, we found that the paste on the GPU itself was rock hard already. Since this was like this from the factory, I suppose it's normal? GPU had good temps before this so not sure but it was completely dry.
After cleaing the card from the putty he used some cheap ass blue thermal pads, and since he did not have the proper sizes, he stacked a few. Without pusing the air out from between the 2 layers. Needless to say, temps went FUBAR and he was obviously not on top of his game. So I decided to fix it myself.
 
It took me a week to do proper research, ask around in local discord groups and ordering good quality materials before I tried again.
EVGA was seemingly using good quality thermal Putty that is impossible to get your hands on in Europe. After some research, I found a compound named "TG-PP10". Supposedly it's what factories use as well but I couldn't find any confirmation on this.
Since Putty was not an option due to lack of resellers I bought Thermal Grizzly minus pads(0,5;2;3mm)and kryonaut paste to start over and I barely managed to get back factory temps. Maybe a couple degrees lower on the GPU itself. Unfortunately, there are no VRM temp meters, so I have no clue if it's worse or better during mining, but it's stable again on the same OC settings it was on with factory pads.
 
I'll attach a picture of the finished product. Definitely not clean, but it works. I applied pressure to the pads so they can cover more surface, moving more heat. Then added a second layer where it was needed.
Unfortunately, I did not take pictures of the back of the card. EVGA only puts thermal pads behind the GPU, I extended it for the back of the VRMs and VCores plus the 2 Vmem-s as well.(Its reeeeaally hot) I basically covered the back whereever it had any sort of chip on the other side. :)

All in all, I had fun with this project, but would not recommend to anyone.
 



 
Do you happen to remember which ones were 0.5mm, 2mm, and 3mm? I'm considering doing a thermal pad replacement as well and would like to know which parts of the board need which thickness.
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