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Monday, December 21, 2020 8:09 PM
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Do I have the latest BIOS on my KingPin card? Using the OC bios dip switch setting, my Max power limit displays as 450w in GPUz (pic attached). Do I need to use the LN2 switch setting or install the XOC bios to get the 500w bios? My max available power limit in PX1 and MSI AB is only 112. Where can I get the XOC bios and the classified tool? Also how can I know that I have the latest BIOS for the KingPin, EVGA has no bios's available under the support page of the KingPin product page.
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Monday, December 21, 2020 8:10 PM
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Max power slider on oc is 480w. Max power slider on ln2 vbios is 520.
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Monday, December 21, 2020 8:14 PM
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Sajin Max power slider on oc is 480w. Max power slider on ln2 vbios is 520.
Should GPUz display 480w as the max on my screenshot or 450W like I see now?
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Monday, December 21, 2020 8:24 PM
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It should show 480w. Looks like you’re still running the normal vbios.
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Monday, December 21, 2020 10:16 PM
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Sajin It should show 480w. Looks like you’re still running the normal vbios.
Hi Sajin, You were right, I must have switched it back to normal mode at some point before checking. I checked OC and LN mode and see Max power slider on oc is 480w. Max power slider on ln2 vbios is 520 as you stated. However, when I run Port Royal with the power and temp slider to the max on PX1 and MSI AB I still dont see the power pass 440w on PR. My PR score was 13924.
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Monday, December 21, 2020 10:20 PM
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That is normal. You have to overclock the card to pull more wattage.
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Monday, December 21, 2020 10:24 PM
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Kaveman42
Sajin It should show 480w. Looks like you’re still running the normal vbios.
Hi Sajin, You were right, I must have switched it back to normal mode at some point before checking. I checked OC and LN mode and see Max power slider on oc is 480w. Max power slider on ln2 vbios is 520 as you stated. However, when I run Port Royal with the power and temp slider to the max on PX1 and MSI AB I still dont see the power pass 440w on PR. My PR score was 13924.
Power isn't what determines your score and it's not responsible for your clocks and performance. That's what GPU bin and voltage are for. Power limit is just a power consumption limit that you can't bypass if you happen to get there. For example even if you had a 1000W bios, it wouldn't make your card go above 440W. Lack of hitting power limit isn't an issue. People mistakenly think hitting the power limit is good and if you don't hit it, something is wrong. Well...there may be something wrong. But what's wrong is that your chip isn't clocked high enough to take advantage of it. Whether that's because you didn't clock it high enough, or the chip itself isn't capable of clocking that high. For example....I have an FTW3 that can pull approximately 500W and hits the power limit more than 50% of the time when doing port royal at 2145-2135 at 1V. And then I a KingPin that does port royal with 2190MHz at 1.1V and only hits the power limit under 5% of the time. NOT hitting the power limit is a good thing. NOT being able to clock higher isn't. But that's not related to your power limit. That's related to silicon lottery and what your individual chip can do. Don't buy into the "kingpin power limit issue" nonsense. It's being spread by people who don't know the first thing about overclocking. Well. Maybe they know the first thing. But they definitely don't know the second and third and so on.
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Monday, December 21, 2020 11:23 PM
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Are the safe gaurds still in place for the 520 ln2 switch bios hopefully? Also is there a place i can download others like a 600-700w one?
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Monday, December 21, 2020 11:44 PM
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Safe guards are still in place for ln2. If you want the xoc vbios you have to e-mail Vince.
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Monday, December 21, 2020 11:51 PM
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Sajin Safe guards are still in place for ln2. If you want the xoc vbios you have to e-mail Vince.
and thats the 1000w, fry your chip for answering your phone lol?
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 0:05 PM
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Sajin Safe guards are still in place for ln2. If you want the xoc vbios you have to e-mail Vince.
and thats the 1000w, fry your chip for answering your phone lol?
Yep.
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 0:16 PM
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lol forget that then, sorry one more stupiud question , any way to unlock the mv slider on afterburner?
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 0:27 PM
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xMAXxIMUSx lol forget that then, sorry one more stupiud question , any way to unlock the mv slider on afterburner?
Yes. Use the latest 4.6.3 Beta 2.
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 0:27 PM
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xMAXxIMUSx lol forget that then, sorry one more stupiud question , any way to unlock the mv slider on afterburner?
Running the xoc vbios doesn’t actually fry anything unless you push too far with the classified controller. Sliders should already be unlocked if you’re running the latest version of afterburner.
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 0:52 PM
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xMAXxIMUSx lol forget that then, sorry one more stupiud question , any way to unlock the mv slider on afterburner?
Running the xoc vbios doesn’t actually fry anything unless you push too far with the classified controller. Sliders should already be unlocked if you’re running the latest version of afterburner.
that did it thanks alot Merry Xmas!!
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 0:54 PM
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I just finished running benchmarks using PR and MSI AB. My top score was 14,836 with +140 core and +750 Mem. Anything passed these two settings crashed 3dmark. My max GPU temp was 57 degrees after testing for like 4 hours. What else can I do to increase my score? Is this my cap? It seems like I still have thermal headroom. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55286877?
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 0:57 PM
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Kaveman42 I just finished running benchmarks using PR and MSI AB. My top score was 14,836 with +140 core and +750 Mem. Anything passed these two settings crashed 3dmark. My max GPU temp was 57 degrees after testing for like 4 hours. What else can I do to increase my score? Is this my cap? It seems like I still have thermal headroom. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55286877?
Seems a bit warm. You running your fans at max? Room temp?
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 1:01 AM
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No, the fans are on auto not sure if it was at max when running. The room temp was probably low to mid 70s.
Btw, im using QL120 fans, not the stock ones. But they are plugged into the gpu fan headers.
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 1:02 AM
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Max out your fans to bring the gpu temp down.
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 1:10 AM
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Ill try that next after dinner, thanks
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 1:14 AM
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Just run TSE on 8K and it is super obvious it is clocking down due to power limit with average consumption way below 520W. I've spent about 20hours now messing with my KPE and there is simply no way to avoid it treating transient spikes to 520W as baseline for driver power throttling. Its a bit silly we do all this power throttling talk on a 1440p benchmark that struggles to break 500W on 1.1V in the first place, on most non-garbage bin chips. Also, raytracing is merely the activation of a marginal extra set of silicon (BVH solve and tensor denoise) per SM, and most importantly a much deeper (not wider!!) pipeline per frame of compute on fp32. AKA, it does not increase power consumption in any way comparable to the widening the per frame compute load by increasing the render target (to 4k+ etc). While on a Strix or MSI card, the driver respects average power draw instead of transient spikes for limiting. So you can average 520W and spike to 580+ before Nvidia driver requests lower clocks. Difference in the way the VC IC reports, I suppose. And it is not hitting the fbvddd, src, etc limit, in any fashion as far as I have observed, calling into question the validity of the dumped values from OC.net. It is all extremely easy to observe with classified because you just lock the various voltages and observe how the driver reported values respond in GPU-Z or HWInfo - if you give it a ton of memory voltage you can get driver reported power on that rail as high as you want. While on the other side even if your curve is extremely conservative the second your nvddd rail is high enough to transiently spike to 520W once, you will downclock even though driver thinks you are at 0.8V or something silly. You will literally step down in clocks at the same reported driver voltage, while actually maintaining 1.1 nvddd via direct i2c/classified. The idea that you need to up voltages to make use of the power limit stems from the fact that transient spikes are far far less with msvddd(cache) and fbvdd(vram), vs nvddd(SMs). So you can get your average power consumption up higher without the transient spikes dipping into 520W throttle territory as much, by just increasing msvdd/fbvdd voltages rather than nvddd.
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 2:04 AM
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Chamidorix I'm disappointed in you hyper and Sajin, just run TSE on 8K and it is super obvious it is clocking down due to power limit with average consumption way below 520W. I've spent about 20hours now messing with my KPE and there is simply no way to avoid it treating transient spikes to 520W as baseline for driver power throttling. Its utter nonsense we do all this power throttling talk on a 1440p benchmark that struggles to break 500W on 1.1V in the first place, on most non-garbage bin chips. Also, raytracing is merely the activation of a marginal extra set of silicon (BVH solve and tensor denoise) per SM, and most importantly a much deeper (not wider!!) pipeline per frame of compute on fp32. AKA, it does not increase power consumption in any way comparable to the widening the per frame compute load by increasing the render target (to 4k+ etc). While on a Strix or MSI card, the driver respects average power draw instead of transient spikes for limiting. So you can average 520W and spike to 580+ before Nvidia driver requests lower clocks. And it is not hitting the fbvddd, src, etc limit, those are pretty much ignored, to say nothing of even trusting the dumped values from BMJet in the first place. It is all extremely easy to observe with classified because you just lock the various voltages and observe how the driver reported values respond in GPU-Z or HWInfo - if you give it a ton of memory voltage you can get driver reported power on that rail as high as you want. While on the other side even if your curve is extremely conservative the second your nvddd rail is high enough to transiently spike to 520W once, you will downclock even though driver thinks you are at 0.8V or something silly. You will literally step down in clocks at the same reported driver voltage, while actually maintaining 1.1 nvddd via direct i2c/classified. The idea that you need to up voltages to make use of the power limit (implying that leakage is soo godly on the kingpin that it magically can't hit 520W average on 1.1V nvdd) stems from the fact that transient spikes are far far less with msvddd(cache) and fbvdd(vram), vs nvddd(SMs). So you can get your average power consumption up higher without the transient spikes dipping into 520W throttle territory as much, by just increasing msvdd/fbvdd voltages rather than nvddd. Then, also, obviously 1.1V doesn't hit very high current on Port Royale in the first place; again we should all be using a bench that actually loads more of the SMs like TSE.
I never said increasing voltages would help power throttle... https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3183127
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 2:10 AM
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Yea, my bad I was getting a bit triggered reading everyone's misinterpretations of your comments so I got ahead of myself. Edited out the personal attack slant into more a informational presentation.
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Re: RTX3090 KingPin BIOS power limit only 450w
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 4:07 AM
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Chamidorix I'm disappointed in you hyper and Sajin, just run TSE on 8K and it is super obvious it is clocking down due to power limit with average consumption way below 520W. I've spent about 20hours now messing with my KPE and there is simply no way to avoid it treating transient spikes to 520W as baseline for driver power throttling. Its utter nonsense we do all this power throttling talk on a 1440p benchmark that struggles to break 500W on 1.1V in the first place, on most non-garbage bin chips. Also, raytracing is merely the activation of a marginal extra set of silicon (BVH solve and tensor denoise) per SM, and most importantly a much deeper (not wider!!) pipeline per frame of compute on fp32. AKA, it does not increase power consumption in any way comparable to the widening the per frame compute load by increasing the render target (to 4k+ etc). While on a Strix or MSI card, the driver respects average power draw instead of transient spikes for limiting. So you can average 520W and spike to 580+ before Nvidia driver requests lower clocks. And it is not hitting the fbvddd, src, etc limit, those are pretty much ignored, to say nothing of even trusting the dumped values from BMJet in the first place. It is all extremely easy to observe with classified because you just lock the various voltages and observe how the driver reported values respond in GPU-Z or HWInfo - if you give it a ton of memory voltage you can get driver reported power on that rail as high as you want. While on the other side even if your curve is extremely conservative the second your nvddd rail is high enough to transiently spike to 520W once, you will downclock even though driver thinks you are at 0.8V or something silly. You will literally step down in clocks at the same reported driver voltage, while actually maintaining 1.1 nvddd via direct i2c/classified. The idea that you need to up voltages to make use of the power limit (implying that leakage is soo godly on the kingpin that it magically can't hit 520W average on 1.1V nvdd) stems from the fact that transient spikes are far far less with msvddd(cache) and fbvdd(vram), vs nvddd(SMs). So you can get your average power consumption up higher without the transient spikes dipping into 520W throttle territory as much, by just increasing msvdd/fbvdd voltages rather than nvddd. Then, also, obviously 1.1V doesn't hit very high current on Port Royale in the first place; again we should all be using a bench that actually loads more of the SMs like TSE.
Problem is...without touching classified tool, I was able to pull over 500W in Port Royal locked at 2190MHz with a few slim green power throttle lines. But again....locked at 2190. With an equal % increase in score as when I did the test at 2145MHz. My first kingpin card couldn't go above 460W simply because it didn't clock very high. But both chips used very little power. At the same time, I can run superposition on extreme and have a full solid green line during the entire run. So whatever experience you're referring to...I didn't have it on my 2 KingPin card. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say or dispute from my statement. Some clarification would be helpful.
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