justin_43
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Do you guys think the extra 8 pin will matter all that much when overclocking? I am trying to decide if paying all that extra money for the FTW3 card basically just to have the 3rd 8 pin connector is worth it. I will be putting the card under water so the cooler doesn't matter to me. I want to get as much of an overclock as I can but don't know if the extra power provided by that extra 8 pin will even matter. If these aren't clocking any higher than 2x8 pins than it really would be a waste to buy the FTW3. How high have you guys been able to clock your cards? Does anyone even have XC3 3090s yet?
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Re: RTX 3090 Overclocking 2x8 pin vs 3x8 pin
2020/09/28 05:58:34
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no it wont matter if all things are equal. having the 3rd plug allows EVGA to open up the power limit beyond 375W. nothing more. the increased power limit itself might give you better OC potential, but whether that power comes from 2 or 3 plugs is totally irrelevant. EVGA is bound to the spec of the connectors. a single 8-pin plug is rated for 150W (2x8-pin = 300W + 75W slot power), which is based on the lowest end config (small wire gauge) for the spec of the connector. even though it's safe in most systems to go higher, since most PSUs are built with larger than spec wire gauge, EVGA can't allow more power on the offchance someone with a "spec" PSU tries to use the card. theres more difference in the FTW3 and XC3 models than just the number of connectors. the FTW3 has a different, larger, more custom PCB with presumably better power delivery. and also presumably better silicon that should clock higher.
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Re: RTX 3090 Overclocking 2x8 pin vs 3x8 pin
2020/09/28 05:58:39
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I would think the extra 8 pin will allow more stable clock speeds based on wattage, but as far as overclocking ability, I have no idea if it would help. With the extra 8 pin, you should be able to pull more power overall, but the bios could still be a limit.
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Re: RTX 3090 Overclocking 2x8 pin vs 3x8 pin
2020/09/28 06:04:31
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It will be much easier to get a bios up to 525w with a 3x8-pin card. With 2x8-pin you're stuck at 375w unless you go XOC bios or shunt mod.
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Re: RTX 3090 Overclocking 2x8 pin vs 3x8 pin
2020/09/28 06:05:50
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justin_43
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Re: RTX 3090 Overclocking 2x8 pin vs 3x8 pin
2020/09/28 06:17:49
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I know the extra connector will allow for more power, I just wonder if there are diminishing returns above 375w. Like how much more clock speed does that extra 150w get you? Better PCB and better power delivery could be a factor but how much? An extra $300 on top of an already pricey card is a lot. If it's $300 for like 45-60Mhz that wouldn't be worth it. It would be an easy choice if the FTW3 was only $100 more like on the 3080 FTW3, but EVGA has decided to charge a lot more for the same cooler/PCB on the 3090 FTW3 for no reason that I can see other than 3090 cost more so let's just charge even more.
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Re: RTX 3090 Overclocking 2x8 pin vs 3x8 pin
2020/09/28 06:50:35
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justin_43 I know the extra connector will allow for more power, I just wonder if there are diminishing returns above 375w. Like how much more clock speed does that extra 150w get you? Better PCB and better power delivery could be a factor but how much? An extra $300 on top of an already pricey card is a lot. If it's $300 for like 45-60Mhz that wouldn't be worth it. It would be an easy choice if the FTW3 was only $100 more like on the 3080 FTW3, but EVGA has decided to charge a lot more for the same cooler/PCB on the 3090 FTW3 for no reason that I can see other than 3090 cost more so let's just charge even more.
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Re: RTX 3090 Overclocking 2x8 pin vs 3x8 pin
2020/09/28 07:13:26
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Yes, indirectly - the cards with three power plugs have higher watt draw VBIOS'. Higher wattage 30 series cards can clock higher. The performance % increase isn't as high as previous generations since Nvidia set this series' boost clocks to be even more aggressive. For the 3090, a stock 2 plug card gets about 12 FPS less than an overclocked 3 plug card at 4K across a suite of tests. I used the 3090 Strix OC review from techpowerup for that # - https://www.techpowerup.c...-3090-strix-oc/28.html and the Zotac Tinity as the base card from the same reviewer since the test suite was the same - https://www.techpowerup.c...x-3090-trinity/28.html
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Re: RTX 3090 Overclocking 2x8 pin vs 3x8 pin
2020/09/28 07:19:13
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A 3090 will easily exceed the 2x8-pin power limit if the BIOS sticks to the official limit -> 375W. Jacob played with an 3090 FTW3 and that card was always beyond 400W if yopu just "let it run". More than 450W have been used to get stable 2+GHz on high loads.
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Re: RTX 3090 Overclocking 2x8 pin vs 3x8 pin
2020/09/28 07:26:45
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arestavo Yes, indirectly - the cards with three power plugs have higher watt draw VBIOS'. Higher wattage 30 series cards can clock higher.
The performance % increase isn't as high as previous generations since Nvidia set this series' boost clocks to be even more aggressive.
For the 3090, a stock 2 plug card gets about 12 FPS less than an overclocked 3 plug card at 4K across a suite of tests. I used the 3090 Strix OC review from techpowerup for that # - https://www.techpowerup.c...-3090-strix-oc/28.html and the Zotac Tinity as the base card from the same reviewer since the test suite was the same - https://www.techpowerup.c...x-3090-trinity/28.html
Thanks for the links. So it does look like there is a nice increase.
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Re: RTX 3090 Overclocking 2x8 pin vs 3x8 pin
2020/09/28 07:39:55
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Dschijn A 3090 will easily exceed the 2x8-pin power limit if the BIOS sticks to the official limit -> 375W. Jacob played with an 3090 FTW3 and that card was always beyond 400W if yopu just "let it run". More than 450W have been used to get stable 2+GHz on high loads.
The power limit on this gen is pretty "soft", you can see it any graph of the power draw, they average above their nominal limit and spike hard.
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Re: RTX 3090 Overclocking 2x8 pin vs 3x8 pin
2020/09/28 07:58:57
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The limit is hard for 2x8-pin cards since they can max out the power limit out of the box.
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Re: RTX 3090 Overclocking 2x8 pin vs 3x8 pin
2020/09/28 08:09:09
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Dschijn The limit is hard for 2x8-pin cards since they can max out the power limit out of the box.
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Re: RTX 3090 Overclocking 2x8 pin vs 3x8 pin
2020/09/28 13:34:49
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It helps at bit if you can utilize the extra power. ;)
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