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The UK Government plans to ban the sale of Petrol and Diesel cards in 2030, which means that they need to start encouraging consumers to purchase electric vehicles over their fossil-fueled equivalents. In 2022, new homes in England will be forced by law to feature electric vehicle charging points, helping to encourage the adoption of electric vehicles. New supermarkets and workplaces will also be required to feature vehicle charging infrastructure, as will all buildings undergoing major renovations. 

At this week's Confederation of British Industry conference, Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced the change stating that the UK will "radically" change its cars, buses and other modes of transport. By forcing the adoption of electric vehicle infrastructure, the government hopes to push for more consumers to purchase electric vehicles, allowing them to meet their emissions targets and combat climate change. 

Several major car manufacturers plan to go all-electric in 2025, including manufacturers like Jaguar and Volvo. Ford also plans to go all-electric in Europe by 2030. With many nations planning to ban the sale of diesel and petrol vehicles by 2030, Ford's electric vehicle ambitions are a lot less progressive than their peers. Currently, 10% of car sales in the UK are for electric vehicles, which means the nation has a long way to go before electric cars become more popular than their fossil-fuel filled counterparts. 
 
Looks like the UK is very serious about phasing out gasoline and diesel powered automobiles. 

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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/24 04:51:36 (permalink)
    It will be interesting to see if the 2030 date gets slipped particularly with political changes in the government.


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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/24 05:59:14 (permalink)
    I like the move..politics aside...we need to start making moves to help the environment. 

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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/24 06:07:41 (permalink)
    Heaven forbid freedom be allowed, right?
    Bob, I don't. You're being dictated to and you like it? Nope.
     

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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/24 06:09:00 (permalink)
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    I like the move..politics aside...we need to start making moves to help the environment. 


    We can start by making the production electric cars better for the environment, mining for rare earth metals in 3rd world countries with little to no concern for the environment is not good. And making the battery's? yeah that's not all that good ether more so in the coming years when we start to see the need for replacements and 3rd party factory's spring up over seas were once more there is little to no environmental protection. Also charging a car with power from a coal plant does not fix the problem.
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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/24 06:55:02 (permalink)
    A much needed move. Hopefully other countries will do the same. 

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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/24 06:59:11 (permalink)
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    A much needed move. Hopefully other countries will do the same. 


    They need to mandate 220v services in garages too lol.
    Anyway hopefully its just a start, the whole supply line for electric cars needs fixed if this is being done with the environment in mind.
     


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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/24 15:19:08 (permalink)
    Building codes like this are completely ridiculous.  Electrical grids can't even handle bitcoin mining at scale but they're ready to convert all vehicle mileage to electricity?  Get real
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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/24 23:00:53 (permalink)
     
    I wonder if they'll also start a toxic waste dump on every block for all the used and unrecyclable batteries that will be getting dumped in about 10 years time. Better figure out how they're going to get all the rare metals that are needed to make those batteries as well, and while they're at it, better figure out how all the electricity is going to be generated to charge all these cars. 
     
     

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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/24 23:19:50 (permalink)
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    I wonder if they'll also start a toxic waste dump on every block for all the used and unrecyclable batteries that will be getting dumped in about 10 years time. Better figure out how they're going to get all the rare metals that are needed to make those batteries as well, and while they're at it, better figure out how all the electricity is going to be generated to charge all these cars. 
     
     




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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/24 23:39:02 (permalink)
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    I wonder if they'll also start a toxic waste dump on every block for all the used and unrecyclable batteries that will be getting dumped in about 10 years time. Better figure out how they're going to get all the rare metals that are needed to make those batteries as well, and while they're at it, better figure out how all the electricity is going to be generated to charge all these cars. 

    Don't worry, Scientist and researchers around the globe are already working on solutions for the difficulties of battery recycling.
    This is a good read: https://www.science.org/c...ens-all-dead-batteries

    I read it, thanks. Not entirely encouraging imho - if anything, I'm even more concerned than I was before I read it, lol. Perhaps they'd be better focusing a lot of those scientists and researchers on making more efficient batteries, and figuring out the infrastructure to support an all-electric vehicle state first, rather than just jumping ahead with forced implementation of EV without addressing all the direct and indirect consequences. The green 'medicine' that is EV may end up worse than the 'sickness' it was supposed to address, particularly the way it is being barrelled ahead without any real concern to consequences... but hey, politicians can tell everyone how "green" they are by supporting it, and get more votes and thus MOAR POWAH, which is all that really matters to them. When the crap hits the fan in a couple of decades, they aren't going to care, and if any of them are still in power, you can guarantee they've already lined up their scapegoats.
     
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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/25 00:00:56 (permalink)
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    I wonder if they'll also start a toxic waste dump on every block for all the used and unrecyclable batteries that will be getting dumped in about 10 years time. Better figure out how they're going to get all the rare metals that are needed to make those batteries as well, and while they're at it, better figure out how all the electricity is going to be generated to charge all these cars. 

    Don't worry, Scientist and researchers around the globe are already working on solutions for the difficulties of battery recycling.
    This is a good read: https://www.science.org/c...ens-all-dead-batteries

    I read it, thanks. Not entirely encouraging imho - if anything, I'm even more concerned than I was before I read it, lol. Perhaps they'd be better focusing a lot of those scientists and researchers on making more efficient batteries, and figuring out the infrastructure to support an all-electric vehicle state first, rather than just jumping ahead with forced implementation of EV without addressing all the direct and indirect consequences. The green 'medicine' that is EV may end up worse than the 'sickness' it was supposed to address, particularly the way it is being barrelled ahead without any real concern to consequences... but hey, politicians can tell everyone how "green" they are by supporting it, and get more votes and thus MOAR POWAH, which is all that really matters to them. When the crap hits the fan in a couple of decades, they aren't going to care, and if any of them are still in power, you can guarantee they've already lined up their scapegoats.
     




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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/25 00:07:11 (permalink)
     
    Maybe next they will require windmills in everyone's back yard. Good luck when there's no wind.  LOL!    :P

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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/25 00:09:14 (permalink)
    Changes are needed and eventually fossil fuels will run out. 

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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/25 01:32:24 (permalink)
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    I wonder if they'll also start a toxic waste dump on every block for all the used and unrecyclable batteries that will be getting dumped in about 10 years time. Better figure out how they're going to get all the rare metals that are needed to make those batteries as well, and while they're at it, better figure out how all the electricity is going to be generated to charge all these cars. 

    Don't worry, Scientist and researchers around the globe are already working on solutions for the difficulties of battery recycling.
    This is a good read: https://www.science.org/c...ens-all-dead-batteries

    I read it, thanks. Not entirely encouraging imho - if anything, I'm even more concerned than I was before I read it, lol. Perhaps they'd be better focusing a lot of those scientists and researchers on making more efficient batteries, and figuring out the infrastructure to support an all-electric vehicle state first, rather than just jumping ahead with forced implementation of EV without addressing all the direct and indirect consequences. The green 'medicine' that is EV may end up worse than the 'sickness' it was supposed to address, particularly the way it is being barrelled ahead without any real concern to consequences... but hey, politicians can tell everyone how "green" they are by supporting it, and get more votes and thus MOAR POWAH, which is all that really matters to them. When the crap hits the fan in a couple of decades, they aren't going to care, and if any of them are still in power, you can guarantee they've already lined up their scapegoats.

    Future generations are depending on what we do today, and our children are worth the effort. You shouldn't be so negative. 

    LOL, that is exactly why we should be negative about the way this is being handled.
     

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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/25 10:34:55 (permalink)
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    I wonder if they'll also start a toxic waste dump on every block for all the used and unrecyclable batteries that will be getting dumped in about 10 years time. Better figure out how they're going to get all the rare metals that are needed to make those batteries as well, and while they're at it, better figure out how all the electricity is going to be generated to charge all these cars. 
     
     
    Remember also that taxes assessed on a liter or gallon of gasoline sales don’t exist on consumer electricity. How long until kWh rates explode because of a shift in energy demand? Should be interesting to watch.

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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/25 11:06:09 (permalink)
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    I wonder if they'll also start a toxic waste dump on every block for all the used and unrecyclable batteries that will be getting dumped in about 10 years time. Better figure out how they're going to get all the rare metals that are needed to make those batteries as well, and while they're at it, better figure out how all the electricity is going to be generated to charge all these cars. 
     
     
    Remember also that taxes assessed on a liter or gallon of gasoline sales don’t exist on consumer electricity. How long until kWh rates explode because of a shift in energy demand? Should be interesting to watch.

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    I hear allot of speculation and guesswork from opponents of clean energy.  It's all nonsense. With every problem or obstacle that arises, there is a solution. 

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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/25 11:15:34 (permalink)
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    I wonder if they'll also start a toxic waste dump on every block for all the used and unrecyclable batteries that will be getting dumped in about 10 years time. Better figure out how they're going to get all the rare metals that are needed to make those batteries as well, and while they're at it, better figure out how all the electricity is going to be generated to charge all these cars. 
    Remember also that taxes assessed on a liter or gallon of gasoline sales don’t exist on consumer electricity. How long until kWh rates explode because of a shift in energy demand? Should be interesting to watch.

    This is what happens when the butt gets out in front of the head

    I hear allot of speculation and guesswork from opponents of clean energy.  It's all nonsense. With every problem or obstacle that arises, there is a solution. 

    I can't speak for anyone else, but I am certainly not an opponent to clean energy! The issues mentioned ARE real, definitely not 'nonsense', and yes eventually I would hope solutions would be found, but hope itself is not a solution, that's why you don't implement these changes so dramatically without first being able to address all the associated ramifications, or you may well end up in a worse place than where you started. Find the solutions to direct and indirect consequences first, then implement. Hell, that's just common sense. Rushing in to something this major without considering all angles is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. Kicking the can down the road and saying "we'll cross those bridges when we get to them" is EXACTLY how we got into the current issues in the first place!
     

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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/25 12:28:01 (permalink)
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    I wonder if they'll also start a toxic waste dump on every block for all the used and unrecyclable batteries that will be getting dumped in about 10 years time. Better figure out how they're going to get all the rare metals that are needed to make those batteries as well, and while they're at it, better figure out how all the electricity is going to be generated to charge all these cars. 
    Remember also that taxes assessed on a liter or gallon of gasoline sales don’t exist on consumer electricity. How long until kWh rates explode because of a shift in energy demand? Should be interesting to watch.

    This is what happens when the butt gets out in front of the head

    I hear allot of speculation and guesswork from opponents of clean energy.  It's all nonsense. With every problem or obstacle that arises, there is a solution. 

    I can't speak for anyone else, but I am certainly not an opponent to clean energy! The issues mentioned ARE real, definitely not 'nonsense', and yes eventually I would hope solutions would be found, but hope itself is not a solution, that's why you don't implement these changes so dramatically without first being able to address all the associated ramifications, or you may well end up in a worse place than where you started. Find the solutions to direct and indirect consequences first, then implement. Hell, that's just common sense. Rushing in to something this major without considering all angles is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. Kicking the can down the road and saying "we'll cross those bridges when we get to them" is EXACTLY how we got into the current issues in the first place!
     




    10 years is not actually rushing. The time frame is enough to iron out the major kinks that will arise.

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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/25 12:44:08 (permalink)
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    Building codes like this are completely ridiculous.  Electrical grids can't even handle bitcoin mining at scale but they're ready to convert all vehicle mileage to electricity?  Get real


    I think the UK electric grid can handle the changes. 

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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/26 07:43:48 (permalink)
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    Building codes like this are completely ridiculous.  Electrical grids can't even handle bitcoin mining at scale but they're ready to convert all vehicle mileage to electricity?  Get real


    I think the UK electric grid can handle the changes. 

    Maybe.  What makes the electrical argument a head scratcher for me is the end game implementation of cost assuming everything else is executed perfectly.  At this time, electrical vehicles are effectively subsidized by a lack of tax.  So clearly, the taxes on electricity have to go up to the extent materially large demand for petrol is exchanged for electricity or there will be major shortfalls in infrastructure spend.  That means there will have to be a two tier electrical meter in order to quantify electricity usage fairly: one for vehicle usage and one for non-vehicle usage.  Gas has a much higher cost per KWH than home electricity KWH.  If you don't go two tier, rates per kwh of electricity will be going up to the extent that vehicle usage is converted to the new blend of electricity vs petrol.  Regardless, until then, electric users continue to enjoy the subsidy on usage and the subsidy on purchase price.
     
    The real fudge factor is the grid scale part.  The UK will have to double the size of its electrical grid by 2030.  Its almost 2022.  The UK has 8 years to build 400-500 billion kwh worth of renewable energy sources to support a total conversion of vehicles to petrol.  I would love to understand how even a fraction of that is going to happen.
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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/11/26 16:11:56 (permalink)
    bobmitch
    I like the move..politics aside...we need to start making moves to help the environment. 


    Even politics aside, electric as it stands now produced a larger pollution footprint from the ground to the lot, not even considering the first battery change than a v8 from the ground though its whole life to the junk yard using gas. It is a fuzzy feel good feeling "I'm helping" when all your doing is just putting more pollution someplace else out of sight out of mind. Then you have the grid problem, Musk has said it himself there is no grid on earth in any nation that can support every citizen to have an electric car. As it stands right now EV's are anything but clean.

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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/12/03 16:07:10 (permalink)
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    I hear allot of speculation and guesswork from opponents of clean energy.  It's all nonsense. With every problem or obstacle that arises, there is a solution. 



    Agreed!
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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/12/03 16:17:38 (permalink)
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    I hear allot of speculation and guesswork from opponents of clean energy.  It's all nonsense. With every problem or obstacle that arises, there is a solution. 

    Agreed!

    Great, so come up with the solutions before implementing and creating a problem! That would make sense, right?
     

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    Re: New Homes in England will be forced to feature electric car chargers from 2022 onwards 2021/12/03 16:35:28 (permalink)
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    I hear allot of speculation and guesswork from opponents of clean energy.  It's all nonsense. With every problem or obstacle that arises, there is a solution. 

    Agreed!

    Great, so come up with the solutions before implementing and creating a problem! That would make sense, right?
     




    What makes sense is laying the foundation for electric vehicles now. 
    Financially, it makes more sense to find solutions to problems "as they arise." Not before.
    Myself, I have never bought a brand new vehicle, so I would think that this transition will be much more gradual than you think. 

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