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As the title says, what are the expectations given past models overclockability for air cooled cards?
I currently have triple stock titans but I am interested in consolidating to a single 1080. I don't really have a budget. I spend a lot of time at work, so when I come home I just want things to work on my computer, hence me running it on air.
In the past, have the bigger cards been worth it? With the 980ti series, it seemed like each level up meant about a 75-100 MHz increase (classy>kingpin for example).
I mainly play battlefield games (bf4 and bfh and I plan on getting bf1, which I assume will run on Frostbite 4 and require a beefy card).
To sum it up, is the additional $150-$350 that the top kingpin costs worth it if I'm only going to run it on air?
Again, this is all speculation since EVGA hasn't announced anything. Please keep smart aleck responses to yourself.
Thank you in advance for any input.
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/17 15:56:18
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I wish EVGA would announce something! Or tell us when they will announce something! Give us something to get excited about!
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/17 15:56:19
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/17 16:48:54
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They're probably under NDA. NVIDIA doesn't want the spot light removed from their new GPU.
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/17 20:13:24
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☄ Helpfulby bee144 2016/05/26 18:14:44
Honestly, I think the clocks a GPU can achieve is mostly dependent on the silicon lottery. I can't count how many times on forums I've seen users buy a Classified card only to have it be a dud that many reference cards can best. The main place those cards shine is for users who are going with better cooling (water or frozen) because their power delivery systems are better equipped to take the voltages their cooling can support.
You sound a lot like me. You just want it to work with minimal effort. I used to go for more exotic cooling and bleeding edge OC's, but I kind of grew out of that as the rest of my life got busier and I had less time to tinker. Since then I've been buying reference based cards (SC's to be specific), and I couldn't be happier with them. I've had some that OC'ed great and others that didn't, but you will find that with the highest end versions too unless you are going to pump the cooling and voltage to them.
In short, on air, something like a Kingpin is in no way worth the money. They are pretty explicit in that those cards are designed for exotic cooling. Not to mention they come out quite late in a products life cycle.
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/18 01:37:10
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Honestly, I think the clocks a GPU can achieve is mostly dependent on the silicon lottery. I can't count how many times on forums I've seen users buy a Classified card only to have it be a dud that many reference cards can best. The main place those cards shine is for users who are going with better cooling (water or frozen) because their power delivery systems are better equipped to take the voltages their cooling can support.
You sound a lot like me. You just want it to work with minimal effort. I used to go for more exotic cooling and bleeding edge OC's, but I kind of grew out of that as the rest of my life got busier and I had less time to tinker. Since then I've been buying reference based cards (SC's to be specific), and I couldn't be happier with them. I've had some that OC'ed great and others that didn't, but you will find that with the highest end versions too unless you are going to pump the cooling and voltage to them.
In short, on air, something like a Kingpin is in no way worth the money. They are pretty explicit in that those cards are designed for exotic cooling. Not to mention they come out quite late in a products life cycle.
This is exactly what I was looking for. You bring up a good point about the classy and kingpin most likely needing the user to develop a custom vbios and even then you may not get much more than a lower end card. That's more work than I'm willing to put in given I'm running air and want things simple. Plus as you mentioned, they come out two to three months after the reference card. I'll probably buy the 1080 SC+ ACX cooler edition. In the past, have these been released shortly after the reference?
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/25 20:18:31
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/25 21:58:44
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 06:18:52
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Yea that could be fake. If it really is a 3.0 we cant tell if it has 2 or 3 fans and the 6+6 pin could be from a 980 SC or 970 SC
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 07:15:32
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The only thing that makes me think this is fake is dual 6pin since 6+6 = single 8pin so it makes no sence .
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 07:37:27
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6+6 pin has been done before, so its not too weird.
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 07:58:11
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It is weird when you know that founder edition clocks suffer from power limit and since founder edition has a single 8pin the only option to improve this is 8+6 or 8+8. Ad to this that other brands custom cards have been confirmed with 8+8 pin .
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 08:01:07
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Ahh ok, I see what you mean. Dual 6 pins is the same power as a single 8 so to fix the power limit problems and overclock more they need a 8+6 or 8+8 pins to drive the overclocks.
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 08:04:23
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 08:17:41
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Here we have the real ones . Prety good job from Evga so far those cards are the most beautifull 1080s i have seen . Now waiting for 1070 Sc and im ready to order .
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 08:23:35
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EVGA Superclock 1080 confirmed single 8 Pin PSU connection also Benchmarks:
http: // hothardware.com/news/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-superclocked-avx-30-edition-and-gtx-1080-sli-sneak-peek
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 08:30:04
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Buying a kpe for air is retarded, unless you just want it for the looks.
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 08:40:42
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I will wait for complete reviews to see if
ACX 3.0 is able to keep temps down to allow high clocks with a single 8pin but i'm confident that Evga know what they do
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 09:15:51
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EVGA Superclock 1080 confirmed single 8 Pin PSU connection also Benchmarks:
http: // hothardware.com/news/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-superclocked-avx-30-edition-and-gtx-1080-sli-sneak-peek
Its not clear to me if the benchmark graphs comparing it to a pair of standard FE 1080's in SLI is a single FE or the pictured EVGA SC acx-3 ?? need more info. if it is a single SC acx-3 then I would suspect the SLI pair of FE's are overclocked via some other mechanism. The pair in SLI were close to double the fps of the single ??? card. very nice for SLI.
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 09:39:41
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I have always purchased the Classified board, simply because I like the size of the PCB. There are hundreds of posts and benchmark scores showing that a reference board has by far out bested all of my classifieds I have ever owned. I usually get the classified on sale for the same price, or lower, compared to the reference boards, so that leads me to them every time.
I say to choose wisely. The silicone lottery is a beast that can not be accounted for, ever.
If you are looking to save on funds, wait for a sale or discount. I would highly suggest waiting for reviews on each and every card that you consider as well.
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 10:03:48
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There is a limit, once you hit that limit. Extra volts just makes things worse. The only benefit to something like a classy or kpe is better power delivery which may or may not result in a better or more stable oc. Your lottery chances haven't changed. Till the ti kpe, these chips are never binned contrary to what people like to think. Is the 1080 volt limited or thermal limited. Truth be told you won't know for your card until you eliminate the temp issues. At the same time is the additional scaling over a set clock worth the investment? So far doesn't seem like it. In my experience no air cooler has been capable of eliminating the temperature issue if your going for a high oc. Your gonna have a lot of noise and lots of heat. NV really mislead people with a 2100 MHz @ 67c.
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 10:22:41
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There is a limit, once you hit that limit. Extra volts just makes things worse. The only benefit to something like a classy or kpe is better power delivery which may or may not result in a better or more stable oc. Your lottery chances haven't changed. Till the ti kpe, these chips are never binned contrary to what people like to think. Is the 1080 volt limited or thermal limited. Truth be told you won't know for your card until you eliminate the temp issues. At the same time is the additional scaling over a set clock worth the investment? So far doesn't seem like it. In my experience no air cooler has been capable of eliminating the temperature issue if your going for a high oc. Your gonna have a lot of noise and lots of heat. NV really mislead people with a 2100 MHz @ 67c.
the 980ti KPE was binned for ASIC Quality, as people still think that ties 100% into how a card overclocks. This proved to still be wrong, as people paid 1049 for the 80% asic and some people were stuck not being able to go beyond stock, while a few 72% asic cards went well over 1600 mhz without breaking a sweat.
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 10:28:06
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There is a limit, once you hit that limit. Extra volts just makes things worse. The only benefit to something like a classy or kpe is better power delivery which may or may not result in a better or more stable oc. Your lottery chances haven't changed. Till the ti kpe, these chips are never binned contrary to what people like to think. Is the 1080 volt limited or thermal limited. Truth be told you won't know for your card until you eliminate the temp issues. At the same time is the additional scaling over a set clock worth the investment? So far doesn't seem like it. In my experience no air cooler has been capable of eliminating the temperature issue if your going for a high oc. Your gonna have a lot of noise and lots of heat. NV really mislead people with a 2100 MHz @ 67c.
the 980ti KPE was binned for ASIC Quality, as people still think that ties 100% into how a card overclocks. This proved to still be wrong, as people paid 1049 for the 80% asic and some people were stuck not being able to go beyond stock, while a few 72% asic cards went well over 1600 mhz without breaking a sweat.
Agreed. The ASIC definately does not affect how a card will overclock at all.
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 13:24:23
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Dual 8 pin on FTW edition:
http: // cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/05/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-1080-FTW-VC-2.jpg
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 18:17:18
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Well, it sounds like review samples of the SC are out, which isn't much of a surprise because it's basically a FE with the ACX 3.0 cooler instead.
The custom FTW edition has been pictured as others have shared but there have been no reviewer leaks, which leads me to believe we are still a few weeks off from General Availability (GA).
There have been zero leaks for the classy, hybrid, and hydro, which leads me to believe these are even further out from GA.
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/26 18:23:45
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What do you mean the sc is basically the founder edition with the ACX 3.0? The founders edition refers to the cooler. The reference PCB has always been used on all card except for the FTW, classy and kingpin. All other cards are going to be the reference board with either founders edition cooler, an EVGA blower shroud, or an ACX. This has never been any different. Even the hybrid and the hydrocopper are reference PCB, although EVGA used to have a classified hydrocopper block as well.
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/27 06:25:59
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http://www.evga.com/products/Product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6286-KR
All cards are announced now.
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/27 06:27:31
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Busy link is busy....
For sale, or just announced?
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/27 06:33:31
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bee144
All cards are announced now.
What do you mean "ALL"? There is no hydrocopper in there, unless they decided not to do hydrocopper this time..
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Re: Reference, SC, SSC, FTW, Classy, or Kingpin on Air
2016/05/27 06:35:50
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bee144
All cards are announced now.
What do you mean "ALL"?
There is no hydrocopper in there, unless they decided not to do hydrocopper this time..
It shows as coming soon along with the Hybrid, which looks to have changed from the previous model.
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