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2019/04/18 21:09:18 (permalink)
Hi guys,
just last week i bought hydro copper block to finish my custom loop and put it together like couple days ago and now i am surprised, the temp is the same just like with the fan around high 65c under load on heaven for only 15 minute. I believe the temp should be around low 50c under load ( even my 1080 with EK block stay around 45c under load on heaven).
I did try to reseat them again to make sure that the gpu dye has contact with cold plate ... boy i am shocked... its barely touching the cold plate but all the ram and vram has good contact with thermal pad. 
my question is the gpu bracket blocking the contact with the cold plate? if it does why evga made the bracket instead screw stand off ? i believed by making the gpu stand off on the block it will make pcb closer to the cold plate by screwing the screw. Or should i take off the bracket see how it goes? please guys i heard some of you guys maybe had some problem like me before and how you fix it. thanks guys
 
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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/18 22:44:34 (permalink)
Make sure the screws for the bracket are not too long to were they are protruding past the plate on the die side to where it may be hitting the block and preventing it from seating.

There was a guy or 2 reporting the screws for the bracket were too long.

It's all theories right now why some have a seating issue. No one has come back on here and said.. yes this was the problem!

Ideas may be that the block tolerances are off.. meaning needing thinner thermal pads so the block will seat lower to make contact with the gpu.. who knows.

Maybe squishing in the thermal pads first before installing the block will help the GPU contact?

Dont touch the pads with your fingers.. put some seranwrap over your finger and smash in the pads first maybe to make them thinner.

Also make sure when you install the block to use enough paste on the GPU. The excess will just be squeezed out so no biggy. Atleast there will be contact.. another member that had this issue claimed better temps are adding alot more paste.

Also start with the 4 main screws around the GPU die when you put the block on to help get a nice flat contact.. then work your way out to the areas out from the GPU to the memory.. then do the rest of the block down to the end and then do the i/o bracket last.

The GPU bracket is there to make sure the pcb dont flex around the GPU die. It's not in the way of the contact and should not make contact with the GPU block nor prevent a flat contact with the GPU.

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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/19 06:40:48 (permalink)
Just make sure you put the gpu bracket with black side towards the PCB to prevent shorting, make sure you get the screws good and tight all the way around and use good thermal paste. I usually tighten mine all the way down, then loosen and remove block to make sure good thermal paste contact and look at the indentations on the thermal strips to make sure good contact all the way around. If so you have made sure all is good and then when you put it back on you have already pressed the thermal pads once and chances are the second time they will tighten slightly more for better contact yet.

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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/19 13:34:58 (permalink)
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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/19 13:39:17 (permalink)
Want to do one better.. place your finger in a plastic sandwich bag and place a small dot of thermal paste on ea memory chip. Now rub in the paste on the memory chips filling in all the voids in the texture of the chips. Just a very thin layer just to fill the voids.. will turn the chip a light grey color.

Then place the thermal pads on top of the memory chips.

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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/19 19:22:38 (permalink)
thanks guys ,i will do everything that you recommended on sunday btw i peel the black tape on gpu bracket (yikes i wish i know not to peel that off) and will experiment with all the 16 screw that come with the block
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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/19 19:32:28 (permalink)
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Want to do one better.. place your finger in a plastic sandwich bag and place a small dot of thermal paste on ea memory chip. Now rub in the paste on the memory chips filling in all the voids in the texture of the chips. Just a very thin layer just to fill the voids.. will turn the chip a light grey color.

Then place the thermal pads on top of the memory chips.

This is a terrible idea. You are basically telling him to insulate the memory chips. having the least amount of thermal conductor to travel through is the most ideal situation. It is completely unnecessary and unadvised to use thermal paste and then thermal pads on anything including memory chips. Even if you "think" you are just filling any voids in the texture of memory chip. The thermal pad is more than flexible enough to conform to the memory chips and fill any voids that may be present. All you are doing is creating another medium for heat to travel through and thus lowering thermal conductivity. 
 
Use one or the other, thermal pads or thermal paste, never both. 

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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/19 20:33:52 (permalink)
This is old school tip that's always worked.

EK even recommends doing that.

My memory temps and overclock speak for themselves.

Low 20-30s max and 8450mhz.

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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/19 20:37:13 (permalink)
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This is old school tip that's always worked.

EK even recommends doing that.

My memory temps and overclock speak for themselves.

Low 20-30s max and 8450mhz.

This is old school misinformation. Clearly you don't know how thermodynamics work or you wouldn't be trying to defend such a pointless recommendation you incorrectly made. 

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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/19 20:50:42 (permalink)
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This is old school tip that's always worked.

EK even recommends doing that.

My memory temps and overclock speak for themselves.

Low 20-30s max and 8450mhz.

This is old school misinformation. Clearly you don't know how thermodynamics work or you wouldn't be trying to defend such a pointless recommendation you incorrectly made. 


I've removed many of coolers and block from a graphics card and I dont ever remember seeing a texture imprint left behind on a thermal pad.

Your basically filling the voids in the texture making the chip flat so theirs more surface to transfer the heat.

I mean have ya looked up close at a memory chip lately under a loop? Theirs more divots then the moon!

Idle and load temps!






So I should pull my card cause I might see even lower memory temps?

And I was even too lazy to go upstairs and grab a baggy. I used a plastic thermal paste spreader and just kept scraping the paste across the chips to spread it in! Lol
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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/19 21:09:02 (permalink)
Are you seriously asking me if I’ve seen a memory chip up close? Clearly you don’t know who you’re talking to but suffice to say I’ve been in this game for quite a long time.

You aren’t filling anything with thermal paste on the memory chips. All you are doing is adding more layers for heat to travel through and lowering the thermal conductivity. The small surface imperfections on a memory chip are filled by the thermal pad when you fasten down the cooler and the pad compresses. Same way thermal grease works. Furthermore the thermal paste you think you’re filling the voids with can just be displaced by the thermal pad when you compress it when you fasten the cooler down.

The less mediums heat has to transfer through the more efficient the cooling solution will become. This is a fact. It has never been advised to use both thermal pads and thermal paste at the same time. One or the other, never both.


EDIT. I don’t care what your temps are. Do you really think that just you are right when virtually everyone recommends not usIng both thermal pads and thermal paste at the same time? Can you seriously be this delusional?
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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/19 21:27:13 (permalink)
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Are you seriously asking me if I’ve seen a memory chip up close? Clearly you don’t know who you’re talking to but suffice to say I’ve been in this game for quite a long time.

You aren’t filling anything with thermal paste on the memory chips. All you are doing is adding more layers for heat to travel through and lowering the thermal conductivity. The small surface imperfections on a memory chip are filled by the thermal pad when you fasten down the cooler and the pad compresses. Same way thermal grease works. Furthermore the thermal paste you think you’re filling the voids with can just be displaced by the thermal pad when you compress it when you fasten the cooler down.

The less mediums heat has to transfer through the more efficient the cooling solution will become. This is a fact. It has never been advised to use both thermal pads and thermal paste at the same time. One or the other, never both.


EDIT. I don’t care what your temps are. Do you really think that just you are right when virtually everyone recommends not usIng both thermal pads and thermal paste at the same time? Can you seriously be this delusional?


You got your opinion and I have mine.. I've been at it for 25 years.. think I've done pretty good heh.

Your attaching my opinion and I have e a right to defend it so.. have a great night!

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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/19 21:35:11 (permalink)
What I’m stating isn’t an opinion, it’s a scientific fact. You want to defend being wrong by trying to pass it off as “old school”? Whatever blows your hair back I guess......

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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/19 21:41:09 (permalink)
ahowes how you showed all the temp ( memory, gpu, vram ) on evga x1? thanks
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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/19 22:08:17 (permalink)
It's true you shouldn't use both pads and paste.  You're adding more thermal resistance.  It's best to only use paste on the CPU/GPU die and pads on everything else so it's not a hot mess.

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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/19 23:21:44 (permalink)
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ahowes how you showed all the temp ( memory, gpu, vram ) on evga x1? thanks




You open PX1 and hit the ICX button at the bottom right corner. You need to have a card that has the sensors for the temps.
 
Just got done playing 2+ hours of BF5 online max server.. man those memory temps got all the way up to 35c! Room temp of 72.  Crap, I might have to pull the card off the loop and remove the block and clean off that paste on the mem chips.

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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/19 23:37:03 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby flie 2019/04/20 20:17:23
I'm seeing the exact same temperature (65C load) since installing this block on a 2080 TI Black Edition. I installed the bracket black side facing the PCB.

Update: After draining the loop, and re-applying thermal compound my temperatures are better (56C load) and power consumption is more consistent. I switched from Thermal Grizzly to Noctua NT-H1 and was generous this time with the amount compound I used; going with the X approach instead of just a pea-sized amount or using the thermal grizzly spreader. I kept the bracket black-side down, with the little "feet" away from the PCB, and when tightening the heat-sink I started from the center of the block and worked my way out with the rest of the screws.

It can be a pain to drain the loop, but it's well worth the hassle to get things right, I hope you have the same luck with your temps!
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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/20 20:26:59 (permalink)
thanks for sharing crypto, but my quess,  with custom loop our temp shouldnt be high 50c. before my 1080 with ek only get high 40c load and i only have the same loop from res...cpu...gpu...rad...back to res .The only different is rtx 2080 ultra xc with hydro copper block. tomorrow i gonna open it again try to reseat the block  and experimenting with all screw that come with it ...hopefully it will cure the problem
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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/20 20:29:08 (permalink)
oopss sorry from res...rad...cpu..gpu..res 
 
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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/20 20:34:03 (permalink)
res...rad...cpu..gpu..res 
res...rad...cpu..rad..gpu
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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/20 23:33:34 (permalink)
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thanks for sharing crypto, but my quess,  with custom loop our temp shouldnt be high 50c. before my 1080 with ek only get high 40c load and i only have the same loop from res...cpu...gpu...rad...back to res .The only different is rtx 2080 ultra xc with hydro copper block. tomorrow i gonna open it again try to reseat the block  and experimenting with all screw that come with it ...hopefully it will cure the problem




Your temps wouldn't be the same because the GTX 1080 has a TDP of 180w while the 2080 has a TDP of 215w.  Not a massive difference but again that means your temps wouldn't be the same as before.

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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/21 08:11:31 (permalink)
These cards do seem to run hot, any idea what your ambient and water temps are?

In Precision X1 using the OC scanner tool I was able to hit +218 core and consistently hold 2050-2070mhz, 112% power target, temps peaked at 68c, my water temps were 38-39c and ambient around 25c. The cards pulling 288watts at peak. My fan curve is based on water temps so at this temp I’m running 6 fans at 1400-1500rpm, I haven’t tested with fans running full blast since the sound is equivalent to a Semi-Truck roaring by.

Take away being, while we’re not seeing super low temperatures, if your card can hold high clocks and also draw power consistently, I’d call it at win.
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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/21 10:36:26 (permalink)
Yep! 10°C-14°C Higher Air or Water then the older GTX Cards.

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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/21 11:54:53 (permalink)
after i reseat them again now max temp on heaven after 20 min is 60c sometime dip to 58c. so is it about right temp these card running hotter then gtx?
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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/21 12:36:33 (permalink)
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after i reseat them again now max temp on heaven after 20 min is 60c sometime dip to 58c. so is it about right temp these card running hotter then gtx?




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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/21 16:31:50 (permalink)
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after i reseat them again now max temp on heaven after 20 min is 60c sometime dip to 58c. so is it about right temp these card running hotter then gtx?

I still think that is hotter than it should be. 48°C-55°C Max
Poor Coolant Flow Rate or not enough Radiator space to remove the heat.
One 4x120mm Radiator or Two (2 or 3) x120mm Radiators
I would go Reservoir&Pump  > (2 or 3)x120mm Radiator > CPU > (2 or 3)x120mm Radiator GPU back to Reservoir&Pump in a Push/Pull Setup.
Radiator, 2x120mm Fans, 54mm Thick, 30-FPI Copper and Radiator, 3x120mm Fans, 54mm Thick, 30-FPI Copper
Radiator, 4x120mm 30-FPI Copper But wish this one was 54mm Thick.
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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/21 18:28:57 (permalink)
thanks bcav for your input, i think that's the problem " poor flow rate ". i think it's time to buy new d5 pump.
i am using 1 XSPC EX 480 rad on my core p90 case and just to cool off  cpu and gpu only 
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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/21 18:47:12 (permalink)
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thanks bcav for your input, i think that's the problem " poor flow rate ". i think it's time to buy new d5 pump.
i am using 1 XSPC EX 480 rad on my core p90 case and just to cool off  cpu and gpu only 




For that case and that much rad, you should be fine unless of course air flow on rad and flow is low.  That could improve your temps a bit and just work with that.  Possibly adding a flow meter letting you know where you're at would be a good addition as well but not needed.  You'll want to be in the 1.0-1.5 GPM for a efficient flowing loop.  I run my complex loop at 1.0 GPM with my dual D5 pumps in serial @ a constant 95% for perspective.  I have too many bends. lol

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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/21 20:54:26 (permalink)
flie
thanks bcav for your input, i think that's the problem " poor flow rate ". i think it's time to buy new d5 pump.
i am using 1 XSPC EX 480 rad on my core p90 case and just to cool off  cpu and gpu only 

I added a second Pump and rad in my Loop to cool two of my cards until I can install a better Pump and better rad.
 
This without the added Pump.
I hope to have the rest of my parts by the end of April or Mid May.

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Re: RTX 2080 xc ultra with hydro copper temp med high...help 2019/04/22 22:28:41 (permalink)
what case u got there bcavnaugh? that look sick
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