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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/02 08:29:38 (permalink)
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Hi! Nvidia technical support confirmed that RTX A6000 NVLINK bridges (2-slot an 3-slot) will be compatible with RTX 3090, same like RTX 6000/8000 were compatible with RTX 2080/2080 Ti.


I just asked them myself just in case and they said it wont work cause 3090 is bigger card, idk what to think now....


That makes no sense, doesn't matter how big the card is they all have the same nvlink connection. It's all spacing between the cards.



 
actually.. in looking at pics of the rtx 6000 and the 3090s i have, the NVLink posts are different.  i dont think the connectors would work.   
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/02 08:40:41 (permalink)
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Hi! Nvidia technical support confirmed that RTX A6000 NVLINK bridges (2-slot an 3-slot) will be compatible with RTX 3090, same like RTX 6000/8000 were compatible with RTX 2080/2080 Ti.


I just asked them myself just in case and they said it wont work cause 3090 is bigger card, idk what to think now....


That makes no sense, doesn't matter how big the card is they all have the same nvlink connection. It's all spacing between the cards.



 
actually.. in looking at pics of the rtx 6000 and the 3090s i have, the NVLink posts are different.  i dont think the connectors would work.   


The rtx 6000 and the a6000 are different gpus, the rtx 6000 is the previous release during the rtx 2000 series and the a6000 is to be released sometime this month along with the nvlink bridges that are compatible with them and the rtx 3090s, you're jumping the gun slow down.




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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/02 08:53:24 (permalink)
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No plans for 3 slot at this time.



This is one of the stupidest decisions EVGA ever made.  Most motherboards are 3 slot spacing.  There are very few motherboards that support 4 slot spacing.  It almost makes me think that EVGA didn't even bother looking at what spacing motherboards use before deciding on what slot spacing to release first.  
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/02 08:55:14 (permalink)
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No plans for 3 slot at this time.



This is one of the stupidest decisions EVGA ever made.  Most motherboards are 3 slot spacing.  There are very few motherboards that support 4 slot spacing.  It almost makes me think that EVGA didn't even bother looking at what spacing motherboards use before deciding on what slot spacing to release first.  


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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/02 08:56:48 (permalink)
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Hi! Nvidia technical support confirmed that RTX A6000 NVLINK bridges (2-slot an 3-slot) will be compatible with RTX 3090, same like RTX 6000/8000 were compatible with RTX 2080/2080 Ti.


I just asked them myself just in case and they said it wont work cause 3090 is bigger card, idk what to think now....


That makes no sense, doesn't matter how big the card is they all have the same nvlink connection. It's all spacing between the cards.



 
actually.. in looking at pics of the rtx 6000 and the 3090s i have, the NVLink posts are different.  i dont think the connectors would work.   


The rtx 6000 and the a6000 are different gpus, the rtx 6000 is the previous release during the rtx 2000 series and the a6000 is to be released sometime this month along with the nvlink bridges that are compatible with them and the rtx 3090s, you're jumping the gun slow down.



 
ok.. i missed that little "a" in there!  thanks for the heads up!  i'll continue to watch.  i was going to return this second card or sell it on ebay.  i'll hold off until that is released and see what comes.  worst case scenario, i sell the second card on ebay.  

thanks! 
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/02 08:58:10 (permalink)
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Hi! Nvidia technical support confirmed that RTX A6000 NVLINK bridges (2-slot an 3-slot) will be compatible with RTX 3090, same like RTX 6000/8000 were compatible with RTX 2080/2080 Ti.


I just asked them myself just in case and they said it wont work cause 3090 is bigger card, idk what to think now....


That makes no sense, doesn't matter how big the card is they all have the same nvlink connection. It's all spacing between the cards.




actually.. in looking at pics of the rtx 6000 and the 3090s i have, the NVLink posts are different.  i dont think the connectors would work.   


The rtx 6000 and the a6000 are different gpus, the rtx 6000 is the previous release during the rtx 2000 series and the a6000 is to be released sometime this month along with the nvlink bridges that are compatible with them and the rtx 3090s, you're jumping the gun slow down.



 
ok.. i missed that little "a" in there!  thanks for the heads up!  i'll continue to watch.  i was going to return this second card or sell it on ebay.  i'll hold off until that is released and see what comes.  worst case scenario, i sell the second card on ebay.  

thanks! 


Yeah be patient and you'll eventually get what you need 😉😊👍




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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/02 09:18:06 (permalink)
Maybe I'm missing something but for the people clamoring for the 3 slot SLI bridge, are you all planning to do a water cooling loop?  Just curious because at 2.75 slots, a 3-slot SLI is effectively going to kill the top GPU due to lack of air flow of almost any kind and taking in the heat from the backplate of the GPU below it.  My understanding for the 4 slot bridge requirement is to make sure there is airflow between the cards as shipped with a few exceptions.  I honestly don't think any other AIB manufacturer is making a 3 slot bridge anyways specifically labeled for the 3090 series (I could be wrong though on that part). 

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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/02 09:20:51 (permalink)
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Maybe I'm missing something but for the people clamoring for the 3 slot SLI bridge, are you all planning to do a water cooling loop?  Just curious because at 2.75 slots, a 3-slot SLI is effectively going to kill the top GPU due to lack of air flow of almost any kind and taking in the heat from the backplate of the GPU below it.  My understanding for the 4 slot bridge requirement is to make sure there is airflow between the cards as shipped with a few exceptions.  I honestly don't think any other AIB manufacturer is making a 3 slot bridge anyways specifically labeled for the 3090 series (I could be wrong though on that part). 




yes.   and considering they are selling single slot hydro copper versions as well, this just shows the utter short-sightedness of this entire situation.  not thought out at all.   

wonder if Aorus will have have nvlink bridge for their waterforce extreme cards?  hmmm.... might go that route instead if they do and evga doesn't....
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/02 09:36:28 (permalink)
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Maybe I'm missing something but for the people clamoring for the 3 slot SLI bridge, are you all planning to do a water cooling loop?  Just curious because at 2.75 slots, a 3-slot SLI is effectively going to kill the top GPU due to lack of air flow of almost any kind and taking in the heat from the backplate of the GPU below it.  My understanding for the 4 slot bridge requirement is to make sure there is airflow between the cards as shipped with a few exceptions.  I honestly don't think any other AIB manufacturer is making a 3 slot bridge anyways specifically labeled for the 3090 series (I could be wrong though on that part). 



Most people that can afford a pair of 3090s are doing custom cooling.
 
When I ran some non SLI rendering benchmarks with a pair of air cooled 3090's a used a PCIEx16 riser cable to get one of the cards outside of the case to allow for proper cooling.  I was hoping to have EK water blocks by then, but they aren't available yet for the 3090 FTW3 even though EKWB said "available in a few weeks" back in mid October.  I also am not buying Optimus' 3090 FTW3 blocks for several reasons, the price, the fact that optimus products always arrive months later than promised, and Optimus always seems to over hype the performance of their cooling products compared to the competition.
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/02 11:02:32 (permalink)
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Maybe I'm missing something but for the people clamoring for the 3 slot SLI bridge, are you all planning to do a water cooling loop?  Just curious because at 2.75 slots, a 3-slot SLI is effectively going to kill the top GPU due to lack of air flow of almost any kind and taking in the heat from the backplate of the GPU below it.  My understanding for the 4 slot bridge requirement is to make sure there is airflow between the cards as shipped with a few exceptions.  I honestly don't think any other AIB manufacturer is making a 3 slot bridge anyways specifically labeled for the 3090 series (I could be wrong though on that part). 



Most people that can afford a pair of 3090s are doing custom cooling.
 
When I ran some non SLI rendering benchmarks with a pair of air cooled 3090's a used a PCIEx16 riser cable to get one of the cards outside of the case to allow for proper cooling.  I was hoping to have EK water blocks by then, but they aren't available yet for the 3090 FTW3 even though EKWB said "available in a few weeks" back in mid October.  I also am not buying Optimus' 3090 FTW3 blocks for several reasons, the price, the fact that optimus products always arrive months later than promised, and Optimus always seems to over hype the performance of their cooling products compared to the competition.




i think the Heatkiller blocks from Watercool will be available this month.   they usually follow through with what they promise for timelines.   

i plan on buying two of those... as long as i can get an NVLink that will work as 3 slot.

i did order two of the optimus blocks, but like you said, they might not arrive until 2032.  /shrug.
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/02 11:05:37 (permalink)
 think it would be choked for air?  lmao   
 
 

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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/02 11:06:44 (permalink)

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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/13 05:29:23 (permalink)
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Do you plan in getting and testing a6000 bridge on your cards, if so could you report back here if it works or not?
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/13 05:30:26 (permalink)
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Maybe I'm missing something but for the people clamoring for the 3 slot SLI bridge, are you all planning to do a water cooling loop?  Just curious because at 2.75 slots, a 3-slot SLI is effectively going to kill the top GPU due to lack of air flow of almost any kind and taking in the heat from the backplate of the GPU below it.  My understanding for the 4 slot bridge requirement is to make sure there is airflow between the cards as shipped with a few exceptions.  I honestly don't think any other AIB manufacturer is making a 3 slot bridge anyways specifically labeled for the 3090 series (I could be wrong though on that part). 


Yes i plan to watercool
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/13 05:33:49 (permalink)
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No plans for 3 slot at this time.



This is one of the stupidest decisions EVGA ever made.  Most motherboards are 3 slot spacing.  There are very few motherboards that support 4 slot spacing.  It almost makes me think that EVGA didn't even bother looking at what spacing motherboards use before deciding on what slot spacing to release first.  


I agree, there are only few motherboards that can have 4 slot spacing, most of them are 3 slot
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/13 05:36:01 (permalink)
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Hi! Nvidia technical support confirmed that RTX A6000 NVLINK bridges (2-slot an 3-slot) will be compatible with RTX 3090, same like RTX 6000/8000 were compatible with RTX 2080/2080 Ti.


I just asked them myself just in case and they said it wont work cause 3090 is bigger card, idk what to think now....


That makes no sense, doesn't matter how big the card is they all have the same nvlink connection. It's all spacing between the cards.

I think Nvidia means because the card is a 3-slot card, it's too big for the other NVLink's to work.  The only way you'd be able to make that happen is if you use waterblocks on at least 1 card to get it down to 2 or 3 slot to make the other links work.  
Another thing everyone has to remember is that you have to have the exact same 3090 card as well.  The location of the connector is not standardized so it's just all messed up. 




I plan to watecool and have two same cards so i really hope a6000 bridge will works..... Unless nvidia disables it trough software
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/13 05:37:20 (permalink)
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Hi! Nvidia technical support confirmed that RTX A6000 NVLINK bridges (2-slot an 3-slot) will be compatible with RTX 3090, same like RTX 6000/8000 were compatible with RTX 2080/2080 Ti.


I just asked them myself just in case and they said it wont work cause 3090 is bigger card, idk what to think now....


That makes no sense, doesn't matter how big the card is they all have the same nvlink connection. It's all spacing between the cards.



Connector is the same but we do not yet know if pinout is the same or if it is maybe limited by software
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/13 05:39:01 (permalink)
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No plans for 3 slot at this time.




No plans at this time, but what about in future?
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/13 07:50:38 (permalink)
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I agree, there are only few motherboards that can have 4 slot spacing, most of them are 3 slot


All X99/x299 and ThreadRipper boards are 4 slot, except for the mATX versions.

I am betting this is an NVidia decision which is why none of the AIB’s are supporting 3 slot.
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/13 08:52:47 (permalink)
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I agree, there are only few motherboards that can have 4 slot spacing, most of them are 3 slot


All X99/x299 and ThreadRipper boards are 4 slot, except for the mATX versions.

I am betting this is an NVidia decision which is why none of the AIB’s are supporting 3 slot.


No they are not, there are a few 3 slot board's, my zenith ii extreme is 3 slot for thread ripper CPUs




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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/16 05:11:49 (permalink)
only 4 slot now
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/16 06:21:45 (permalink)
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I am betting this is an NVidia decision which is why none of the AIB’s are supporting 3 slot.

probably. Any corporate/institutional client cannot purchase 3000 series cards (NVIDIA wont sell to them). It cuts into their DGX and machine learning cards.
 
NVLINK 3 seems to be a great advantage because it allows for pooled memory (and larger ML models to be developed).
Of course, NVIDIA wants you to PAY THROUGH THE NOSE for it.

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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/16 11:44:33 (permalink)
so.. i contacted NVidia with the a6000's being released.  their tech support says that the NVLink Bridge will NOT work with the 3090s... so... looks like im going to sell one of my 3090s and will NOT be purchasing from EVGA again. 
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/16 11:46:07 (permalink)
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No plans for 3 slot at this time.




 
i won't be purchasing from EVGA any longer due to this idiotic decision of not making a 3 Slot NV Link available for purchase.. back to ASUS for me. 
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/18 11:17:08 (permalink)
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No plans for 3 slot at this time.




 
i won't be purchasing from EVGA any longer due to this idiotic decision of not making a 3 Slot NV Link available for purchase.. back to ASUS for me. 




i wish EVGA cared about this.  i get ya, but they dont care one bit.   
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/22 16:29:06 (permalink)
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so.. i contacted NVidia with the a6000's being released.  their tech support says that the NVLink Bridge will NOT work with the 3090s... so... looks like im going to sell one of my 3090s and will NOT be purchasing from EVGA again. 




 
I contacted them again too and this time they said that a6000 bridge is too small for the card but when i explained them that previous quadro bridges worked with geforce cards and that i plan on using watercooling so the size doesnt matter they said that it whould work so if i were you i would hold off on selling the card until the bridges come out so SLI can be tested in case it really works
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/22 16:39:28 (permalink)
Seems like nvidia is giving different answers to different people, i know few people who were told by nvidia that a6000 bridge will work with 3090 as long as it can fit the card and cooler isnt in the way which shouldnt be problem when you watercool
And some people were told that it wont work due to size, which again i think will be solved by waterblocks, i guess we wont know until someone tests it.....
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/29 10:23:41 (permalink)
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Seems like nvidia is giving different answers to different people, i know few people who were told by nvidia that a6000 bridge will work with 3090 as long as it can fit the card and cooler isnt in the way which shouldnt be problem when you watercool
And some people were told that it wont work due to size, which again i think will be solved by waterblocks, i guess we wont know until someone tests it.....




i'm getting the same sense about this.   i picked up the aorus 4 slot nvlink and am going to try and disassemble it to hopefully find a ribbon inside and maybe use as a 3 slot.. lol.  desperate times call for desperate measures.   

looks like the 6800xt and 6900xt's crossfire.   might switch to AMD due to this.  if i can get my hands on a couple of the 6800xt's in particular, i'm going to buy them and compare to a single 3090 in game performance.   if they do better, for less, i think it'll make the decision very easy to go away from NVidia based GPUs.    pretty unhappy with the stupidity in not supplying 3 slot nvlinks. 
post edited by kshafe777 - 2020/12/29 10:45:38
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/29 12:41:50 (permalink)
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Seems like nvidia is giving different answers to different people, i know few people who were told by nvidia that a6000 bridge will work with 3090 as long as it can fit the card and cooler isnt in the way which shouldnt be problem when you watercool
And some people were told that it wont work due to size, which again i think will be solved by waterblocks, i guess we wont know until someone tests it.....




i'm getting the same sense about this.   i picked up the aorus 4 slot nvlink and am going to try and disassemble it to hopefully find a ribbon inside and maybe use as a 3 slot.. lol.  desperate times call for desperate measures.   

looks like the 6800xt and 6900xt's crossfire.   might switch to AMD due to this.  if i can get my hands on a couple of the 6800xt's in particular, i'm going to buy them and compare to a single 3090 in game performance.   if they do better, for less, i think it'll make the decision very easy to go away from NVidia based GPUs.    pretty unhappy with the stupidity in not supplying 3 slot nvlinks. 


Please let us know if  its a ribbon that can be used as 3 slot. Thanks.
 
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Re: RTX 3090 NVLINK bridge 2020/12/29 14:01:14 (permalink)
Being that no one offers a 3 slot bridge I’m pretty sure everyone uses the internals of the nvidia bridge and puts their own spin on it with the housing. Saying that you’re never buying from evga doesn’t make sense if there’s not a single company making 3 slot bridges.

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