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2022/10/26 12:17:04 (permalink)
You all think future GPUs will normalize in size and power draw to what we had been accustomed to prior to this gen?
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
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    Re: RTX 5090 & Beyond 2022/10/26 13:16:08 (permalink)
    Difficult to say. I also want to see the power requirements of the next gen AMD GPU to compare it to the RTX 4090. 

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    Re: RTX 5090 & Beyond 2022/10/26 13:32:54 (permalink)
    I think if they figure out a cheap and easy way to reduce risk and improve quality of the 12VHPWR connectors, they'll continue trying to standardize on those and we might see some stability in the <600W figures. Seemed like we had steady 300-350W for a while...then 3k-series bumped that up. Might get a steady 450-600W for a little while now. I'd love it if they just decided "you know what, 450W is more than enough" and just tried to not exceed that under normal circumstances lol. It's already more than enough heat to try and get out of a case.

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    Re: RTX 5090 & Beyond 2022/10/26 14:06:08 (permalink)
    Things do need to start normalizing to a proper easy to manage temp\heat\power balance. As is, it's getting all the more difficult because Intel, AMD and Nvidia are all trying to one up each other and it's causing a huge mess for us the end users to deal with. Not to mention there are many places in America alone where houses have been and still are not built to be electrically stable. Heck here in Arizona many of the rented homes I've lived in have had various electrical issues.


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    Re: RTX 5090 & Beyond 2022/10/26 15:43:20 (permalink)
    There's only so far they can go before cards will start to require more elaborate cooling. I mean we are already at 450w and the coolers for these cards are massive. There is no magic or witchcraft that can overcome the laws of thermodynamics, so either cards are going to continue to get more massive to dissipate the heat they produce or they will have to mandate things like watercooling as standard. No matter how you slice it a 450w heat load is a 450w heat load and will have to be dealt with. 

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    Re: RTX 5090 & Beyond 2022/10/26 17:35:15 (permalink)
    The 4090 sustains over 600w out-of-the-box if the correct 12VHPWR power cable is used. I think it's safe to say the industry is going to stick with 500w as the new normal, and probably continue to push the envelope beyond that eventually. Intel's Raptor Lake chips are performant but they also draw twice the watts. A 13900K draws 200w more than a 10900K, even 120w more than a 12900K. And just as PCIe 4.0 SSDs draw more power than 3.0 versions, the 5.0 SSDs are only increasing the power consumption too. IO & bandwidth is not free.
     
    I'd bet you we will see the 5000-series RTX cards featuring dual 12VHPWR connections.... not because they need >600w, but purely for safety reasons. After that happens given the decreasing rate & benefits from node shrinks it seems inevitable NVDIA will eventually put out a super massive GPU die that will probably need >600w as the flagship part before 2030.


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    Re: RTX 5090 & Beyond 2022/10/30 16:13:55 (permalink)
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    The 4090 sustains over 600w out-of-the-box if the correct 12VHPWR power cable is used. I think it's safe to say the industry is going to stick with 500w as the new normal, and probably continue to push the envelope beyond that eventually. Intel's Raptor Lake chips are performant but they also draw twice the watts. A 13900K draws 200w more than a 10900K, even 120w more than a 12900K. And just as PCIe 4.0 SSDs draw more power than 3.0 versions, the 5.0 SSDs are only increasing the power consumption too. IO & bandwidth is not free.
     
    I'd bet you we will see the 5000-series RTX cards featuring dual 12VHPWR connections.... not because they need >600w, but purely for safety reasons. After that happens given the decreasing rate & benefits from node shrinks it seems inevitable NVDIA will eventually put out a super massive GPU die that will probably need >600w as the flagship part before 2030.


    The 4090 does not sustain anywhere near 600w out of the box. “Out of the box” The card is limited to a 450w max and a 400w target. The card stays at about 400w while gaming depending on load and will occasionally tiptoe near 430w For brief periods. Even with the 12VHPWR cable the card will not come anywhere near 600w. It’s only if you manually increase the power limit then overclock the snot out of it at 3Ghz+ that the card will move past 500w draw while benching.

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